GARO: Horror Physiology Creation

[Minaaaa]

Since i've been working on the heroes of the verse, why not give the villains some attention?

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Horror Physiology

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Legules, Ring & Degol will get Basic level, Zedom & Sonshi will get Mado Horror level.

Agree: @LephyrTheRevanchist, @Reiner04, @FinePoint, @DarkDragonMedeus
Neutral:
Disagree:

 

[Minaaaa]

Bump

 

[Minaaaa]

bump

 

[GrayCraft_Dragon]

Agree fr

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Everything seems to check out

@Reiner04 @DarkDragonMedeus @FinePoint simple thread

 

[Reiner04]

This is fine.

 

[FinePoint]

I don't see any issues with this.

 

[Johner2133451]

I noticed this

• Invulnerability (Horrors cannot be killed or destroyed, only sealed. Normal human weaponry will not work against the Horrors)

Shouldn't this warrant type 5 immortality as well since they cannot be killed?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I noticed this

• Invulnerability (Horrors cannot be killed or destroyed, only sealed. Normal human weaponry will not work against the Horrors)

Shouldn't this warrant type 5 immortality as well since they cannot be killed?

No. Type 5 immo requieres way more evidence. Invulnerability fits it better here.

 

[FinePoint]

I noticed this

• Invulnerability (Horrors cannot be killed or destroyed, only sealed. Normal human weaponry will not work against the Horrors)

Shouldn't this warrant type 5 immortality as well since they cannot be killed?

Not if the reason they can't die is because they can't be harmed, or resurrect.

Type 5 is more like: death doesn't apply to them even if they were destroyed completely (existence erasure needed).

Also, because I just noticed: despite the text in the OP, the actual scan says they CAN be destroyed (which is what they call sealing).
It does mention that purification is needed to do this, so they can't be harmed by normal physical means, hence invulnerability.

But OP needs to correct the wording to make it clear that they CAN be destroyed with purification.

 

[Gonzalo]

I agree

 

[Minaaaa]

But OP needs to correct the wording to make it clear that they CAN be destroyed with purification.

so would something like "Horrors cannot be killed only sealed" work?

 

[FinePoint]

so would something like "Horrors cannot be killed only sealed" work?

Horrors cannot be killed or harmed by conventional weapons, requiring swords with powerful purification abilities to destroy.

 

[Minaaaa]

Horrors cannot be killed or harmed by conventional weapons, requiring swords with powerful purification abilities to destroy.

alright changed

 

[FinePoint]

alright changed

Then this can probably be applied now.

 

[Johner2133451]

I think the transformation, aura, dimensional travel and martial arts should have scans

 

[FinePoint]

I think the transformation, aura, dimensional travel and martial arts should have scans

They definitely should.

 

[Minaaaa]

I think the transformation, aura, dimensional travel and martial arts should have scans

added

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I noticed this

• Invulnerability (Horrors cannot be killed or destroyed, only sealed. Normal human weaponry will not work against the Horrors)

Shouldn't this warrant type 5 immortality as well since they cannot be killed?

I don't think that's enough to qualify Invulnerability tbh. It simply says they cannot be killed, it doesn't say "They cannot be injured." It's actually harder to justify Invulnerability than it is to justify Immortality Type 5. If anything, I would propose that instead of invulnerability unless there is more context of being immune to conventional attacks.

But everything else looks good.

 

[Minaaaa]

I don't think that's enough to qualify Invulnerability tbh. It simply says they cannot be killed, it doesn't say "They cannot be injured." It's actually harder to justify Invulnerability than it is to justify Immortality Type 5. If anything, I would propose that instead of invulnerability unless there is more context of being immune to conventional attacks.

We see while Raiga was fighting one, the Horror was damaged by the Makai Blade but took zero damage from a random pipe he picked up.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

I don't think that's enough to qualify Invulnerability tbh. It simply says they cannot be killed, it doesn't say "They cannot be injured." It's actually harder to justify Invulnerability than it is to justify Immortality Type 5. If anything, I would propose that instead of invulnerability unless there is more context of being immune to conventional attacks.

I heavily disagree with that notion. And I'd say our own pages would suggest otherwise:

Characters with such powers may simply be unaffected by normal attacks, necessitating the use of things like Durability Negation to get through. Others have more conditional invulnerability, such as one that just prevents harm from conventional weaponry, but can be easily circumvented by supernatural abilities. It can be considered the defensive equivalent of Durability Negation, negating simple Attack Potency, though one should be careful not to apply No Limits Fallacy.

(from our Invulnerability page)
Fits this case almost to a T, and it's fairly simple to prove all things considered (literally just show them being unharmed by attacks from opponents that would otherwise be comparable besides using specific ways, like we have for the Horrors)

Deathless Immortality: Characters who exist unbound by conventional life or death, or do not exist at all, and thus cannot be traditionally killed. Typically, abilities such as Existence Erasure are needed to destroy them.

Completely removed from what it's being shown here, and difficult to prove outside verses with complex hax abilities and/or contexts.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

We see while Raiga was fighting one, the Horror was damaged by the Makai Blade but took zero damage from a random pipe he picked up.

You should add this to the justification btw

 

[Minaaaa]

You should add this to the justification btw

added

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

(from our Invulnerability page)
Fits this case almost to a T, and it's fairly simple to prove all things considered (literally just show them being unharmed by attacks from opponents that would otherwise be comparable besides using specific ways, like we have for the Horrors)

I know exactly what the rules for Invulnerability are, I was one of the people on the thread about the specific mechanics. There were a lot of complaints about it being prone to NLF, and some people wanted to delete it as an ability altogether. But it's defined as "Attack Potency Nullification hax" basically as opposed to raw durability. Our standard assumption for characters who are basically never shown to be damaged from conventional attacks is merely to upscale durability from everyone and everything around them. Exception is lore based description that they have an immunity to traditional attacks that do not meet criteria. Agnaa elaborated here.

But the question is, is there an explained mechanism besides mere "Consistently portrayed to take 0 damage from all basic attacks." And usually, "They can still be injured, they just can't be killed" is often seen as a counter argument against Invulnerability combined with supporting evidence for some type of Regeneration/Immortality at least. Though I already noticed how Horrors are intangible; which intangibility (Immaterial) would basically already cover being "Immune to conventional weapons."

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

. Our standard assumption for characters who are basically never shown to be damaged from conventional attacks is merely to upscale durability from everyone and everything around them. Exception is lore based description that they have an immunity to traditional attacks that do not meet criteria.

Our standard assumption when we have no other reason, as opposed to this case where we actually have an explanation. You can see in the clip Minaaa sent, the character can damage the Horror with a specific weapon, yet when trying a normal object, it did no damage; this combined with the guidebook statement already listed before. Invulnerability here is completely justified.

But the question is, is there an explained mechanism besides mere "Consistently portrayed to take 0 damage from all basic attacks." And usually, "They can still be injured, they just can't be killed" is often seen as a counter argument against Invulnerability combined with supporting evidence for some type of Regeneration/Immortality at least. Though I already noticed how Horrors are intangible; which intangibility (Immaterial) would basically already cover being "Immune to conventional weapons."

We have a stated reason why they can't be damaged normally, and we are shown direct proof of such. Intangibility is not the reason.

We see while Raiga was fighting one, the Horror was damaged by the Makai Blade but took zero damage from a random pipe he picked up.

You can see the pipe legit hitting her and making her hair flip, so it has the required NPI. It still did no damage, while the Makai Blade did. It's legit a completely straightforward case.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Our standard assumption when we have no other reason, as opposed to this case where we actually have an explanation. You can see in the clip Minaaa sent, the character can damage the Horror with a specific weapon, yet when trying a normal object, it did no damage; this combined with the guidebook statement already listed before. Invulnerability here is completely justified.

The guidebook statement was all I really needed. Invulnerability to weapons that lack purification is alright.

 

[Minaaaa]

This should be fine to upload now?

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

The guidebook statement was all I really needed. Invulnerability to weapons that lack purification is alright.

It was on the sandbox from the start

This should be fine to upload now?

Should be fine

 

[FinePoint]

It was on the sandbox from the start

There might've been a little confusion because the justification and the scan said different things, which has now been corrected.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

There might've been a little confusion because the justification and the scan said different things, which has now been corrected.

The difference was negligible frankly. But doesn't matter, stuff got accepted anyways.

 

[Minaaaa]

Everythings been updated

 

[FinePoint]

Everythings been updated

Then I will close this.