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Idk man, I didn't make the calc
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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread
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Idk man, I didn't make the calc
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That and Thanos teleporting them closer.
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No. EVERYONE makes this mistake. His ass was NOT teleporting them to the Moon. People gotta stop following that scuffed headcanon
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This didn’t happen don’t make things up Russo bros confirmed all he did was bust and throw we literally have a vfx breakdown layer by layer of all cgi used no portals were ever used
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Looking at the scene, it should be easy to understand why someone (I) would assume that's what happened. Blue energy popped up and a ton of rock just disappeared into a teleporting-like effect.
Can you point me to the breakdown that confirms there weren't teleported?
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who made that sentry profile bruh ts is so ass
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Yeah his profile needs rework also someone needs to reword everything like his speed justification says quickly defeated the thunderbolts who couldn’t do anything that’s not even speed it’s strength just mention moves as a blur to the thunderbolts and was actively speed blitzing them
There’s so much stuff like that doesn’t even need to be there
heck the profile isn’t even right he never stopped any bullets from John he stopped bullets from Bucky and why is sending them flying even in speed section???
There’s so much stuff like that doesn’t even need to be there
heck the profile isn’t even right he never stopped any bullets from John he stopped bullets from Bucky and why is sending them flying even in speed section???
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The Marvel Website says this about Sentry:
ALSO THUNDERBOLTS WAS EASILY A 9.5/10 (just got done watching it.) Yelena was 100% the best character in the film
Perhaps an Invulnerability tag could be added for him.
ALSO THUNDERBOLTS WAS EASILY A 9.5/10 (just got done watching it.) Yelena was 100% the best character in the film
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In cases like this, invulnerability is just a commonly used term to describe his superhuman durability. Invulnerability as VSBW describes it is something else
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True, but it could necessitate a "Possibly" rating for Nigh-Invulnerability; after all, Sentry no-sold all physical damage in the film and only got incapped by some nerve-attacking weapon (which would be similar to durability negation.)
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No-selling physical damage by itself isn't a justification for VSBW Invulnerability. He was simply too durable for said attacks. Being incapped by a nerve-attacking weapon is just a case of using a different ability to overcome an AP/Durability gap
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Fair enough. I just brought it up in this fashion because Metro-Man's 'possibly' rating for Nigh-Invulnerability followed under a statement + an instance of him no-selling thrown objects from Roxxane. A little similar, but not enough for an upgrade it seems.
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The Invulnerability page literally states "This is distinct from simply particularly high durability, which may make a character seem invulnerable to weaker opponents"
Of course he's invulnerable in the Thunderbolts' perspective
Not sure he'll also be invulnerable in Doctor Doom's perspective, heh
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He’s literally called invincible and all powerful in the film and invulnerable by the director meaning verse standards he’s invulnerable
Also Invulnerability isn’t even really real thing any character who has that on their profile would be injured by raw stats if they are hit hard enough past what they are shown to take in verse
Like if Goku started punching captain man he’s not no selling cause he has invulnerability listed on his profile
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Captain Man not a good example he's really invulnerable to everything in his verse
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I found a couple statements regarding Sentry in the MCU and I think they're pretty interesting
Barring the "Stronger than the avengers rolled into 1" and the "Power of 1000 exploding suns" statements which everyone should know about by now, there have been 2 other statements worth noting.
One where it's stated that Bob is equal to the combined power of Vision, Thor and Carol Danvers (Captain Marvel).
The second and third both state that Bob is the "Strongest enemy in history" on the official Marvel JP website.
Here are the links for the first and second scans so you can verify the translation yourselves
Wanted to get everyone's thoughts on this cause it could be pretty big
Barring the "Stronger than the avengers rolled into 1" and the "Power of 1000 exploding suns" statements which everyone should know about by now, there have been 2 other statements worth noting.
One where it's stated that Bob is equal to the combined power of Vision, Thor and Carol Danvers (Captain Marvel).
The second and third both state that Bob is the "Strongest enemy in history" on the official Marvel JP website.
Here are the links for the first and second scans so you can verify the translation yourselves
Wanted to get everyone's thoughts on this cause it could be pretty big
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why is sentry bending vibranium a feat when he used heat manipulation lol.
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In his verse lol not against Goku who outstats his verse infinite times over
Absolutely insane to think he no sells Goku full power punches just because his profile says invulnerable
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1. True; the exploding sun statement is from where Yelena broke into the facility.
2. Wow, that's interesting, at least for Captain Marvel to be brought up.
3. Eh... this one is wonky because there are enemies like Infinity Gauntlet Thanos and Dormammu; I'd wait until Doomsday or Secret Wars for more Sentry-related feats until he could benefit from a statement like this.
4. Thanks to the links!
5. I think the 1000 exploding sun statement has more light if the marketing actually believes Sentry to be a combination of Thor, Captain Marvel and Vision's power. I don't agree with being the strongest enemy in history, because he'd have to surpass the Multiversal+ Dormammu, which is a little too much.
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Yeah, at the very least he'd be Low 4-C Small Star Level instead of Moon Level
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Nothing in there implies the "strongest enemy in history" statement correlates to avengers exclusive threats. Also, Doctor Strange is basically an Avenger, and has encountered Dormammu & Infinity Gauntlet Thanos. Even if we take away Dormammu, it's still not taking away IG Thanos.
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The director for thunderbolts compared sentry to the infinity stones so why can’t sentry be on that level exactly? Especially when the stones punk dormammu
Heck strongest enemy basically supports the director statement the statements only get more consistent but he day as we get more and more
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Wait the director compared him to the infinity stones?? That'd be very useful, you mind showing it?
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He worded it so weirdly lmao but I get the idea. Honestly makes sense, comparing him to the infinity stones, him being the strongest enemy in history. Checks out for me at least, idk if it'd fly on his page but it flies in my head.
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Because he’s hinting at doomsday he’s not allowed to say much of anything or marvel would cook him lol
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TBH I lowkey agree with this take.
The concept of Invulnerability in crossverse seems a tad bit NFL.
Unless it's specified, they're Invulnerable to everything but this one thing, and or have feats of their said invulnerability tanking something stronger than them. (i.e. curses in JJK)
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Wait so when Fantastic four movie comes out is someone going to make a phase 6 thread isn’t that the first movie of phase 6 ?
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Are there any plans to separate speed tiers, such as Defender tiers not scaling to Spider-Man?
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I plan on revamping Jessica and Luke's pages (I've even got drafts for them), since they got LS, abilities, and intelligence feats that are blatantly missing, but I'm not tackling speed there
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I see. I feel like a lot of the current scaling is really flawed, and should probably be revised.
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In terms of certain Defenders guys scaling back to 9-A? I'm fine with that given how Hawkeye and Echo recontextualized some stuff scaling wise + some of the Defenders characters genuinely are toted as even greater fighters than 9-A guys like Hawkeye, Black Widow, Falcon, etc.
Post-Second Bath Luke scaling to 8-C+ is also fine given the Chitauri metal stuff. Pretty cut and dry there
Speed scaling back to MHS+? That part's always been kinda iffy for me though I don't really plan on covering that
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Most of it lol. I feel iffy on the ap ratings for most of the lower tiers, but the speed stuff genuinely baffles me, with how Colleen Wing and Punisher are on the same level as Spider-Man lmao. This is the thing that got 616 blasted with revisions.
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Comparing any other Marvel adaptation to 616 isn't a good mindset to have. 616 is an ENTIRELY different beast to the MCU. In a game like Spider-Man: Shattered Dimensions, Spider-Man boxing up Juggernaut and winning is fine because that's its own thing. If you argued Spidey was Juggernaut level in 616, you're gonna be getting a lot of pushback
The idea of "this caused issues for 616" is a flawed one because 616 isn't the standard for how we scale other Marvel adaptations. Even with the MCUs long list of directors, writers, and producers, it is is still FAR more of a consistent and cohesive verse to scale than Marvel's mainline comics and its countless writers and creative contributors
That being acknowledged, I think it could be argued a lot of the 9-A guys shouldn't be scaling to Spidey or Cap to begin with regarding speed, hence, the Defenders shouldn't scale to MHS+ either
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With how expansive the MCU has become, it's kind of reaching that level. Everyone gets scaled from everyone now (regular humans from Netflix shows are the same level as Iron Man), even though most of what is seen in their appearances does not back that up.
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I completely disagree. People REALLY underestimate how long of a history the mainline comics has had. The MCU is a drop compared to the ocean that is the comics
Even now, I feel it's far less of a headache than the comics are
Like I said, I personally just think this comes down to the fact that guys like Hawkeye shouldn't be on Spider-Man or Cap's levels of speed
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Like just as a reminder, the 616 continuity arguably started with the Fantastic Four, so at the bare minimum, that continuity has been around for 64 years. There's multiple different comics that all take place in the same world, but no real starting point for anyone getting into it, not to mention crossover events, runs that intersect with one another, etc. etc.
The MCU has been around for 17 years, has a lot of movies but are a lot more straightforward in how to approach, have a clear starting point (Iron Man), and have shows on the side that aren't nearly as overwhelming as say, a single 616 X-Men character's full list of appearances
The MCU is NOT anywhere near 616's scope ATM
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Is this supposed to be canon to MCU multiverse at all?
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