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Introduction
This thread is both super simple and not at the same time. Here's Ichibe. You'll notice there's 2 changes: 1) I got rid of the two keys (original I thought Ichibe was gonna be nerfed like the other Squad 0 members, this wasn't the case), I'm not gonna talk about that since it's self explanatory, but 2) a 2-C proposal lol, that I will outline the argument.
Tier 2 Ichibe Argument (CONCEDED UPON due to Qawsdef's reasoning)
The argument is more or less completely outlined in the AP justification, but allow me to restate and clarify.
The keyword from episode 27, gives this interesting statement: He not only presides over the true names of all things in existence, but since the beginning of Soul Society, all natural phenomena and events were gifted names by him, and to grant something a name is to exert one's influence and interfere with all that has a name. (万物の「真名」を司る存在であり、尸魂界の開闢以来、あらゆる物象や事象に「名」を与え、名を与えたものに干渉し影響を及ぼす事ができる。) This establishes the first premise, Ichibe's can significantly affect of the entire Bleach cosmos in the sense of what the Reio explicitly created. Which we see to be true, his power affects the World of the Living as seen with Zangetsu's name be stricken out, it explicitly affects Soul Society in TYBW Episode 27, and in CFYOW we see it affect a random Kyogoku within the Garganta as seen by Ikomikidomoe having his name stricken out.
Ok, but what about the timeline tho? Admittedly, I believe there is room for more skepticism here (hence the likely rating), but I think a decent case can still be made. In TYBW Episode 27, we see Ichibe use Futen Taisatsuryo to steal 100 nights of dark from Soul Society's future. This means that Ichibe's ability possesses the capacity to influence across the timeline rather than just the present.
Ok pt. 2, but what about the entire timeline? This gets at the core of the likely rating. While, we don't see Ichibe explicitly do something to the entire timeline, we do know his ability extends across time, and also all of existence. Meaning existence in this case is contextualized beyond just the present but across time as well. So, the statement I translated above would entail he can affect the entire timeline. The logic is as follows -> Ichibe's power affects all existence -> through Futen Taisatsuryo we see time is included in the definition of existence contextually -> therefore all of existence encompasses all of time, since time is a portion of the whole of existence -> thus Ichibe's dominion stretches across the entire timeline. Think of this analogy to bridge the understanding: you have a brief case (the brief case is existence), within that brief case you have a punch of ball pit balls (each ball is an aspect of existence, the natural phenomena for some balls, events for other balls, and time for a ball as well), when you pick up the brief case and move it you by extension move everything in the brief case. This is because all the balls are contained completely by the brief case. Similarly, knowing that time is completely encompassed by the definition of existence, to affect all of existence would include all of time.
Conclusion
You'll notice this thread is only Ichibe, that is intentional. I don't want to derail the discussion, and I would appreciate it if everyone respected that. I do believe this topic warrants careful consideration. That being said, love and peace and all that good stuff Vash said. God bless.
Agree: Tracer (2-C range), Dale (2-C range), Qaws (2-C range), Slayer (2-C range)
Neutral:
Disagree: Qaws (2-C AP)
This thread is both super simple and not at the same time. Here's Ichibe. You'll notice there's 2 changes: 1) I got rid of the two keys (original I thought Ichibe was gonna be nerfed like the other Squad 0 members, this wasn't the case), I'm not gonna talk about that since it's self explanatory, but 2) a 2-C proposal lol, that I will outline the argument.
The keyword from episode 27, gives this interesting statement: He not only presides over the true names of all things in existence, but since the beginning of Soul Society, all natural phenomena and events were gifted names by him, and to grant something a name is to exert one's influence and interfere with all that has a name. (万物の「真名」を司る存在であり、尸魂界の開闢以来、あらゆる物象や事象に「名」を与え、名を与えたものに干渉し影響を及ぼす事ができる。) This establishes the first premise, Ichibe's can significantly affect of the entire Bleach cosmos in the sense of what the Reio explicitly created. Which we see to be true, his power affects the World of the Living as seen with Zangetsu's name be stricken out, it explicitly affects Soul Society in TYBW Episode 27, and in CFYOW we see it affect a random Kyogoku within the Garganta as seen by Ikomikidomoe having his name stricken out.
Ok, but what about the timeline tho? Admittedly, I believe there is room for more skepticism here (hence the likely rating), but I think a decent case can still be made. In TYBW Episode 27, we see Ichibe use Futen Taisatsuryo to steal 100 nights of dark from Soul Society's future. This means that Ichibe's ability possesses the capacity to influence across the timeline rather than just the present.
Ok pt. 2, but what about the entire timeline? This gets at the core of the likely rating. While, we don't see Ichibe explicitly do something to the entire timeline, we do know his ability extends across time, and also all of existence. Meaning existence in this case is contextualized beyond just the present but across time as well. So, the statement I translated above would entail he can affect the entire timeline. The logic is as follows -> Ichibe's power affects all existence -> through Futen Taisatsuryo we see time is included in the definition of existence contextually -> therefore all of existence encompasses all of time, since time is a portion of the whole of existence -> thus Ichibe's dominion stretches across the entire timeline. Think of this analogy to bridge the understanding: you have a brief case (the brief case is existence), within that brief case you have a punch of ball pit balls (each ball is an aspect of existence, the natural phenomena for some balls, events for other balls, and time for a ball as well), when you pick up the brief case and move it you by extension move everything in the brief case. This is because all the balls are contained completely by the brief case. Similarly, knowing that time is completely encompassed by the definition of existence, to affect all of existence would include all of time.
Conclusion
You'll notice this thread is only Ichibe, that is intentional. I don't want to derail the discussion, and I would appreciate it if everyone respected that. I do believe this topic warrants careful consideration. That being said, love and peace and all that good stuff Vash said. God bless.
Agree: Tracer (2-C range), Dale (2-C range), Qaws (2-C range), Slayer (2-C range)
Neutral:
Disagree: Qaws (2-C AP)
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