Infinite Speed in Genshin Impact? No way bro.

[MSahla]

Trying something that people might think its ridiculous for a verse like Genshin Impact.

The Genshin Impact community has been excited about the Drip Marketing Skirk that was just announced by Hoyoverse a few hours ago. In that Drip Marketing, there it says:
"venturing out into the universe and down into the abyss are the same—"
"In that both are braving the dark unknown."

So basically from this quotes, anyone who ventured into the Abyss is the same as traveling the Universe.

Forbidden Knowledge
what is the Forbidden Knowledge? Forbidden Knowledge, also referred to as the Apocalypse, is a form of knowledge that does not belong to Teyvat. It is a form of "truth" that cannot be understood and is constantly rejected by the world. Because of its alien nature, this knowledge has ill effects on objects and living creatures alike.

The Forbidden Knowledge is coming from The Very Bottom of the Abyss said by the Greater Lord Rukkhadevata that even she who's the God of Wisdom cannot even understand about this Knowledge. The Forbidden knowledge was first introduced by the Dragon King Nibelung when he Descended from beyond the world and fight against the Heavenly Principles and ended up Being killed.

Now lets start the main point.
As we know from that quotes from Skirk's Drip Marketing that basically saying venturing into the Abyss and the Universe is the same.

The Abyss is stated to have Endless Possibilities in Childe Character Story when he fell into the Abyss, so from this we know that the Abyss or the Void Realm is a Dark Universe that located Beyond and Beneath the Human Realm (Teyvat), and it is described as an entirely different world from Teyvat.

The Universe is stated to have Endless Distance and Endless Worlds said by the Traveler himself who once Traveled through the Universe with his Sibling and the Abyss is stated to be The Dark Universe with Boundless Darkness within.

So we got 2 candidate here for having Infinite Speed named The Dragon King Nibelung and the Traveler by the feats:

1. The Traveler: Traveled through the Universe which he said theres Endless Distances and Endless Worlds.
2. Nibelung: Reached the Very Bottom of the Abyss that has Endless Possibilities and Endless Distances within it.

Notes: as for the Traveler, he will not be given the Infinite Speed directly but only for his Prime, so it would be "Possibly Infinite" for his Prime only.

If this can't be accepted as Infinite Speed just like that, then I suggest "Possibly Infinite Speed" instead.

If this is can be chainscaled, People who will scale to this Speed will be:
1. The Heavenly Principles, Phanes, the Primordial One.
2. The Four Shades (including Rhinedottir)
3. any Descenders.
4. Seven Dragon Sovereigns (fighting the four shades and phanes for 40 years)
5. The Five Sinners of Khaenri'ah (possibly including Skirk)


Agree: @Saqphire (Travel Speed), @Furina003, @FinePoint (Mod + Possibly Infinite Speed for Nibelung)

Neutral: @InfinityTurtleHD (Nibelung)

Hell nahh (Disagree): @BestMGQScalerEver & @InfinityTurtleHD (Traveler), @PedjaTarzan, @Giannysmag, @Weaver261, @Voidnether , @Puppet43, @Dog3352, @FinePoint (Mod + Traveler), @TheGreatJedi13, @Wonder_of_Fantasy, @Shey, @LephyrTheRevanchist (Mod), @Bsk_lyree, @Mr. Bambu (mod)

 

[Saqphire]

Following, but pre-emptively assuming this CRT is tried and true; how would this correlate to combat speed? These scans would simply imply travel speed here no?

 

[MSahla]

Following, but pre-emptively assuming this CRT is tried and true; how would this correlate to combat speed? These scans would simply imply travel speed here no?

Yeah.. I also think earlier that this is just Travel Speed but i think again like why not, lets just post this and lets see if its got accepted.

 

[Saqphire]

Yeah.. I also think earlier that this is just Travel Speed but i think again like why not, lets just post this and lets see if its got accepted.

Well again, if tried and true, you can kinda argue Lumine scaling to it in reaction speed via her asserting the infinite universe's size (implying she had to see and react to what's going on) which in turn would scale Ei to it since she blitzed her

 

[MSahla]

Well again, if tried and true, you can kinda argue Lumine scaling to it in reaction speed via her asserting the infinite universe's size (implying she had to see and react to what's going on) which in turn would scale Ei to it since she blitzed her

Well, that infinite travel speed is only for Prime Traveler with whatever his ability is.
Since Traveler's power got sealed by the Unknown God so Traveler in Teyvat doesn't have Infinite Speed in any categories of speed.

But what is "asserting the infinite universe's size" You're talking about here?

 

[Saqphire]

Well, that infinite travel speed is only for Prime Traveler with whatever his ability is.
Since Traveler's power got sealed by the Unknown God so Traveler in Teyvat doesn't have Infinite Speed in any categories of speed.

But what is "asserting the infinite universe's size" You're talking about here?

Ah then nvm. What I meant with that was the traveler simply makes the "infinite universe" statement for that scale to work

 

[MSahla]

Ah then nvm. What I meant with that was the traveler simply makes the "infinite universe" statement for that scale to work

Okay so whats your thoughts on this? Do you agree, disagree or neutral? And please give the reason

 

[Saqphire]

Okay so whats your thoughts on this? Do you agree, disagree or neutral? And please give the reason

I agree but for travel speed only, but I'm open to change my mind if something else comes up that scales someone's overall combat speed there

 

[MSahla]

I agree but for travel speed only, but I'm open to change my mind if something else comes up that scales someone's overall combat speed there

Thats fine.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Heavily disagree with traveler stuff. Traveling through the universe doesn't automatically mean traveling the entire distance of the universe and could also even mean going from a solar system to another or one galaxy to another.

 

[Furina003]

i agree with @Saqphire , but im have some argument, maybe this can get also combat speed.
The traveler stated that he had throught a universe that had endless distance and endless worlds.
Isn't it, when fighting with unknown god traveler uses the same way when he explores the universe? where he flies and moves from place to place to fight with unknown god, from here I think traveler not only gets travel speed but also gets combat speed, and this will scale to unknown god as well as all the characters mentioned by OP.

 

[InfinityTurtleHD]

For some clarification, does the original translation establish the 'endless distance and endless worlds' statement?

 

[MSahla]

Heavily disagree with traveler stuff. Traveling through the universe doesn't automatically mean traveling the entire distance of the universe and could also even mean going from a solar system to another or one galaxy to another.

Considering both of them have witnessed the endless worlds in their journey through the Universe, and even have witnessed The birth and death of a stars passed them by, They should have already traveled through most of the Universe.

 

[MSahla]

For some clarification, does the original translation establish the 'endless distance and endless worlds' statement?

Hmm thats hard to find the CN version of that liben event because its not like the Archon Quest and Story Quest who have the record of the story.

 

[MSahla]

Heavily disagree with traveler stuff. Traveling through the universe doesn't automatically mean traveling the entire distance of the universe and could also even mean going from a solar system to another or one galaxy to another.

Well about the Nibelung one?

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Considering both of them have witnessed the endless worlds in their journey through the Universe, and even have witnessed The birth and death of a stars passed them by, They should have already traveled through most of the Universe.

Knowing there's endless worlds doesn't equate to traveling to infinite worlds. This could've been known from offhand knowledge through traveling the universe or that they've been to so many worlds there doesn't seem to be an end to them. Seeing the birth and death of stars is a bit of a non sequitur for that.

 

[InfinityTurtleHD]

This may not change the outcome but the way the Traveller said it could well be speculation.

"Uh... Endless distance, and endless worlds."

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Well about the Nibelung one?

I don't think infinite sized abyss is particularly strong. Endless possibilities is just a way to mean a lot of things are possible in the abyss and not that it's necessarily infinite in size. I don't see any scans about it having endless distance like you said either.

 

[MSahla]

This may not change the outcome but the way the Traveller said it could well be speculation.

Its still reliable considering he once traveled through the universe so he should know whats going on out there.

 

[MSahla]

I don't think infinite sized abyss is particularly strong. Endless possibilities is just a way to mean a lot of things are possible in the abyss and not that it's necessarily infinite in size. I don't see any scans about it having endless distance like you said either.

Well, i already put a statement from Skirk's Drip Marketing that basically saying Venturing the abyss is the same as venturing the Universe, so Abyss = Universe itself, both have the same size

 

[Furina003]

For some clarification, does the original translation establish the 'endless distance and endless worlds' statement?

yeah, you can look this

 

[MSahla]

yeah, you can look this

This even confirmed theres infinite distances

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

Well, i already put a statement from Skirk's Drip Marketing that basically saying Venturing the abyss is the same as venturing the Universe, so Abyss = Universe itself, both have the same size

Don't think that's particularly strong either from what you've posted, since the comparison isn't in size but that you're braving or facing the unknown.

 

[Furina003]

This even confirmed theres infinite distances

yeah, this infinite statement has been stated many times, including the abyss being said to be an infinite abyss or infinite darkness, the abyss is also stated to be a dark universe. so it's very clear because it's consistent, I won't respond to any comments if it's just an assumption without feats that refute it, because it will only make this CRT difficult to be evaluated by staff. input my vote in agree section

 

[MSahla]

Don't think that's particularly strong either from what you've posted, since the comparison isn't in size but that you're braving or facing the unknown.

That quotes only shows travel speed because its "Venturing" So im not talking about size when i put that quotes.

After i provided the scan of the Universe having Infinite Size, then i connected it to that quotes from the drip marketing.

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

That quotes only shows travel speed because its "Venturing" So im not talking about size when i put that quotes.

After i provided the scan of the Universe having Infinite Size, then i connected it to that quotes from the drip marketing.

The quote is saying nothing about speed or size comparison but venturing into the unknown.

yeah, this infinite statement has been stated many times, including the abyss being said to be an infinite abyss or infinite darkness, the abyss is also stated to be a dark universe. so it's very clear because it's consistent, I won't respond to any comments if it's just an assumption without feats that refute it, because it will only make this CRT difficult to be evaluated by staff. input my vote in agree section

What says "dark universe" because the only thing I can find is "dark realm". Where's the scan of it being called an "infinite abyss"?

 

[InfinityTurtleHD]

I'm rather iffy about the Traveler having infinite speed since we don't know how far the Traveler went on their journey or a properly established timeframe during that trip as BestMGQScalerEver mentioned. The Traveler is mentioned to be centuries of years old, which means they've been travelling the universe for at least that time. I think it's better to give it some time so we learn more the Traveler's journey since there's a lot of backstory that's not uncovered.

 

[MSahla]

The quote is saying nothing about speed or size comparison but venturing into the unknown.

it only describes a little of the contents of the Universe and the Abyss that have Unknown Darkness, it's not you who venture into the unknown.

 

[MSahla]

I'm rather iffy about the Traveler having infinite speed since we don't know how far the Traveler went on their journey or a properly established timeframe during that trip as BestMGQScalerEver mentioned. The Traveler is mentioned to be centuries of years old, which means they've been travelling the universe for at least that time. I think it's better to give it some time so we learn more the Traveler's journey since there's a lot of backstory that's not uncovered.

So should i considered this as Diss or Neutral?

 

[Furina003]

What says "dark universe" because the only thing I can find is "dark realm". Where's the scan of it being called an "infinite abyss"?.

I don't know where you saw it, but the abyss is said to be boundless darkness and a dark universe

 

[FriendOfTheTeaParty]

I don't know where you saw it, but the abyss is said to be boundless darkness and a dark universe

then perhaps infinite nibelung might be appropriate. Don't think it'd just be travel speeds either since not being able to react to your own speed when you're literally infinite speed is rather ridiculous.

 

[InfinityTurtleHD]

So should i considered this as Diss or Neutral?

Disagree with Traveler speed, Neutral for everything else for now.

 

[MSahla]

Disagree with Traveler speed, Neutral for everything else for now.

Thoughts on Nibelung?

 

[Da3ggman]

No.

 

[MSahla]

No.

Any reason sir?

 

[InfinityTurtleHD]

Thoughts on Nibelung?

Also Neutral, I want to learn more of him in the game before reaching a conclusion on him.

 

[Furina003]

then perhaps infinite nibelung might be appropriate. Don't think it'd just be travel speeds either since not being able to react to your own speed when you're literally infinite speed is rather ridiculous.

Yes, the Nibelungs will gain infinite speed, as well as the heavenly principle for being able to defeat the Nibelung, sovereign and Shades will also be get it, because they participate in the fight.

but I think the traveler (Prime Condition) will also get it, as I explained before.

 

[Da3ggman]

Any reason sir?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Trying something that people might think its ridiculous for a verse like Genshin Impact.

The Genshin Impact community has been excited about the Drip Marketing Skirk that was just announced by Hoyoverse a few hours ago. In that Drip Marketing, there it says:
"venturing out into the universe and down into the abyss are the same—"
"In that both are braving the dark unknown."

So basically from this quotes, anyone who ventured into the Abyss is the same as traveling the Universe.

Forbidden Knowledge
what is the Forbidden Knowledge? Forbidden Knowledge, also referred to as the Apocalypse, is a form of knowledge that does not belong to Teyvat. It is a form of "truth" that cannot be understood and is constantly rejected by the world. Because of its alien nature, this knowledge has ill effects on objects and living creatures alike.

The Forbidden Knowledge is coming from The Very Bottom of the Abyss said by the Greater Lord Rukkhadevata that even she who's the God of Wisdom cannot even understand about this Knowledge. The Forbidden knowledge was first introduced by the Dragon King Nibelung when he Descended from beyond the world and fight against the Heavenly Principles and ended up Being killed.

Now lets start the main point.
As we know from that quotes from Skirk's Drip Marketing that basically saying venturing into the Abyss and the Universe is the same.

The Abyss is stated to have Endless Possibilities in Childe Character Story when he fell into the Abyss, so from this we know that the Abyss or the Void Realm is a Dark Universe that located Beyond and Beneath the Human Realm (Teyvat), and it is described as an entirely different world from Teyvat.

The Universe is stated to have Endless Distance and Endless Worlds said by the Traveler himself who once Traveled through the Universe with his Sibling and the Abyss is stated to be The Dark Universe with Boundless Darkness within.

Something bothering me is how none of this genuenly talks about infinite size in general, boundless and endless both do not mean infinite in general without any coherent proof, nor do i find any of this literal honestly.
Now for their traveling method, litteraly both skirk and narwhal use portals to travel around.
Nibelung isnt specified how.
Traveler travels inside a comet so he doesnt even scale to his travel speed
Honest quesiton now... can you and your gang STOP making crts with vague shit that isnt even put IN GAME for us to see its full explanation for ONCE.

 

[Weaver261]

Skirk dripmarketing just dropped and you guys already making crazy upgrades T - T

Jokes aside, hard disagree. It's inconsistent with what has shown so far in lore. Comparing Abyss to the Universe is in a way venturing to the unknown. This doesn't mean Universe = Abyss in size. Traveler shouldn't have infinite speed either since even in their prime when they fought against Sustainer, they didn't not show such speed feat despite the grave situation. Also, according to the structure of Imaginary tree and Genshin Impact being part of it, entire universe of genshin including outside of teyvat and everything would only result to a star system at most indicating finite size. So yeah, this ain't passing xD