About Professor Paradoxes Acausality rating

[Okstrike]

On his current page, Professor Paradox is given type 4 Acausality, which doesn't make any sense with what is stated in the show

Type 4 Acausality is given to characters who exist on an independent system of cause and effect, still bound to causality, but not to the normal system of it

My problem is that Paradox is stated on more than one occasion to exist outside of time not on an independent system of time or out of sync with time like the CS

I do know that there must be some sort of evidence linking causality to time for this to qualify for type 5, but as previously accepted on these forums time = causality in Ben 10 (for context, this is because time itself is the system of cause and effect in Ben 10 which is further backed by Paradox himself, as destroying all time destroys causality itself)

Paradox has also been unaffected by the destruction of time/causality by the CSTB, and was implied to have been unaffected by the Annihilarrgh's complete destruction of the universe and space-time (Since no one else did, Paradox should not have knowledge of Ben recreating the universe up to this point in the story unless he too was unaffected Annihilarrgh and wasn't a part of Ben's recreation of the universe)

So what I'm proposing is that Paradox's Acausality rating should be upgraded to type 5 rather than type 4

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Will I disagree because there many characters capable of interacting with him

 

[ABSOLUTE-ABSTRACT-KING]

Many characters can physically interact with him, if you can counter this antifeat, then his acausuality type 5 will be ok

 

[Okstrike]

Will I disagree because there many characters capable of interacting with him

Many characters can physically interact with him, if you can counter this antifeat, then his acausuality type 5 will be ok

I'm pretty sure that isn't how it works, characters existing within causality can interact with one's who have T5A, the latter simply can not be harmed/killed during their interaction

I think a good example would be the ultimate Gods (who are accepted to have T5A), during the events of TTGOTSK, Randolph Carter entered the ultimate void and interacted with the Supreme Archetype

 

[Reiner04]

Nope.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

I'm pretty sure that isn't how it works, characters existing within causality can interact with one's who have T5A, the latter simply can not be harmed/killed during their interaction

Type 5: Causality Transcendence: Characters with this type of Acausality are completely independent of cause and effect, existing outside causality. Characters of this nature require evidence of being unable to be changed by any effect that relies on a system of causality, meaning that interacting with them normally is impossible.

It cannot be interact with creatures that have Acausality Type 5, which doesn't apply to Paradox, as it can be interacted with him (shown here, here, here, etc....). You can make an argument for Bellicus and Serena.

I think a good example would be the ultimate Gods (who are accepted to have T5A), during the events of TTGOTSK, Randolph Carter entered the ultimate void and interacted with the Supreme Archetype

So it should be removed and removed Tier 0 from him

 

[Okstrike]

Type 5: Causality Transcendence: Characters with this type of Acausality are completely independent of cause and effect, existing outside causality. Characters of this nature require evidence of being unable to be changed by any effect that relies on a system of causality, meaning that interacting with them normally is impossible.

Judging by the sentence before this, I think my point still stands, cause and change are two separate concepts, sure you interact with Paradox (eg, Kevin could grab Paradox by the shirt) but there is no evidence that there would be a change afterward, this further backed by Parardox's interaction with Hugo, the latter was interacting with and pushing Paradox, but he was in no way affected by causes such as Hugos accelerated aging

Analogy: Nyarlathotep can strike his master (Azathoth) on the head, Azathoth was unaffected by it, so it wouldn't make sense to downgrade Azathoths tier 0 rating off of that

It cannot be interact with creatures that have Acausality Type 5, which doesn't apply to Paradox, as it can be interacted with him (shown here, here, here, etc....). You can make an argument for Bellicus and Serena.

Already gave a solution to second and third clips above

As for the first one, Eon has been implied before to exist on the same level of existence as Paradox, so It isn't far-fetched to assume he has a way around acausality (this could also explain how Serena and Bellicus threatened to, and were about to erase Paradox)

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

its just higher degree acausality 4 ig but strong one

 

[Eseseso]

This just means his Acausality 4 gives him resistance to Causality Manipulation

 

[Shiedaisthepeak]

This just means his Acausality 4 gives him resistance to Causality Manipulation

Yes...no strictly speaking, if the infinite is causally independent and transcendent as it is said, but there is an anti feat for acausality 5, this will only be layers that go infinitely for acausality 4

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Just need @Firestorm808. He's the one who's going to determine the end here.

 

[Firestorm808]

Will look at soon. Next in line of 6 current B10 threads.

 

[Firestorm808]

Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This has the potential to grant them resistances to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others, depending on its shown capabilities which should be specified on the given page.

Type 5: Causality Transcendence: Characters with this type of Acausality are completely independent of cause and effect, existing outside causality. Characters of this nature require evidence of being unable to be changed by any effect that relies on a system of causality, meaning that interacting with them normally is impossible.

Note that being utterly and totally immutable is something that, strictly speaking, is only guaranteed for characters with a Tier 0 rating, while lesser characters can only have likewise lesser forms of the ability by their own nature. They may, however, have a particularly potent form of immutability bestowed upon them by a Tier 0.

Note: Being completely independent of space, time, laws, or similar forces does not make you completely independent of causality without the relationship between these forces and causality being clarified, with it only being considered as evidence for an irregular relationship with causality otherwise.


I disagree that Paradox's Acausality is outside of any form of causality system.

 

[Okstrike]

Note: Being completely independent of space, time, laws, or similar forces does not make you completely independent of causality without the relationship between these forces and causality being clarified, with it only being considered as evidence for an irregular relationship with causality otherwise.


I disagree that Paradox's Acausality is outside of any form of causality system.

Hasn't it already been accepted on this site that Time = Causality in Ben 10?

 

[Firestorm808]

Hasn't it already been accepted on this site that Time = Causality in Ben 10?

Time is a form of causality, but I'm referring to "any and all forms" of causality for Type 5. "Interacting with them normally is impossible." They are "immutable."

 

[Firestorm808]

Is there anything else needed here?

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

No 2 staffs disagree with it

 

[Firestorm808]

Okay.