Tanjiro vs Maki (7-5-0)

[Catbowtie]

Post-Type Zero Training Tanjiro vs Complete Heavenly Restriction Maki​

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• Attack Potency: 304.6 Tons
• Lifting Strength: Class 25
• Durability: 304.6 Tons

Attack Potency: 114.36 Tons
Lifting Strength: Class M
Durability: 114.36 Tons​

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Battle Assumptions:
Speed Equalized
Tanjiro is in his 8-A Tier
Both Combatants are In-Character
Battle's location is in Musutafu, Japan in the My Hero Academia Universe. The location can be left.
Both Combatants start 10 meters apart from one another​

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Combatants	Votes
Tanjiro	@Catbowtie, @CastoriceTheFifth, @Kavopaco, @Epyriel, @Ebihara, @Johner2133451, @Nierre
Maki	@Arkenis, @Eden_Warlock99, @noninho, @Duedate8898, @LaserPrecision
Inconclusive

 

[KnyRaizn]

Tanjiro slams quite easily. Besides the AP difference, he has better combat skills and can predict every attack from Maki by smell and his analytical prediction. He definitely knows how to handle high-risk, life-threatening situations better, and has much more experience than Maki.

 

[Catbowtie]

Tanjiro doesn’t have his Precognition in this Key and the AP difference is around 2.7 times.

 

[Arkenis]

Don't think this is fair. Sword battles are pretty much pointless with Maki making Tanjiro lose his main weapon basically at the start of the battle. Also Tanjiro has to start in his demon mark making his amps useless as well which is more of a disadvantage here. This should be type zero key if anything.

 

[Catbowtie]

Changed.

 

[Arkenis]

Don't think much changes, Tanjiro still fights with his sword and not knowing Maki's sword is gonna cut right through his will do him in right away. He won't die of course, but I don't him winning without a sword and still needing to avoid her.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Tanjiro negs her. More AP and skill

 

[Arkenis]

Tanjiro negs her. More AP and skill

His ap is barely enough to do anything here, she can heal and can fight with her organs falling out so it matters little. And at this point how is Tanjiro more skilled? How would the skill even prevent him from outmaneuvering her in midair or her senses? Hell his precog is something Maki has in addition to sensing everything around her for hundreds of meters.

 

[MintyBoi1]

Oh it’s an earlier key. Guess Maki wins then

 

[Catbowtie]

His ap is barely enough to do anything here, she can heal and can fight with her organs falling out so it matters little.

• Regeneration Negation (High-Mid; Tanjiro's Hinokami Kagura/Sun Breathing negates demon's regenerative abilities and makes the slashed portion feel as though it's burning)

As per SBA, this is Tanjiro fresh off of being able to use Dancing Flash. Also if this means anything

• Fake Rainbow: The user performs high-speed twists and rotations, thus creating afterimages mainly used to evade attacks. The afterimages work most effectively on enemies with good vision.

 

[Arkenis]

As per SBA, this is Tanjiro fresh off of being able to use Dancing Flash. Also if this means anything

That's for demons, do we know if it works on regular humans let alone the super healing factor HR has? And Fake Rainbow isn't going to work here, Maki will sense the change of air density and temperature in the afterimage and know not to attack or know to readjust herself after attacking to face where Tanjiro actually is. If anything she'll always see where he moved after the afterimage due to her kinetic vision being greater. Also the girl already fought Naoya who does afterimages and kept up with his movements.

 

[Catbowtie]

Yea, no the Regeneration Nullification doesn't work for Maki.

His ap is barely enough to do anything here, she can heal and can fight with her organs falling out so it matters little. And at this point how is Tanjiro more skilled? How would the skill even prevent him from outmaneuvering her in midair or her senses? Hell his precog is something Maki has in addition to sensing everything around her for hundreds of meters.

Tanjiro after Swordsmith Village is near Hashira level. Through Opening Thread, Tanjiro can detect openings to strike Maki. This works on the likes of Daki and Rui. Tanjiro fights middair without issue.

Tanjiro getting his sword broken isn't that big of an issue. Tanjiro can use Water Breathing to fight against Maki, something his Post-Demon Slayer Training counterpart was able to do easily.

 

[Arkenis]

Through Opening Thread, Tanjiro can detect openings to strike Maki. This works on the likes of Daki and Rui. Tanjiro fights middair without issue.

Maki's sensing this and evading it.

 

[Catbowtie]

Maki senses and evades Tanjiro smelling her weak points?

I think you misunderstood what Opening Thread is. Opening Thread is an ability that helps Tanjiro to best align his sword blade towards an opponent's neck to cut it in a single swing. Think of it as a guide for Tanjiro to follow to correctly aim and swing his blade. In their initial cqc, Maki would be able to disrupt Tanjiro's Opening Thread by virtue of having Soul Split Katana and cutting his sword, but it would come back online later into the fight after Tanjiro gets used to Maki's fighting style.

 

[Catbowtie]

Bump

 

[KnyRaizn]

Just one question, is speed equalized in general or if characters have techniques that increase their speed can be used?

 

[Catbowtie]

Techniques that increase speed can be used.

 

[KnyRaizn]

Techniques that increase speed can be used.

Well then Tanjiro's techniques are involved during the series helping him a lot, especially for the tenth form, it increases AP through rotation so it works on KE, it automatically increases speed too

 

[Catbowtie]

Bump

 

[LaserPrecision]

Maki senses and evades Tanjiro smelling her weak points?

I think you misunderstood what Opening Thread is. Opening Thread is an ability that helps Tanjiro to best align his sword blade towards an opponent's neck to cut it in a single swing. Think of it as a guide for Tanjiro to follow to correctly aim and swing his blade. In their initial cqc, Maki would be able to disrupt Tanjiro's Opening Thread by virtue of having Soul Split Katana and cutting his sword, but it would come back online later into the fight after Tanjiro gets used to Maki's fighting style.

Just to clarify, I think they were saying Maki evades any attack Tanjiro throws lead by his Opening Thread. Not that she dodges being smelled. Her analytical prediction let her effortlessly evade and pummel someone who was previously so fast they blitzed her from hundreds of meters away (Naoya). So against a person with equal speed (Due to speed equalization), evading Tanjiro's attacks should be relatively easy. I assume that's what Arkenis meant.

 

[Catbowtie]

Bump

 

[Catbowtie]

Going to go ahead and vote Tanjiro FRA

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Tanjiro FRA

 

[Catbowtie]

Counted. Thanks for coming in.

 

[Arkenis]

Voting for Maki if I haven't yet. I don't see Tanjiro doing much if he gets his sword destroyed by SSK and at this point Maki should have the edge in skill to land a few hits. Though considering the ap of JJK's tier 8 may change in the coming months this match may be nulled so do with that what you may.

 

[Kavopaco]

Ill go with Tanjiro, his multiples breathing forms that increase speed could close that skill gap. There's also Hinokami Kagura: Fake Rainbow, that works better with opponents with enhanced eyesight, which Maki has up to crazy levels. SSK is a huge issue tho, not because tanjiro having a broken sword is a detriment (Catbowtie has already mentioned he can fight with a broken one) but because she would pressumably need just a couple hits.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Voting for Maki if I haven't yet. I don't see Tanjiro doing much if he gets his sword destroyed by SSK and at this point Maki should have the edge in skill to land a few hits. Though considering the ap of JJK's tier 8 may change in the coming months this match may be nulled so do with that what you may.

I mean Tanjiro has fought with his sword destroyed before

 

[LaserPrecision]

Ill go with Tanjiro, his multiples breathing forms that increase speed could close that skill gap. There's also Hinokami Kagura: Fake Rainbow, that works better with opponents with enhanced eyesight, which Maki has up to crazy levels. SSK is a huge issue tho, not because tanjiro having a broken sword is a detriment (Catbowtie has already mentioned he can fight with a broken one) but because she would pressumably need just a couple hits.

A speed amp isn't that much of an issue. Refer to my previous comment here:

Just to clarify, I think they were saying Maki evades any attack Tanjiro throws lead by his Opening Thread. Not that she dodges being smelled. Her analytical prediction let her effortlessly evade and pummel someone who was previously so fast they blitzed her from hundreds of meters away (Naoya). So against a person with equal speed (Due to speed equalization), evading Tanjiro's attacks should be relatively easy. I assume that's what Arkenis meant.

Unless Tanjiro's speed amp is insane, it should be a non-factor.

 

[Arkenis]

I mean Tanjiro has fought with his sword destroyed before

Not a good thing either way is really the point. He loses range and thus has to get in closer and if he does then he gets met with Class M LS and well this is what Maki did to Sukuna with that.

 

[Epyriel]

Just to clarify, I think they were saying Maki evades any attack Tanjiro throws lead by his Opening Thread. Not that she dodges being smelled. Her analytical prediction let her effortlessly evade and pummel someone who was previously so fast they blitzed her from hundreds of meters away (Naoya). So against a person with equal speed (Due to speed equalization), evading Tanjiro's attacks should be relatively easy. I assume that's what Arkenis meant.

I don’t think that is enough. Cursed Naoya wasn’t very maneuverable and was mostly stuck moving in straight lines or big arcs.

Tanjiro gets a large speed boost from simply using any of his breathing techniques (some even moreso than others) and then gets an entire blitz gap speed boost from the Demon Slayer Mark on top of that. This already makes him arguably faster relative to Maki than Cursed Naoya, but then beyond that you have to add the fact that Tanjiro’s own precognition would help counter Maki’s analytic prediction, as well as the fact that Tanjiro is far more maneuverable than Cursed Naoya and more than capable of turning on a dime mid-air through Water Breathing.

On top of that higher AP and Durability (and arguably higher combat skills as well) only helps to seal the deal.

Voting Tanjiro.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

I don’t think that is enough. Cursed Naoya wasn’t very maneuverable and was mostly stuck moving in straight lines or big arcs.

Tanjiro gets a large speed boost from simply using any of his breathing techniques (some even moreso than others) and then gets an entire blitz gap speed boost from the Demon Slayer Mark on top of that. This already makes him arguably faster relative to Maki than Cursed Naoya, but then beyond that you have to add the fact that Tanjiro’s own precognition would help counter Maki’s analytic prediction, as well as the fact that Tanjiro is far more maneuverable than Cursed Naoya and more than capable of turning on a dime mid-air through Water Breathing.

On top of that higher AP and Durability (and arguably higher combat skills as well) only helps to seal the deal.

Voting Tanjiro.

Didn’t Blood tear Tanjiro also blitz Daki while being like weaker/slower than her originally.

 

[Epyriel]

Didn’t Blood tear Tanjiro also blitz Daki while being like weaker/slower than her originally.

Yep, although that involved basically a rage amp that left him on a single breath (so not sure how likely that is to manifest against Maki since she isn’t a remorseless cannibalistic serial killer).

 

[Ebihara]

Voting tanjiro cause epyriel's reasons.

 

[Eden_Warlock99]

Maki FRA

 

[Arkenis]

I don’t think that is enough. Cursed Naoya wasn’t very maneuverable and was mostly stuck moving in straight lines or big arcs.

It doesn't matter that Naoya moved in straight lines, Maki's senses will pick up on all the air being changed as Tanjiro moves around anyway. And Maki's gonna be moving too also.

own precognition

His precog off smell isn't helping him here, not against Maki's own senses keeping her aware of his every movement. And she can smell him too btw.

 

[Epyriel]

It doesn't matter that Naoya moved in straight lines, Maki's senses will pick up on all the air being changed as Tanjiro moves around anyway. And Maki's gonna be moving too also.

Sure, but she isn’t fast enough to do anything about it. The fact that Tanjiro is way lesser predictable than Naoya’s super projected straight lines is just one more added bonus.

His precog off smell isn't helping him here, not against Maki's own senses keeping her aware of his every movement. And she can smell him too btw.

They both have enhanced senses and the ability to predict each other’s next moves, but Tanjiro has the better speed and AP to actually do something about it.

 

[Arkenis]

Sure, but she isn’t fast enough to do anything about it.

I don't see how. Tanjiro's speed amps aren't really quantifiable beyond blitzing previously faster characters or characters he scaled to, Maki's senses let her keep up with someone previously blitzing her as well. Is there some other way to quantify the difference besides just saying he stacks speed amps?

 

[Epyriel]

I don't see how. Tanjiro's speed amps aren't really quantifiable beyond blitzing previously faster characters or characters he scaled to, Maki's senses let her keep up with someone previously blitzing her as well. Is there some other way to quantify the difference besides just saying he stacks speed amps?

Cursed Naoya didn’t have any precognition.

The difference is:

Speed Advantage + AP Advantage + Predictive Capabilities vs Predictive Capabilities

 

[Arkenis]

Speed Advantage + AP Advantage + Predictive Capabilities vs Predictive Capabilities

I was asking for how Tanjiro's amps would be fast enough that Maki's senses wouldn't matter. When has this Tanjiro blitzed someone with senses comparable to Maki maybe? And he barely has an ap advantage, nor does it matter since Maki's fine with taking hits from Sukuna's BF twice.

 

[Epyriel]

I was asking for how Tanjiro's amps would be fast enough that Maki's senses wouldn't matter. When has this Tanjiro blitzed someone with senses comparable to Maki maybe? And he barely has an ap advantage, nor does it matter since Maki's fine with taking hits from Sukuna's BF twice.

Was able to land heavy hits on Akaza who also has precognition, despite there being a much smaller gap in speed.