Sans vs Granolah (0-4-0)

[Johner2133451]

Sans

sans is a supporting character and the Genocide Route's final boss in the video game; Undertale. He is one of the guards of Snowdin Village. Lazy and frivolous with a knack for making puns and jokes, he has no interest in capturing humans, much to the chagrin of his brother, Papyrus. Despite his...

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Granolah

Granolah is a bounty hunter who is the last survivor of the Cerealian race, seeking revenge against Frieza for their destruction at the Saiyan Army's hands. Tier: At least 5-B | 2-C, higher with charged attack Key: Pre-Wish | Post-Wish Name: Granolah Origin: Dragon Ball Age: In his 50s Gender...

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Speed is Equal

Sans:

Granolah: @koopa3144, @LuffyRuffy46307, @Killerdrone123, @ChoursDropoff

Incon:

 

[koopa3144]

So, whats stopping Granolah from just teleporting to Sans and smacking him? Even if you wanna say Sans can avoid it with his IA, Granolah can get past UI's IA with his right eye which is better then Sans' own IA.

 

[Johner2133451]

So, whats stopping Granolah from just teleporting to Sans and smacking him? Even if you wanna say Sans can avoid it with his IA, Granolah can get past UI's IA with his right eye which is better then Sans' own IA.

Could Granolah deal with Sans Danmaku? Also his reaction speed is higher than normal base speed

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

His assistant could help him protect himself from the bones too

 

[Myguy]

sans danmaku is overrated lmfao

literally just a bunch of plataform segments, a couple of "jumpscare" moments that you can easily react and telegraphed attacks that anyone can see coming from a mile away

he does not have this insane impossible to avoid danmaku that everyone claims that he has, FAR from it really

 

[StrymULTRA]

he does not have this insane impossible to avoid danmaku that everyone claims that he has, FAR from it really

Tell me who could beat Sans at 1st try in a blind walkthrough then.

 

[Myguy]

Tell me who could beat Sans at 1st try in a blind walkthrough then.

if someone irl can beat sans in their first try is irrelevant, point is that any character that is even remotely decent at dodging or has decent mobility can most likely pack sans lol

 

[StarShooter80]

Tell me who could beat Sans at 1st try in a blind walkthrough then.

Me, obviously

 

[StrymULTRA]

if someone irl can beat sans in their first try is irrelevant

It is actually, because you're basically saying that Sans' attacks can be no-diffed by anyone with skill that's above average.

point is that any character that is even remotely decent at dodging or has decent mobility

Frisk also can do that lol, but that's not enough. To defeat Sans you have either insane feats at dealing with Danmaku, or just REAL good adaptation stuff, because of Sans' attacks requiring a really good muscle memory and knowing the patterns to avoid them.

Now, I do not care about who wins here (also because Granolah does seem to have an advantage with the AI assistant, but I dislike Sans' fights in general), and I DO think that Sans' danmaku is overrated, but saying that anyone with basic acrobatics can easily shrug off Sans is just as bad as NLFing him.

 

[Myguy]

Frisk also can do that lol, but that's not enough. To defeat Sans you have either insane feats at dealing with Danmaku, or just REAL good adaptation stuff, because of Sans' attacks requiring a really good muscle memory and knowing the patterns to avoid them.

disagree with this, at this point frisk has zero/close to zero experience with plataforming or acrobatics, so it makes sense they would struggle so much

its not like sans makes frisk survive a mario kaizo level or anything like that, if you see his attacks they are not that complex, they are just extremely punishing for someone who doesnt know what they are doing-which is frisk case

i do admit that saying that any character with decent mobilty can pack sans was a dumb take tho, since missing one jump can pretty much end the fight and sans loves hitting us with the jumpscare combo in his second phase

 

[koopa3144]

Could Granolah deal with Sans Danmaku

He has a lot of ways of dealing with it. He can pretty easily teleport out of the way of Sans attacks, block them with a forcefield, or just destroy them with Ki attacks.

Also his reaction speed is higher than normal base speed

Granolah shouldn't have too much trouble tagging Sans' due to his Analytical Prediction and if he needs to he can cause a large AoE explosion that Sans can't avoid.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Granola easily, he teleports behind Sans and hakai him that he won't even go to the afterlife.

 

[Johner2133451]

Ok I assuming you guys voting Granola?

Granola easily, he teleports behind Sans and hakai him that he won't even go to the afterlife.

He has a lot of ways of dealing with it. He can pretty easily teleport out of the way of Sans attacks, block them with a forcefield, or just destroy them with Ki attacks.

Granolah shouldn't have too much trouble tagging Sans' due to his Analytical Prediction and if he needs to he can cause a large AoE explosion that Sans can't avoid.

disagree with this, at this point frisk has zero/close to zero experience with plataforming or acrobatics, so it makes sense they would struggle so much

its not like sans makes frisk survive a mario kaizo level or anything like that, if you see his attacks they are not that complex, they are just extremely punishing for someone who doesnt know what they are doing-which is frisk case

i do admit that saying that any character with decent mobilty can pack sans was a dumb take tho, since missing one jump can pretty much end the fight and sans loves hitting us with the jumpscare combo in his second phase

His assistant could help him protect himself from the bones too

 

[Robo432343]

what even is sans wincon

 

[Johner2133451]

what even is sans wincon

Usually danmaku and reaction speed higher than normal speed

 

[koopa3144]

Ok I assuming you guys voting Granola?

Ye.

 

[LuffyRuffy46307]

Ok I assuming you guys voting Granola?

Yep

 

[StrymULTRA]

disagree with this, at this point frisk has zero/close to zero experience with plataforming or acrobatics, so it makes sense they would struggle so much

Dude, it's literally bullet hell, acrobatics are mandatory to deal with this sort of attack in the 1st place.

This reminds me of that thread where it was argued unironically that Goku would no diff Touhou danmaku because he had acrobatics and none of the Touhous had it in the profiles, please don't take it here too.

its not like sans makes frisk survive a mario kaizo level or anything like that, if you see his attacks they are not that complex, they are just extremely punishing for someone who doesnt know what they are doing

You're still saying that Sans attacks are fundamentally easy, when no player, no matter how experienced with games prior, could beat Sans 1st try.

i do admit that saying that any character with decent mobilty can pack sans was a dumb take tho, since missing one jump can pretty much end the fight and sans loves hitting us with the jumpscare combo in his second phase

Maybe because acrobatics ain't enough, but you need to memorize the pattern of said attacks too? You're pretty much underestimating Sans here.

 

[Johner2133451]

Dude, it's literally bullet hell, acrobatics are mandatory to deal with this sort of attack in the 1st place.

This reminds me of that thread where it was argued unironically that Goku would no diff Touhou danmaku because he had acrobatics and none of the Touhous had it in the profiles, please don't take it here too.

You're still saying that Sans attacks are fundamentally easy, when no player, no matter how experienced with games prior, could beat Sans 1st try.

Maybe because acrobatics ain't enough, but you need to memorize the pattern of said attacks too? You're pretty much underestimating Sans here.

Do you want to vote Sans here?

 

[StrymULTRA]

Do you want to vote Sans here?

As I said, idgaf about this fight, I'm just fighting misinformation about Sans' attacks being child's play for anyone with basic Acrobatics, when it's blatantly untrue.

 

[TheGreatBanana]

What's stops Granolah from teleportinh instantly into sans and knocking him with a single strike?

 

[Killerdrone123]

Granolah probably won't even bother with sans and send his clones after him and if things gets hasty he would literally catch sans off guard with his true self and one shot him

Yeah voting granolah fra

 

[ChoursDropoff]

I vote Granolah he has more blatant showing.

What's stops Granolah from teleportinh instantly into sans and knocking him with a single strike?

Nothing Granolah can casually atomize him with a ki shout.

 

[StrymULTRA]

TBH thinking about it, what is Sans' actual wincon?

Granola's AI assistant counters really hard his whole danmaku as Sans' attacks are based on needing to know the pattern to avoid these, and the AI assistant not only gives to Granola the way to dodge them, but also helped him to outdo MUI's Goku IA (which has better feats than Sans'), other than being able to use clones and teleportation mid-fight.

Granola pretty much stomps here, I do not see a way for Sans to win here (also because Sans got stomped against Whis for this same reason).

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

Sans, whose biggest advantage is spam.

Granorah is a character very focused on vision and area control, clones, refined stealth and an AI that helps him know everything that is happening and the best way to deal with the opponent.

Sans is in trouble

 

[StrymULTRA]

Sans, whose biggest advantage is spam.

Granorah is a character very focused on vision and area control, clones, refined stealth and an AI that helps him know everything that is happening and the best way to deal with the opponent.

Sans is in trouble

Do I ask this to get closed?

Also the speed of y'all spamming the FRA train, def didn't see it coming.

 

[UnoRebaixadO]

Do I ask this to get closed?

Also the speed of y'all spamming the FRA train, def didn't see it coming.

maybe sans fans will rise from the ashes

 

[StrymULTRA]

maybe sans fans will rise from the ashes

You talk with the guy who downgraded Sans like twice.

Besides no UT fan has shown interest so far here, and they tend to come pretty quickly.

 

[Arkansalter2]

FRA.

 

[LittleGuy99]

You talk with the guy who downgraded Sans like twice.

Besides no UT fan has shown interest so far here, and they tend to come pretty quickly.

I don't see how Sans can win here, as you said it looks like a stomp