Lady of Black Magic (Lady Bone Demon{Lego Monkie Kid} vs Shanoa{Castlevania})

[MysticBrawler]

Lady Bone Demon

Shanoa

Distance: 100 meters
Speed not Equal
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[MysticBrawler]

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[Phsccarvalho]

With the exception of info2/data, I think Shanoa can resist everything this character has in 6 layers.

Since Shanoa doesn't have a castle with a passive magic aura, I'm not sure how Dracula's magic works for her. But one basic thing is for her to get involved with Dracula's magic, since there are many passives and I don't know how it would work on Shanoa, I'll start with just one hax.

How does Lady deal with 4-D hax Madness (type 3) with 6 layers?

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[MysticBrawler]

With the exception of info2/data, I think Shanoa can resist everything this character has in 6 layers.

Since Shanoa doesn't have a castle with a passive magic aura, I'm not sure how Dracula's magic works for her. But one basic thing is for her to get involved with Dracula's magic, since there are many passives and I don't know how it would work on Shanoa, I'll start with just one hax.

How does Lady deal with 4-D hax Madness (type 3) with 6 layers?

Is her first move using Dracula's magic? Cause I was thinking that she would try out her other options first before using that
Anyway I was thinking that Lady Bone Demon's Multiple Selves could work here as this is one of it's possible uses:
Mental resistance - The presence of a large number of consciousness allows resistance to mental influences, because even if one of them succumbs to external control, the other personalities may be able to stop it

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Is her first move using Dracula's magic? Cause I was thinking that she would try out her other options first before using that
Anyway I was thinking that Lady Bone Demon's Multiple Selves could work here as this is one of it's possible uses:
Mental resistance - The presence of a large number of consciousness allows resistance to mental influences, because even if one of them succumbs to external control, the other personalities may be able to stop it

She's a video game character, so there's no standard technique.

But anyway, Shanoa has three techniques that use Dracula's magic (one of them being getting involved with magic), there's no reason for her not to start with her strongest powers.

Furthermore, any darkness magic she uses has 6-layer plot/madness (type 3) hax, without needing Dracula's magic.

I could extend this to Glyph magic, which is the main magic used by Shanoa (basically everything she uses is based on it). This magic exudes vampiric energy, that is, we have again layered plot/madness hax (in addition to others, but I'm focusing on these two since the first one is very stolen and Lady can't resist it because of layers and the second one because Lady can't resist it even without layers).

So it's almost impossible for Shanoa not to start with something with these properties.

Anyway I was thinking that Lady Bone Demon's Multiple Selves could work here as this is one of it's possible uses:
Mental resistance

That wouldn't help.

First, because this would only apply to type 2 hax madness, since it is mental resistance, this type of resistance doesn't affect type 3 since it is not based on that.

Second, the moment the first consciousness looks at Shanoa, that consciousness will go crazy, and the others won't be able to do anything to stop it. So the moment the other consciousnesses realize Shanoa's existence, they will go crazy too, since type 3 [Those who possess this type drive others insane as a side-effect of the nature of their being, with the very act of looking at or attempting to perceive them being enough to send victims into a state of madness or terror.]

 

[MysticBrawler]

She's a video game character, so there's no standard technique.

But anyway, Shanoa has three techniques that use Dracula's magic (one of them being getting involved with magic), there's no reason for her not to start with her strongest powers.

Furthermore, any darkness magic she uses has 6-layer plot/madness (type 3) hax, without needing Dracula's magic.

I could extend this to Glyph magic, which is the main magic used by Shanoa (basically everything she uses is based on it). This magic exudes vampiric energy, that is, we have again layered plot/madness hax (in addition to others, but I'm focusing on these two since the first one is very stolen and Lady can't resist it because of layers and the second one because Lady can't resist it even without layers).

So it's almost impossible for Shanoa not to start with something with these properties.


That wouldn't help.

First, because this would only apply to type 2 hax madness, since it is mental resistance, this type of resistance doesn't affect type 3 since it is not based on that.

Second, the moment the first consciousness looks at Shanoa, that consciousness will go crazy, and the others won't be able to do anything to stop it. So the moment the other consciousnesses realize Shanoa's existence, they will go crazy too, since type 3 [Those who possess this type drive others insane as a side-effect of the nature of their being, with the very act of looking at or attempting to perceive them being enough to send victims into a state of madness or terror.]

Fair enough, though that would also mean that there is no reason for her to start with Dracula's magic.

From what I understand Dracula's magic is tied to the Dominus Glyph. With that said, it says in her weakness section overusing the Dominus Glyph would drain her health at best, and take her soul at worst. So she does have a good reason to not resort to it right away.

And where exactly does that come from? Cause the only abilites stated in her profile to have layers are the Dark Lord abilities.

Lady Bone Demon does have Reactive Evolution, which can give her abilities additional layers, and can likely give her resistance to Madness(Type3) as she already has resistance to Madness(Type2).

Fair enough, though as I said above her Reactive Evolution can probably let her adapt to this.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Fair enough, though that would also mean that there is no reason for her to start with Dracula's magic.

From what I understand Dracula's magic is tied to the Dominus Glyph. With that said, it says in her weakness section overusing the Dominus Glyph would drain her health at best, and take her soul at worst. So she does have a good reason to not resort to it right away.

The complete Dominus Glyph kills Shanoa instantly, the individual parts that make up the glyph (of which there are three) only take away part of her health.

Also, even if she didn't start with Dracula's magic, almost everything she does has the properties I mentioned.

Besides, as I said, any of Shanoa's darkness magic has Chaos properties, which has type 3 madness, so she doesn't even need to use Dracula's magic.

There's no need to use darkness magic really, her glyphs (which is her main thing) exude vampiric energy that besides hax madness, has passive paralysis (with 6 layers also by UES)

Lady Bone Demon does have Reactive Evolution, which can give her abilities additional layers, and can likely give her resistance to Madness(Type3) as she already has resistance to Madness(Type2).

Fair enough, though as I said above her Reactive Evolution can probably let her adapt to this

RE is limited to the extent and complexity it has been shown to do.

Lady is not able to RE to close a 5 layer gap. It gets worse with Madness type 3, because she would have to acquire resistance and get 6 layers of it.

And she would have to do this RE instantly to not be affected. So, no.

Fair enough, though as I said above her Reactive Evolution can probably let her adapt to this.

Furthermore, Shanoa herself has two different types of RE.

• Power Absorption and Reactive Evolution (Creatures of chaos are capable of adapting to their environment to gain new abilities or slay those they kill and gain new powers)
  
  
• Enhanced Reactive Evolution (Vampires are capable of adapting new abilities on the fly to ensure their survival, even apparent for Alucard who's resistence grew stronger than before)

In addition to Shanoa also having RE, she constantly faces and kills dozens to hundreds of Chaos Creatures, in addition to killing vampires. So she is super used to fighting guys who have offensive and defensive RE.

 

[MysticBrawler]

The complete Dominus Glyph kills Shanoa instantly, the individual parts that make up the glyph (of which there are three) only take away part of her health.

Also, even if she didn't start with Dracula's magic, almost everything she does has the properties I mentioned.

Besides, as I said, any of Shanoa's darkness magic has Chaos properties, which has type 3 madness, so she doesn't even need to use Dracula's magic.

There's no need to use darkness magic really, her glyphs (which is her main thing) exude vampiric energy that besides hax madness, has passive paralysis (with 6 layers also by UES)


RE is limited to the extent and complexity it has been shown to do.

Lady is not able to RE to close a 5 layer gap. It gets worse with Madness type 3, because she would have to acquire resistance and get 6 layers of it.

And she would have to do this RE instantly to not be affected. So, no.


Furthermore, Shanoa herself has two different types of RE.

In addition to Shanoa also having RE, she constantly faces and kills dozens to hundreds of Chaos Creatures, in addition to killing vampires. So she is super used to fighting guys who have offensive and defensive RE.

I'm aware of that, though my point still stands. There is a good reason for her to not resort to this right away, and no reason for her to pull this out right away.

Fair enough.

This seems to be the same point as the second one.

This also seems to be the same point as the second one.

Ok so what's the problem then? She's not adapting to a different ability, just a different method of applying the same ability.

It's a 4 layer gap as she already has 2 layers of resistance to Mind Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, ,Madness Manipulation(Type 2), and Fear Manipulation. Speaking of which, wouldn't Lady Bone Demon's resistance to the first 3 also allow her to resist Madness Manipulation(Type 3)?

Lady Bone Demon's Reactive Evolution coupled with her Multiple Selves make me think that she would be able to adapt pretty quickly here.

Shanoa's neither Creature of Chaos nor a vampire so I don't see why she would have either of these.

Fair enough.

 

[Theglassman12]

Shanoa is a creature of chaos with some of the glyphs literally turning her into some of them. Her having vampire abilities is literally from her Glyphs being stated to be that of a vampire itself, so all of her magic in general has chaos magic so Lady Bone demon would be screwed.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

I'm aware of that, though my point still stands. There is a good reason for her to not resort to this right away, and no reason for her to pull this out right away

Everything Shanoa does has these properties, her main power is the glyphs exuding vampiric energy. So starting with the passives that include Madness type 3 is the standard here.

It's a 4 layer gap as she already has 2 layers of resistance to Mind Manipulation, Empathic Manipulation, Perception Manipulation, ,Madness Manipulation(Type 2), and Fear Manipulation. Speaking of which, wouldn't Lady Bone Demon's resistance to the first 3 also allow her to resist Madness Manipulation(Type 3)?

That's not how resistances work. Her having resistances to this literally doesn't matter because she doesn't resist madness type 3. Her having resistance to mind, madness type 2 and etc doesn't matter to resist type 3. So yes, she would have to do a RE to gain a new type of resistance that she doesn't have in 6 layers yet, and it would have to be instantaneous otherwise she would go mad.

Shanoa's neither Creature of Chaos nor a vampire so I don't see why she would have either of these.

Shanoa has the physiology of a creature of chaos.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Shanoa is a creature of chaos with some of the glyphs literally turning her into some of them. Her having vampire abilities is literally from her Glyphs being stated to be that of a vampire itself, so all of her magic in general has chaos magic so Lady Bone demon would be screwed.

Yeah okay, I can see her getting the Creature of Chaos' Reactive Evolution when she turns into one, however Shanoa doesn't have any Vampire transformation so I don't see why she would have that.
Reactive Evolution isn't listed under the General Chaos Magic abilities so I don't see why all of her magic would have this trait and not just Shanoa's Dracula magic.

 

[Theglassman12]

Glyphs are literally vampiric in nature, Sypha describes it as such so she has them.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Everything Shanoa does has these properties, her main power is the glyphs exuding vampiric energy. So starting with the passives that include Madness type 3 is the standard here.


That's not how resistances work. Her having resistances to this literally doesn't matter because she doesn't resist madness type 3. Her having resistance to mind, madness type 2 and etc doesn't matter to resist type 3. So yes, she would have to do a RE to gain a new type of resistance that she doesn't have in 6 layers yet, and it would have to be instantaneous otherwise she would go mad.


Shanoa has the physiology of a creature of chaos.

Shouldn't it be possible for resistance to 1 ability to also resist abilities correlated to it? Like how a character with resistance to Temperature Manipulation would also be resistant to Fire Manipulation(and/or Ice Manipulation) even without it being listed.

Yeah, when she's transformed as one.

 

[Phsccarvalho]

Shouldn't it be possible for resistance to 1 ability to also resist abilities correlated to it? Like how a character with resistance to Temperature Manipulation would also be resistant to Fire Manipulation(and/or Ice Manipulation) even without it being listed.

Yeah, when she's transformed as one.

Type 3 is not correlated to mind/biology (It is explained on the page itself) so having resistances based on it doesn't matter.

 

[MysticBrawler]

Type 3 is not correlated to mind/biology (It is explained on the page itself) so having resistances based on it doesn't matter.

True, but what I was referring to was Lady Bone Demon's resistance to Empathic and Perception Manipulation which does seem like it could be correlated to Madness(Type 3).

If there really is no way to get past Shanoa's Madness(Type 3) then I guess this is a mismatch then. Oh well back to the drawing board then.