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Less downgrade and more "fix," but I'm starting with a slew of downgrades, and I wanted to plagiarize Fuji (RIP my GOAT) so who cares.
And I can't title so "fanfictionian" is the best you're getting from me.
I'll be starting with our Fill Feels DDLC profiles.
Powers and Abilities first (Also including the non-punchy punchy boom boom stats like intelligence and stamina):
While real world lobotomies do require quite a bit of precision, real world lobotomies also are done by people who have a specific piece they want to remove in mind and generally want their patients to live afterwards, just destroying a chunk of a person's brain doesn't require any real precision, and this tweet doesn't really come off as "11xuki does masterful work with a drill to remove a piece of your brain" as opposed to "she sticks a drill in your face and destroys a chunk of your grey matter," which FF describes as giving a person a lobotomy as a joke. And for those reasons:
Intelligence: at least Gifted (Able to do precise lobotomies with a drill, which is a task not even trained doctors could do)
Since we have no reason to believe she's performing actual precise lobotomies as opposed to just stabbing people in the brain, and she has no other showings, her intelligence should be downgraded to Average
I can't really say if this is legit or not, given "the blackhole thing" is incredibly vague, but it this is all there is than it definitely isn't enough to give her black hole manipulation
Standard Equipment: Power Drill, Truck
This truck appears in a single tweet and is absent the other 99% of the time, it shouldn't be listed as standard equipment
Since this is described as "freeing them from their mortal prison" do we have any reason to believe Sayori is removing people's souls through actual soul hax as opposed to just killing them? All of the FFDDLC characters technically take people's souls, since their world runs on them, but everything else only ever talks about murdering people through entirely physical means, with the description here definitely implying the literature club just kills the people who enter the game normally
I'd hesitate to use a joke post like this as evidence for an actual ability, especially when we don't actually see the healing occur, but since she is fully recovered in later posts, I suppose there's nothing technically wrong with it. If we do keep it, then we should still clarify what level of healing it is, which, since it could heal her eye being cracked, would be High-Low
Likewise:
Range: Standard Melee Range, Tens of Meters with Fire Manipulation (Burnt down her house with fire)
With burning her house not being able to be attributed to fire manip, her range with it should be downgraded, probably to "several meters," looking at the shot of the area around her burning when she transforms
Intelligence: Average (Although delusional), at least Above Average in combat (Able to successfully use rope against Mistress M, a piece of equipment that would be difficult to set up in a fight)
I'm assuming this is based on how in this artwork it looks like Sayori hung MM. However, setting aside the problem of we don't know if she even actually used this rope at all in the fight itself. (As opposed to beating her then hanging her afterwards) We have no way to say that she "successfully used it," or that she had to "set it up" or used it in any way that would be difficult for a normal person, especially not to the point of having Above Average combat intelligence. (And definitely not "At least" above average) Mistress M's profile even notes that how Sayori took her out is unknown
Due to how we treat the ability of invulnerability, a single statement of being immune to physical attacks wouldn't qualify, especially when her durability section later claims she's able to cut herself (Yeah it apparently "only leaves marks," but leaving any semblance of damage whatsoever would be an antifeat for invulnerability)
Stamina: Athletic, possibly Superhuman (Has been described as Superhuman)
Like with speed (Covered below) possessing superhuman strength doesn't in and of itself indicate superhuman stamina
Intelligence: Above Average (Is the best at killing others out of the 4 Doki's)
As our intelligence page states, being more developed in select subjects but being average otherwise would still only be Average intelligence, Euri is efficient at killing to some degree, but otherwise seems entirely average intelligence-wise
Weaknesses: Desires Attention, was taken out by "Sayori" although through unknown circumstances. Wants to escape the reality she is stuck in and requires souls to live on.
"Lost a fight" isn't a weakness
Team Resources/Abilities: Sealing (Able to trap people inside their world)
This wouldn't exactly be sealing, since they're only bringing people to the game world, and as these are normal people they're pulling in, they of course have no way of leaving on their own, so this would be sealing in the same sense that dimensional BFR is sealing when used on someone without dimensional travel, they're not employing any actual ability to trap people in the world, regular humans just can't jump between worlds. I'm not sure what ability it should be exactly, (Maybe immersion since it's implied that this is still a game world?) but it’s not sealing, the tweet talking about it also mentions that this ability is a quirk of the world itself, not something the literature club possesses, which should be mentioned
And now the stats, since everyone scales to each other I'll be tackling them all at once:
Attack Potency: Street level (Has sharp teeth, able to harm Base "Sayori", has access to a Power Drill that she uses to do lobotomies, can snap her own neck [ 623.8140652 Joules ], was described as having a "devastating offensive capability" and can rip off her own head), Wall level with Truck
Lifting Strength: Class 5 (Able to rip off her own head)
Sharp teeth are probably fine for 9-C, as is the power dill, (Though that second part wouldn't scale to her own physical stats) 9-C AP and Class 5 LS from being able to rip off her own head and snap her own neck, at first, all sounds fine, however as the tweet the head ripping comes from points out, 11xuki is able to do these not because of her own superhuman strength, but because of her body being extremely fragile, saying that her body is fragile for the specific purpose of allowing her to mutilate herself. And "Devastating offensive capability" on its own doesn't really mean anything tiering wise, especially when 99% of the time the only things she’s fighting are regular humans
Durability: Street level (can survive her neck being twisted),
This is a good showing for survivability, but it means nothing for actual durability, especially when she's described as being fragile. All of the FF characters have "Should be comparable to 11xuki, who can survive her neck being twisted" listed under their own durability sections. Not only can we not just assume they all possess similar survivability like this, but as said before, it wouldn't be durability anyway. For 11xuki's durability in particular, she's described as being fragile to the point where she can easily tear herself apart with her own human level strength, so her dura should be downgraded to either Below Average Human level, or "At most Human level"
likely Wall level (Should be comparable to "Sayori", who is able to survive her car crashes), lower (Has been described as the "most fragile of the four" Doki's)
Firstly, this wouldn't be Wall level for the same reasons a human surviving car crashes and/or being run over wouldn't as Sayori likely didn't withstand anywhere close to the truck's full kinetic energy, secondly we don't see how fast the truck was going, the full size of the truck or the actual impact. So we have no idea if the truck hit her and she went flying, if it hit her into something, if it just ran her over, etc. And we don't even know the level of energy the truck is hitting with in the first place, with car crash feats being as low as Street level if the person is sent flying, (And no I’m not saying this should be used for Street level durability) saying they should be comparable is entirely unsubstantiated, with 11xuki outright being called the most fragile, indicating her durability is not comparable
Plus looking at Sayori's own durability section
Durability: Street level (Should be able to survive having her neck twisted like 11xuki), likely Wall level (Able to survive car crashes, only needing Ibuprofen to recover), higher (gets into multiple car crashes)
Saying she "only need ibuprofen" at face value makes it sound like she just walked away with a headache or something, except the entire left half of her face was left badly cracked to the point that her durability shouldn't scale to the crash regardless of how it happened, the section about her getting into multiple crashes doesn't add much when we see even less of those instances or her state afterwards. 11xuki also has harming Sayori as evidence for her own street level physicals (And her high-end universal physicals):
Attack Potency: Street level (Has sharp teeth, able to harm Base "Sayori", has access to a Power Drill that she uses to do lobotomies, can snap her own neck [ 623.8140652 Joules ], was described as having a "devastating offensive capability" and can rip off her own head), Wall level with Truck, possibly Universe level (Able to harm "Sayori", who can take on Mistress M whom can to support an entire universe with only a single humans life energy)
Then links the tweet showing the aftermath of hitting her with a truck, which is listed separately as being 9-B and properly listed on Sayori's own profile
Speed: at least Athletic Human (Comparable Natsuki, who is extremely muscular. Can move at a fast speed towards the screen)
Natsuki becoming briefly muscular for a single gag says nothing of her speed, (Neither in this exact moment nor in general) and 11xuki's "fast speed" in all honesty looks kind of slow, and it's definitely not "Athletic Human" fast
Euri's speed in particular is a little different from everyone else:
Speed: at least Athletic Human (Should be far superior to Natsuki, who is extremely muscular. Likely the same speed as 11xuki), Superhuman (Has been described as Superhuman)
While she is said to possess Superhuman strength, this wouldn't by default extend to superhuman speed, and given that she apparently regularly spars with 11xuki, she's probably not much faster than the others
Everyone is also currently listed as having Athletic stamina with no reasoning for any of them besides Mistress M, who has this
Stamina: At least Athletic (Far more powerful than Natsuki)
Yeah, being far more powerful than someone doesn't mean you automatically have greater stamina
You probably wouldn't even need to downgrade any of them, (Besides Euri's superhuman rating, kill that one) since all of the cast has showings of acting through and/or ignoring injuries
And now the big one, currently everyone is listed as "possibly 3-A" for scaling to Mistress M, who's rated as Universal as you can see:
Attack Potency: Universe level (Is able to support an entire world using only a corpse with it's life energy, continuing it's life, created the world and everything in it with the exclusion of Euri, she stated that she created the world)
So, Mistress M creates her own version of the DDLC world, with the life energy and/or souls of people pulled into the game sustaining it, making this a sort of combined creation/stabilization feat. To examine this, first lets go over the standards for stabilization feats:
Requirement 1: Specify what exactly is being stabilized so that it is made clear what the character's sustainability is doing precisely.
Requirement 1 is met just fine, we're directly told that the game world is what's being sustained, that's all good, thumbs up
Requirement 2: Prove that the stabilized structure is being directly sustained by the power of the character and not from the character's abilities, life force, existence, magical properties, or any unknown connection that is independent of their statistics.
And this is where we start running into problems, (Yikes, and only at 2 out of 4) as it's the life energy and/or souls of the people pulled into the game world which is being used to sustain it, both of which would be independent of their physical stats
Requirement 3: Prove that the character's stabilization is comparable to the scale of the structure they are stabilizing. Preferably, it should be proven that the character's sustainability is comparable to the destruction of the structure to best show that their power rivals the destructive output of what would destroy the structure in the first place. Please keep in mind that this may vary depending on how the structure's destruction would occur. For example, if a character sustains the existence of a universe that would not be instantly or immediately destroyed when no longer supported, the power of their sustainability would not be comparable to destructive output that completely and immediately destroys a universe, and would not be sufficient enough to be given a 3-A or Low 2-C rating. However, their sustainability could be given either rating if the universe they sustain would be completely destroyed instantly or immediately without support.
This one's ultimately just left as an unknown, since we have no context for how long a person's life energy fuels the world for or how quickly it would destabilize and collapse (Or even if it would fully collapse) when not being sustained by a person, so meh, I'll say unknown but leaning no on this one
Requirement 4: Prove that the power of the character's stabilization consistently scales to their regular statistics, similar to our standards for creation feats.
And just like with 2, there's nothing to indicate that this stabilization would scale to physical stats, the stabilization isn't even being done by M, but by the life energy of hapless victims who are otherwise entirely normal humans.
This feat doesn't meet the requirements for creation feats scaling to physicals either, as MM doesn't showcase her creation abilities being linked to her physicals or any of her other powers
Alright, so Uni stats for the FF crew is a bust, but M should still be 3-A with creation, right?
Well, the very fact that I'm asking a hypothetical question like this should be answer enough. And that answer is definitely not. These three scans are all the profile provides for 3-A, the first and third scans don't provide much beyond supporting evidence that she created it (Not really what was in question) and call it "her/my world," the use of the word world is nice potential support but can't grant a tier on its own. Scan 2 is the best we've got here, saying her world is "similar" to the original DDLC game (where in-universe the game program is a whole universe) but ultimately, it's not enough for a Universal rating either, not only is using this scan to try and scale a fanon source to canon without any supporting evidence from itself, which is already shaky, but we're only that told Mistress M's world is "similar" to the original game without any elaboration on how they're similar. There's nothing about it being parallel or equal, and since all of the art is focused on the characters themselves, we don't have any showings of this version of the game world possessing any celestial bodies like a moon or stars, leaving us with just a vague "similar" statement.
But what tier should MM's creation be? When it comes to creation feats that are smaller than celestial bodies, their tier is determined by the mass of the created thing, we don't actually know exactly how big MM's version of the DDLC world is, but it at the very least contains multiple houses and the high school the original game takes place in, a single house's weight is high-end 9-B, meaning multiple houses plus a high school would probably be either 9-A or 8-C (Surprise surprise, I couldn't find much on how much an average school building weighs, so I'm not actually sure, I'm leaning 9-A since 8-C starts at 12 million kilograms, which I doubt a school building would reach, seeing as an average two-story house is only ~50,000)
So, with almost every previously listed stat shredded, what tier should everyone be? Well, Speed should be downgraded to Average Human for all 4, as none of them possess any real notable speed feats. As should LS, though Euri's can probably be Superhuman instead. AP is a bit trickier, Euri can stay at 9-C for being stated to possess superhuman strength, and her durability should be "At least 9-C, likely higher" since she's said to be immune to physical damage. As for the other 3, while Sayori and 11xuki can probably still be 9-C with natural weaponry, (And 11xuki's drill) and 11xuki can keep her "9-B via truck" since any vehicle at top speed would produce wall level kinetic energy, they should otherwise be downgraded to 10-B since they otherwise have no notable feats. Euri is said to spar with 11xuki, but I don't think she (And by extension Sayori and MM) should physically scale to her. For one, 11xuki's method of fighting is apparently mutilating herself to attack, not caring about damage sustained, meaning she wouldn't really need to be physically comparable to Euri to fight her, and we have no idea how these fights go in the first place, so they're not worth much for scaling anyway, and given Euri's superhuman strength is specifically called out as an attribute about her alone, she's definitely implied to be stronger than the others. MM's 3-A would be changed to "9-A via creation," and her universal range should be changed to "Hundreds of Meters with creation." (Oh and since she's not tier 3 you could also remove the note from the group profile about MM being excluded from lower tier matches)
Disagree:
Neutral:
And I can't title so "fanfictionian" is the best you're getting from me.
I'll be starting with our Fill Feels DDLC profiles.
11xuki
Powers and Abilities first (Also including the non-punchy punchy boom boom stats like intelligence and stamina):
- Immortality (Types 2, 3, and 4: is able to come back alive by creating a brand new vessel and can survive ripping her own head off)
- Incorporeality and Avatar Creation (Lacks a true physical form as she is able to create a vessel whilst not in one)
- Regeneration (Can regenerate from her neck being snapped)
- Regeneration (Mid:11xuki is able to regenerate her body "quite quickly" which includes her head)
While real world lobotomies do require quite a bit of precision, real world lobotomies also are done by people who have a specific piece they want to remove in mind and generally want their patients to live afterwards, just destroying a chunk of a person's brain doesn't require any real precision, and this tweet doesn't really come off as "11xuki does masterful work with a drill to remove a piece of your brain" as opposed to "she sticks a drill in your face and destroys a chunk of your grey matter," which FF describes as giving a person a lobotomy as a joke. And for those reasons:
Intelligence: at least Gifted (Able to do precise lobotomies with a drill, which is a task not even trained doctors could do)
Since we have no reason to believe she's performing actual precise lobotomies as opposed to just stabbing people in the brain, and she has no other showings, her intelligence should be downgraded to Average
- Likely Toon Force (Should have the same ability as Natsuki, who can gain muscles so quickly that it catches her off guard)
I can't really say if this is legit or not, given "the blackhole thing" is incredibly vague, but it this is all there is than it definitely isn't enough to give her black hole manipulation
Standard Equipment: Power Drill, Truck
This truck appears in a single tweet and is absent the other 99% of the time, it shouldn't be listed as standard equipment
Sayori
- Bodily Weaponry (Has sharp teeth, her hands feel like sandpaper, when transformed she has multiple sharp edges to her)
- Large Size (Type 0, only when fully transformed)
Since this is described as "freeing them from their mortal prison" do we have any reason to believe Sayori is removing people's souls through actual soul hax as opposed to just killing them? All of the FFDDLC characters technically take people's souls, since their world runs on them, but everything else only ever talks about murdering people through entirely physical means, with the description here definitely implying the literature club just kills the people who enter the game normally
- Inorganic Physiology (Her body is shattered in some area's, including her eyes and especially when transformed, however can still continue and use her sight regardless. Her body is "painted")
I'd hesitate to use a joke post like this as evidence for an actual ability, especially when we don't actually see the healing occur, but since she is fully recovered in later posts, I suppose there's nothing technically wrong with it. If we do keep it, then we should still clarify what level of healing it is, which, since it could heal her eye being cracked, would be High-Low
- Berserk Mode (Can transform into a larger, more edged out version of herself. This can be activated slowly by mental breakdowns, however she can seeminglyactivate it instantly)
- Fire Manipulation (Set up the area around her into flames upon transforming, she also burnt down her house several times over. She can also use fire whilst in base form)
Likewise:
Range: Standard Melee Range, Tens of Meters with Fire Manipulation (Burnt down her house with fire)
With burning her house not being able to be attributed to fire manip, her range with it should be downgraded, probably to "several meters," looking at the shot of the area around her burning when she transforms
Intelligence: Average (Although delusional), at least Above Average in combat (Able to successfully use rope against Mistress M, a piece of equipment that would be difficult to set up in a fight)
I'm assuming this is based on how in this artwork it looks like Sayori hung MM. However, setting aside the problem of we don't know if she even actually used this rope at all in the fight itself. (As opposed to beating her then hanging her afterwards) We have no way to say that she "successfully used it," or that she had to "set it up" or used it in any way that would be difficult for a normal person, especially not to the point of having Above Average combat intelligence. (And definitely not "At least" above average) Mistress M's profile even notes that how Sayori took her out is unknown
Euri
So, Euri's listed backstory is that Yuri was killed and came back as Euri, that's all well and good, but we don't have any indication that she could resurrect a second time if she were to die as Euri- Weapon Mastery (Knife)
- Inorganic Physiology (Her eyes are shattered , similar to "Sayori", who should still be able to see even with them shattered )
- Bodily Weaponry When Transformed (She has sharp incredibly teeth, her fingers are likely similar to knives, has sharp tendrils)
Due to how we treat the ability of invulnerability, a single statement of being immune to physical attacks wouldn't qualify, especially when her durability section later claims she's able to cut herself (Yeah it apparently "only leaves marks," but leaving any semblance of damage whatsoever would be an antifeat for invulnerability)
Stamina: Athletic, possibly Superhuman (Has been described as Superhuman)
Like with speed (Covered below) possessing superhuman strength doesn't in and of itself indicate superhuman stamina
Intelligence: Above Average (Is the best at killing others out of the 4 Doki's)
As our intelligence page states, being more developed in select subjects but being average otherwise would still only be Average intelligence, Euri is efficient at killing to some degree, but otherwise seems entirely average intelligence-wise
Mistress M
- Immortality (Type 1 and 2:Stated that she won't go anywhere and that she will always be there for The Player, can live with her body rotting like a corpse)
- Inorganic Physiology (Mistress M's body can crack similar to"Sayori", who can survive her eyes and the rest of her body being cracked all over and still have it function perfectly fine)
- Soul Manipulation (Should have the same ability as "Sayori" of taking out souls as she needs souls to live on)
Weaknesses: Desires Attention, was taken out by "Sayori" although through unknown circumstances. Wants to escape the reality she is stuck in and requires souls to live on.
"Lost a fight" isn't a weakness
The Literature Club
A pretty small section since this is a team profile and 99% of it is just stuff from the character profilesTeam Resources/Abilities: Sealing (Able to trap people inside their world)
This wouldn't exactly be sealing, since they're only bringing people to the game world, and as these are normal people they're pulling in, they of course have no way of leaving on their own, so this would be sealing in the same sense that dimensional BFR is sealing when used on someone without dimensional travel, they're not employing any actual ability to trap people in the world, regular humans just can't jump between worlds. I'm not sure what ability it should be exactly, (Maybe immersion since it's implied that this is still a game world?) but it’s not sealing, the tweet talking about it also mentions that this ability is a quirk of the world itself, not something the literature club possesses, which should be mentioned
Le Stats
And now the stats, since everyone scales to each other I'll be tackling them all at once:
Attack Potency: Street level (Has sharp teeth, able to harm Base "Sayori", has access to a Power Drill that she uses to do lobotomies, can snap her own neck [ 623.8140652 Joules ], was described as having a "devastating offensive capability" and can rip off her own head), Wall level with Truck
Lifting Strength: Class 5 (Able to rip off her own head)
Sharp teeth are probably fine for 9-C, as is the power dill, (Though that second part wouldn't scale to her own physical stats) 9-C AP and Class 5 LS from being able to rip off her own head and snap her own neck, at first, all sounds fine, however as the tweet the head ripping comes from points out, 11xuki is able to do these not because of her own superhuman strength, but because of her body being extremely fragile, saying that her body is fragile for the specific purpose of allowing her to mutilate herself. And "Devastating offensive capability" on its own doesn't really mean anything tiering wise, especially when 99% of the time the only things she’s fighting are regular humans
Durability: Street level (can survive her neck being twisted),
This is a good showing for survivability, but it means nothing for actual durability, especially when she's described as being fragile. All of the FF characters have "Should be comparable to 11xuki, who can survive her neck being twisted" listed under their own durability sections. Not only can we not just assume they all possess similar survivability like this, but as said before, it wouldn't be durability anyway. For 11xuki's durability in particular, she's described as being fragile to the point where she can easily tear herself apart with her own human level strength, so her dura should be downgraded to either Below Average Human level, or "At most Human level"
likely Wall level (Should be comparable to "Sayori", who is able to survive her car crashes), lower (Has been described as the "most fragile of the four" Doki's)
Firstly, this wouldn't be Wall level for the same reasons a human surviving car crashes and/or being run over wouldn't as Sayori likely didn't withstand anywhere close to the truck's full kinetic energy, secondly we don't see how fast the truck was going, the full size of the truck or the actual impact. So we have no idea if the truck hit her and she went flying, if it hit her into something, if it just ran her over, etc. And we don't even know the level of energy the truck is hitting with in the first place, with car crash feats being as low as Street level if the person is sent flying, (And no I’m not saying this should be used for Street level durability) saying they should be comparable is entirely unsubstantiated, with 11xuki outright being called the most fragile, indicating her durability is not comparable
Plus looking at Sayori's own durability section
Durability: Street level (Should be able to survive having her neck twisted like 11xuki), likely Wall level (Able to survive car crashes, only needing Ibuprofen to recover), higher (gets into multiple car crashes)
Saying she "only need ibuprofen" at face value makes it sound like she just walked away with a headache or something, except the entire left half of her face was left badly cracked to the point that her durability shouldn't scale to the crash regardless of how it happened, the section about her getting into multiple crashes doesn't add much when we see even less of those instances or her state afterwards. 11xuki also has harming Sayori as evidence for her own street level physicals (And her high-end universal physicals):
Attack Potency: Street level (Has sharp teeth, able to harm Base "Sayori", has access to a Power Drill that she uses to do lobotomies, can snap her own neck [ 623.8140652 Joules ], was described as having a "devastating offensive capability" and can rip off her own head), Wall level with Truck, possibly Universe level (Able to harm "Sayori", who can take on Mistress M whom can to support an entire universe with only a single humans life energy)
Then links the tweet showing the aftermath of hitting her with a truck, which is listed separately as being 9-B and properly listed on Sayori's own profile
Speed: at least Athletic Human (Comparable Natsuki, who is extremely muscular. Can move at a fast speed towards the screen)
Natsuki becoming briefly muscular for a single gag says nothing of her speed, (Neither in this exact moment nor in general) and 11xuki's "fast speed" in all honesty looks kind of slow, and it's definitely not "Athletic Human" fast
Euri's speed in particular is a little different from everyone else:
Speed: at least Athletic Human (Should be far superior to Natsuki, who is extremely muscular. Likely the same speed as 11xuki), Superhuman (Has been described as Superhuman)
While she is said to possess Superhuman strength, this wouldn't by default extend to superhuman speed, and given that she apparently regularly spars with 11xuki, she's probably not much faster than the others
Everyone is also currently listed as having Athletic stamina with no reasoning for any of them besides Mistress M, who has this
Stamina: At least Athletic (Far more powerful than Natsuki)
Yeah, being far more powerful than someone doesn't mean you automatically have greater stamina
You probably wouldn't even need to downgrade any of them, (Besides Euri's superhuman rating, kill that one) since all of the cast has showings of acting through and/or ignoring injuries
And now the big one, currently everyone is listed as "possibly 3-A" for scaling to Mistress M, who's rated as Universal as you can see:
Attack Potency: Universe level (Is able to support an entire world using only a corpse with it's life energy, continuing it's life, created the world and everything in it with the exclusion of Euri, she stated that she created the world)
So, Mistress M creates her own version of the DDLC world, with the life energy and/or souls of people pulled into the game sustaining it, making this a sort of combined creation/stabilization feat. To examine this, first lets go over the standards for stabilization feats:
Requirement 1: Specify what exactly is being stabilized so that it is made clear what the character's sustainability is doing precisely.
Requirement 1 is met just fine, we're directly told that the game world is what's being sustained, that's all good, thumbs up
Requirement 2: Prove that the stabilized structure is being directly sustained by the power of the character and not from the character's abilities, life force, existence, magical properties, or any unknown connection that is independent of their statistics.
And this is where we start running into problems, (Yikes, and only at 2 out of 4) as it's the life energy and/or souls of the people pulled into the game world which is being used to sustain it, both of which would be independent of their physical stats
Requirement 3: Prove that the character's stabilization is comparable to the scale of the structure they are stabilizing. Preferably, it should be proven that the character's sustainability is comparable to the destruction of the structure to best show that their power rivals the destructive output of what would destroy the structure in the first place. Please keep in mind that this may vary depending on how the structure's destruction would occur. For example, if a character sustains the existence of a universe that would not be instantly or immediately destroyed when no longer supported, the power of their sustainability would not be comparable to destructive output that completely and immediately destroys a universe, and would not be sufficient enough to be given a 3-A or Low 2-C rating. However, their sustainability could be given either rating if the universe they sustain would be completely destroyed instantly or immediately without support.
This one's ultimately just left as an unknown, since we have no context for how long a person's life energy fuels the world for or how quickly it would destabilize and collapse (Or even if it would fully collapse) when not being sustained by a person, so meh, I'll say unknown but leaning no on this one
Requirement 4: Prove that the power of the character's stabilization consistently scales to their regular statistics, similar to our standards for creation feats.
And just like with 2, there's nothing to indicate that this stabilization would scale to physical stats, the stabilization isn't even being done by M, but by the life energy of hapless victims who are otherwise entirely normal humans.
This feat doesn't meet the requirements for creation feats scaling to physicals either, as MM doesn't showcase her creation abilities being linked to her physicals or any of her other powers
Alright, so Uni stats for the FF crew is a bust, but M should still be 3-A with creation, right?
Well, the very fact that I'm asking a hypothetical question like this should be answer enough. And that answer is definitely not. These three scans are all the profile provides for 3-A, the first and third scans don't provide much beyond supporting evidence that she created it (Not really what was in question) and call it "her/my world," the use of the word world is nice potential support but can't grant a tier on its own. Scan 2 is the best we've got here, saying her world is "similar" to the original DDLC game (where in-universe the game program is a whole universe) but ultimately, it's not enough for a Universal rating either, not only is using this scan to try and scale a fanon source to canon without any supporting evidence from itself, which is already shaky, but we're only that told Mistress M's world is "similar" to the original game without any elaboration on how they're similar. There's nothing about it being parallel or equal, and since all of the art is focused on the characters themselves, we don't have any showings of this version of the game world possessing any celestial bodies like a moon or stars, leaving us with just a vague "similar" statement.
But what tier should MM's creation be? When it comes to creation feats that are smaller than celestial bodies, their tier is determined by the mass of the created thing, we don't actually know exactly how big MM's version of the DDLC world is, but it at the very least contains multiple houses and the high school the original game takes place in, a single house's weight is high-end 9-B, meaning multiple houses plus a high school would probably be either 9-A or 8-C (Surprise surprise, I couldn't find much on how much an average school building weighs, so I'm not actually sure, I'm leaning 9-A since 8-C starts at 12 million kilograms, which I doubt a school building would reach, seeing as an average two-story house is only ~50,000)
Te Conclusion
So, with almost every previously listed stat shredded, what tier should everyone be? Well, Speed should be downgraded to Average Human for all 4, as none of them possess any real notable speed feats. As should LS, though Euri's can probably be Superhuman instead. AP is a bit trickier, Euri can stay at 9-C for being stated to possess superhuman strength, and her durability should be "At least 9-C, likely higher" since she's said to be immune to physical damage. As for the other 3, while Sayori and 11xuki can probably still be 9-C with natural weaponry, (And 11xuki's drill) and 11xuki can keep her "9-B via truck" since any vehicle at top speed would produce wall level kinetic energy, they should otherwise be downgraded to 10-B since they otherwise have no notable feats. Euri is said to spar with 11xuki, but I don't think she (And by extension Sayori and MM) should physically scale to her. For one, 11xuki's method of fighting is apparently mutilating herself to attack, not caring about damage sustained, meaning she wouldn't really need to be physically comparable to Euri to fight her, and we have no idea how these fights go in the first place, so they're not worth much for scaling anyway, and given Euri's superhuman strength is specifically called out as an attribute about her alone, she's definitely implied to be stronger than the others. MM's 3-A would be changed to "9-A via creation," and her universal range should be changed to "Hundreds of Meters with creation." (Oh and since she's not tier 3 you could also remove the note from the group profile about MM being excluded from lower tier matches)
Summary (AKA The Better Conclusion)
A summary section since that last part was a big wall of text11Xuki
- Downgrade AP to "10-B, 9-C with teeth and drill, 9-B with truck"
- Downgrade Durability to either 10-C or "At most 10-B"
- Downgrade speed to "Average Human, Superhuman to Subsonic with truck"
- Downgrade LS to Unknown
- Add justifications to Stamina
- Downgrade Intelligence to Average
- Move truck to Optional Equipment
- Remove Peak Human Characteristics
- Remove Type 4 Immortality
- Remove Incorporeality & Avatar Creation
- Merge separated regeneration sections
- Remove Toon Force
- Remove Superhuman Precision
- Remove Black Hole Manipulation
"Sayori"
- Downgrade AP to "10-B, 9-C with teeth" in base and "At least 10-B, 9-C with teeth" while transformed
- Downgrade Durability to 10-B in base and At least 10-B while transformed
- Downgrade Speed to Average Human
- Downgrade LS to Unknown
- Add justifications to Stamina
- Downgrade Intelligence to remove "Above Average combat intelligence"
- Remove Peak Human Characteristics
- Trim Bodily Weaponry
- Remove Large Size
- Remove Soul Manipulation
- Remove Inorganic Physiology
- Specify the exact degree of her Healing (High-Low)
- Change Berserk Mode to "limited Transformation"
- Trim justification for Fire Manipulation and change it to limited
Euri
- Downgrade AP to 9-C (Remove 3-A stats)
- Downgrade Speed to Average Human
- Downgrade LS to Superhuman
- Downgrade Durability to "At least 9-C, likely higher"
- Downgrade Stamina to Athletic and add justifications
- Downgrade Intelligence to Average
- Change Peak Human Characteristics to Superhuman Characteristics
- Remove Immortality & Resurrection
- Remove Invulnerability
Mistress M
- Downgrade AP to "10-B, 9-A/8-C with Creation"
- Downgrade Speed to Average Human
- Downgrade LS to Unknown
- Change Stamina justification
- Downgrade Range to "Hundreds of Meters with Creation"
- Downgrade Intelligence to Average
- Trim Weaknesses section
- Remove Peak Human Characteristics
- Remove Type 2 Immortality
- Remove Inorganic Physiology
- Remove Soul Manipulation
Literature Club
- Change stats to match the characters
- Change Sealing to Immersion and specify the ability is the world's doing
- Remove note about excluding Mistress M from low tier matches
Votes
Agree: 3 (O0DSF0o, Da3ggman, VeneficaAuthor)Disagree:
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