Muzan vs Sukuna

[CastoriceTheFifth]

For being hit with Cursed Energy, Muzan has resistance to that.


Unless Cursed Energy somehow has the same potency as Tamayo's Drug which ages Muzan 50 years per minute, Muzan will just heal the "weakening of the body" through Regeneration.

He also has potential resistance to the cursing as the demon slayer mark applies a curse onto the user that will kill them no matter what. Kokushibo avoided the curse by turning into a demon.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

He also has potential resistance to the cursing as the demon slayer mark applies a curse onto the user that will kill them no matter what. Kokushibo avoided the curse by turning into a demon.

I don't understand how physical poisoning can be considered on the same level as cursed energy poisoning, which is abstract in nature and originates from the negative feelings and thoughts of others.

Additionally, the Slayer Mark curse seems to be physical contact based, as it manifests in people who come into contact with it, rather than spreading through an abstract medium like cursed energy in Jujutsu Kaisen. I don't think it's fair to compare a physical medium with an abstract one as if they were the same.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Muzan is someone who has no patience and would not entertain someone who dare opposes him. He would end the fight as quickly as possible with his 4.3x AP advantage to Sukuna's durability. Muzan has 11 different tentacles, and it would only take him 1 opportunity to dice Sukuna into pieces easily as all 11 of his tentacles are 4.3x stronger than Sukuna's durability. On top of that, all of Muzan's physicals attacks are coated in his blood. It is capable of instantly destroying his victims cells, causing rapid melting and vaporization, even to those with high passive resistance to bio hax such as the hashiras and slayers. It can also kill Upper moons who all have huge amounts of Muzan's blood and can withstand poisons that can kill demons 700 times over. The upper moons are also incapable of adapting to his blood as high dosages will instantly kill them. All of Muzan's slashes naturally contains huge dosages as his blood as proven when Tanjiro instantly got one shotted with only 3 quick slashes. This is backed by Kokushibo who stated that it takes a huge amount of blood to affect Demon Slayers and it takes several days to even affect them on top of that. Muzan also has range attacks such as his energy blast and a long range full aoe shockwave attack that can severely damage Sukuna as well.

Indeed, but Muzan won't be free to do any of that. As it's already proven, Muzan would be faced with all of Sukuna's shikigamis constantly attacking him, so even if he has 11 tentacles, he still wouldn't be able to go after Sukuna when he is being ragdolled by the creatures he feels around him. His tentacles and limbs can extend to 10 meters. Sukuna, as I've already shown, DOESN'T fight at melee range when letting his shikigamis take front. He wasn't anywhere close to Yorozu when she was getting ragdolled by the shikigami, and he has no reason to do that here. He knows Muzan cannot destroy his shikigami, he has no reason to leave his shadow.

It does not matter if Sukuna gives Muzan a CQC fight as Muzan has the means to combat this. His ranged attacks with his energy ball and full aoe shockwave can catch Sukuna to the ground and finish him off from there. Muzan with his vast control of the Infinity fortress can easily just teleport Sukuna right in front of him or teleport himself to Sukuna and slice him into pieces. He can also constantly shift the infinity fortress into his favor. Muzan can constantly spam teleport the Shikigamis outside of the infinity fortress as he has infinite stamina to do so. It would just be a 1VS1 against Sukuna.

He won't be able to ignore the shikigamis. This fight is not an 1v1, and I've already proven Sukuna won't be in Muzan's range. Even if he tried teleporting Sukuna, Sukuna can and will use rabbit escape to use his rabbits as shield against any attack, just so he can get back into his shadow. Also, every time Muzan uses IC, Mahoraga's adaptation gets faster.

Even if Muzan teleports them out, Sukuna can always respawn them. We saw him despawn and respawn Mahoraga when he was fighting Gojo, that is not a problem.

It would not matter if Sukuna retreats into his shadows as Muzan's bio hax that had already spread throughout his body will finish him off inside due to how strong his bio hax is. The fact that Sukuna is so badly injured from Muzan's attack that he would retreat into his shadows is enough for his blood to finish him off there and then. To add on to this, if Sukuna even needed to retreat back into the shadows in the first place, there is really no reason for Muzan to not have killed him as his 11 tentacles would've just sliced him into pieces and decapitate his head off due to all 11 tentacles having a 4.3x AP advantages.

Not necessarily. You have already shown us pages that shows Tanjiro alive. Suffering, bit still alive on the ground. Also, Zenitsu, Inosuke and Kanao all fought Muzan and didn't get bio haxed to death. Muzan has limited range, and Sukuna won't go CQC. Also, once again, I've already shown that Sukuna uses rabbit escape as a shield when attacked, just so he can get back into his shadows. And even if he gets hit by bio hax, the fact characters do not instantly die is proof enough that Sukuna has time to perform surgery. He can stop his blood flow completely and replace all of his blood, alongside recreating any body part he lost as long as its not his brain. He also has Agito to help with healing.

There is nothing that Mahoraga would adapt to combat the Infinity Fortress. Unlike the fortress, Domain Expansions are shown being capable of being destroyed from the inside but is just really resistant. Mahoraga also adapted to Unlimited Void's sure hit cursed technique and the CE powered domain to destroy the domain. Infinity fortress has nothing like this. We don't even know if he can even adapt to the infinity fortress, or the teleporting sure hit of it because nothing is hitting him. Domains like unlimited void creates a separate space and destroying the domain would let it disappear and nothing remains from it. The infinity fortress remains itself still exists even after Nakime has fully died and disappeared, meaning the materials of the infinity fortress aren't a blood demon art, theyre actual wood. Even if Mahoraga somehow adapts to it, hitting the ground wouldn't do anything as theyre just normal wood separate from the BDA. He'd have to attack Nakime as she is the center of the infinity fortress and all of space for infinity fortress warps around her. It also takes a long time to even adapt to something if the hax is complicated. There are so many assumptions that are involved with this win con that its a reach compared to simply just saying Muzan lops Sukuna's head off with his 11 tentacles, one shot him with bio hax, or flat out just teleporting Sukuna infront of him and instantly killing him.

Domains can be broken from the inside IF you find where the wall is, but it's literally said to be impossible to do so, and aa you can see in the page, Mahoraga doesn't hit the wall nor anything. He simply breaks the domain down instantly by hitting the ground. He didn't break the domain from the inside like someone would, and that's clear. I literally provided proof that Mahoraga is able to deactivate/destroy/nullify any ability he adapts to, and none of what you said contradicts what is happening in those pages.

Domains do not "stop existing" when broken. A Domain Expansion is literally you manifestating your Innate Domain. Anyways, he can adapt to IC, because he is being affected by it when he's pulled into it and is forced to change positions inside of it. His position is space is being manipulated, that's an ability, that's a phenomena.

The ground also is separate from the domain. Do you really think hitting is a way to escape a domain? The ground is literally a construct from the domain, it isn't its shell. It works just like IC, and as I said, both are PRM, so according to VsBattle wiki, both are the same, so it's indeed fair to say Mahoraga would break it the same way he broke Unlimited Void. He simply broke it down because it was the domain itself. He didn't destroy the shell, he destroyed the domain itself.

Like I said before, he would only retreat into his shadows over life or death injuries and not some booboo. He would be one shotted and finished off by the bio hax due to being severely crippled from Muzan's tentacles and 4.3x AP advantage. Slayers like Tanjiro who has high passive resistance to Muzan's blood hax got completely one shotted out of nowhere and was actually dead due to the fact that he was incapable of manually resisting it with total concentration breathing/bloodflow control after the full effect of Muzan's blood got to him. When he got one shotted, Tanjiro was incapable of breathing and his heart stopped. For Sukuna to actually resist Muzan's bio hax with his bloodflow control, he'd have to be aware of it like the hashiras after seeing what happened to Tanjiro to slow down the effects, which Sukuna wouldn't be able to since he wont find out until after the full effects of it one shots him. This also includes Muzan's bio hax affecting Sukuna's guts and brain, cellularly destroying both of them.

Not really. I already provided pages in my previous posfs and already explained this, so I won't repeat myself once again, but Sukuna literally was fully healed in the majority of times he retreated into his shadows. The other times, he simply went there to plan his next moves and watch as Mahoraga was showing the results of hid adaptation. I already went through how this IS in character for him to do.

Like I said previously, he has 11 different whip like tentacles that all have a 4.3x AP advantage with all of them targeting Sukuna. They would all be enough to slash sukuna into pieces and cut his head off. Even if he somehow escapes into the shadows, Muzan's bio hax will finish him off due to how strong his hax is and how heavily injured Sukuna is. Sukuna would not retreat into his shadows for a simple booboo. He would retreat into the shadows for life-or-death injuries and injuries that have him crippled to the ground, therefore the blood hax finishing him in the shadows.

His hax wasn't enough to instantly finish normal humans with no healing factor, so I don't believe he would be able to finish Sukuna, who can control his bloodflow, live without his heart, perform surgery on himself and execute an impossible move while on the verge of death. Unless he is killed instantly, he will recover from it.

Muzan was capable fighting against being jumped by the hashiras and the kamado squad until sunrise despite rapidly weakening due to being drugged and that said drugs having 4 different stages all specifically targeting Muzan's demonic biology. Muzan remained above town level even at the end of the fight after all the massive weakening he has gone through with the drug. Keep in mind the town level feat he scales to is from Upper moon 4 and all the other upper moons and hashiras above her far upscales from it. So we don't know how prominent the curses will be against him. Even if we say the curse would stack up, they would be unknown general curses rather than the drug that specifically targeted Muzan's demonic biology. This would not be a reliable win con for Sukuna itself and is practically doesn't matter when his only main win con is Mahoraga.

Doesn't matter, because we know what curses do. They weaken whoever is cursed until they can't stand it and die, and that's weak curses. Sukuna is treated as a lethal poison because he is the strongest sorcerer, his curse is unmatched. It is literally explained in the work that anyone who consumed his fingers died because of his curse. So yes, we do have confirmation that his curse is strong enough to kill people with no resistance to curses. Muzan has no way to resist that. Some hits in and it's over,.

Like I said before, he would be capable of fighting with the debuffs and maintain being above town level as shown with his fight while being drugged for several hours. Going along with this win con and assuming mahoraga somehow magically adapts despite me already explaining the issues behind this, holding down Muzan wouldn't work either. Muzan was held down before and countered it by absorbing them. He would just absorb the shikigamis and then finish Sukuna off. Muzan also has ranged energy blasts and full aoe shockwaves like mentioned previously to catch Sukuna lacking.

I understand that, but that was a poison. A poison that although weakened Muzan, he still was able to resist somewhat and fight through it. He had already shown resistance to poisons before. But a curse is no normal poison. He has never resisted a curse, and Sukuna is said to have be most potent curse of all. Even outside of his finger form, there's no reason to doubt that the curse caused by his attacks would be any weaker. Muzan has no resistance to curses.

Sukuna's only win condition isn't easier to achieve. Sukuna's win condition relies on heavy stalling and dragging out the fight for an adaption that requires heavy assumption to know if it is even possible or not. All the shikigamis gets countered by BFR/Infinity fortress manipulation. There is no actual plausible reasoning for why this is easier to achieve than Muzan's fast win cons of either slicing him with all 11 tentacles having 4.3x ap advantage, one shot bio hax, and BFR/Infinity fortress. Like genuinely how is Sukuna's complicated win con harder than Muzan's simple win con with him teleporting Sukuna to him or teleporting to Sukuna himself and slicing him into pieces alongside his bio hax, something that is in character for Muzan to do.

It relies on stalling, yes, but no heavy stalling. Muzan mainly fights through his tentacles and blood, so Mahoraga would adapt to his properties pretty fast. At the same time, the shikigamis would apply curses constantly to Muzan, until he wouldn't be able to resist them. Muzan has no resistance to curses, there's NO reason to believe he would be able to still fight when faced with a deadly curse. Sukuna would have no problem casting Furnace then.

Incarnation wouldnt really matter as he'd already be dead long before any sort of adaption happens or him being able to reincarnate. Actually this would be a massive loss to Sukuna if he does that since you said he loses the ten shadows, his only win con. The fight wouldnt be dragged on long enough for Muzan to be cursed enough as every single attack will cripple Sukuna to the ground. Muzan being cursed might probably not even be enough either since he still fought getting jumped till sunrise despite being drugged for 5 hours.

Incarnation is instant. The moment he wanted to incarnate against Kashimo, the process was already ready. Once again, Tanjiro was able to stay alive even after being hit and bio haxxed, and Tanjifo is unable to stop his bloodflow, perform surgery on himself and live without his organs. Unless Sukuna is instantly killed, he would be able to heal through Muzan's bio hax.

All of Sukuna's slow win cons gets negated by how the fight instantly ends the moment Muzan using the infinity fortress to teleport to Sukuna and kill him, which is really easy and simple to do.

Not really. Sukuna still has all of his shikigamis, and I don't remember Muzan's starting move being teleporting his opponent into his face to instantly kill him. Couldn't he have done that to every single slayer when he brought everyone to IC? Even weakened, the way you talk about it makes it seem like it's impossible to avoid or survive it. If that's the case, why didn't he do it instead of letting the upper moons fight?

Either way, Sukuna still has Rabbit Escape and his shadows to protect himself from that. Not only that, but trying that would just make Mahoraga's adaptation complete faster.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

He also has potential resistance to the cursing as the demon slayer mark applies a curse onto the user that will kill them no matter what. Kokushibo avoided the curse by turning into a demon.

That probably has to do with the physical strain (which would explain why he survived, since he became a demon. The only person known to have survived it was Yoriichi, the peak of Demon Slayer.). It was never stated to be or work liķe a curse.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

For being hit with Cursed Energy, Muzan has resistance to that.


Unless Cursed Energy somehow has the same potency as Tamayo's Drug which ages Muzan 50 years per minute, Muzan will just heal the "weakening of the body" through Regeneration.

It's a curse, it's SORCERY. Tamayo's drug acted like a poison affecting Muzan's blood. Muzan's blood could fight the drugs effect, just like your body can resist any invading forces.

The damage caused by a curse cannot be stopped by simply regenerating your body. The curse will keep damaging your body and causing your extreme pain, and if the curse is left be, it will KILL you. How will regenerating his body remove the curse from him? A curse is NOT a disease. Muzan has no resistance to curses. But thanks, since you brought that, now you guys also know that the curse itself can also kill Muzan.

Regenerating his body won't remove the curse, that's not how curses work.

 

[Entity]

Sukuna fra

 

[MonarchInYellow]

In Yoriichi's fight against Muzan, Yoriichi flat out said that one scratch from Muzan would kill him. When the UNDISPUTED STRONGEST person IN THE VERSE, who has the INNATE RESISTANCE of a Demon Slayer Mark and can circumvent your blood with Total Concentration Breathing says that a single injection from your blood will kill him and got scared because of it, that HAS to mean something.

Yeah, it means something... to that verse. Sukuna is not a normal human. He can live without his heart, he can destroy and regenerate his organs, and also won't try absorbing Muzan's blood.

The point you're intentionally leaving is that the reason all those demons are dying, even with that amount of healing, is because they are trying to ABSORB Muzan's blood. They are trying to make their body accept it, and unless they are strong enough, they are unable to do that. Sukuna won't try to absorb it, he will remove it from his body, and he will be able to do that. He is shown to be able to perform surgery on himself, and as you said, purely by them controlling their breath and bloodflow they are able to buy time before the biohax kills them. Sukuna can literally live without his heart and control perfectly his own bloodflow. He is more than able to survive the bio hax amd heal through it.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

He didn't lose the Ten Shadows because of incarnation. He lost it due to Gojo destroying Mahoraga

Oh, thanks for the correction. It was completely my fault, I probably read a bad translation of that. I could swear he said he lost Ten Shadows after he incarnated. Well. If anything, that makes Sukuna's victory even easier, since not only he can heal through Muzan's bio hax, but even if it gets dangerous, he can incarnate AND keep Ten Shadows.

I really appreciate that info

 

[Catbowtie]

The damage caused by a curse cannot be stopped by simply regenerating your body. The curse will keep damaging your body and causing your extreme pain, and if the curse is left be, it will KILL you. How will regenerating his body remove the curse from him? A curse is NOT a disease. Muzan has no resistance to curses. But thanks, since you brought that, now you guys also know that the curse itself can also kill Muzan.

Regenerating his body won't remove the curse, that's not how curses work.

The Cursed Energy page explicitly says that it weakens the body and causes pain...Muzan resists pain and can regenerate the weakening. It takes at least a day for Cursed Energy to actually have an effect on regular people. Sukuna isn't building up enough Cursed Energy in such a small amount of time to actually have a meaningful effect on Muzan.

 

[Tengouk]

Irrelevant. Those same demons, even with their regeneration prowess, died whenever they lost their head or got exposed to their sun.

This entire text is just irrelevant and can be dismissed. The sun is a direct counter to their existence and no, losing heads doesn't equate to them dying. Yushiro got his entire head and neck crushed by a temari ball and was fine, Daki got her head kicked in and was fine. The temple-demon, a sub-FS tier demon, was implied to survive head crushing. Rage-amped Muichiro crushed woodland-mansion demon's head and survived and couldn't die until the sun, their arch-enemy and counter, killed him. Gyomei was forced to crush a stronger demon's head in until dawn because said demon, despite having his head crushed the entire time, survived. Please engage with the source material before replying to me.

Not only that, burning their cells literally hampers their regeneration. Just heating up your blade is enough to weaken their regeneration through the sheer heat burning their cells. Yes, Muzan regenerated right as Mitsuri cut him, what does that change?

"just heating up your blade" this is being dismissive of a nichirin's sword's property. They contain the power of the sun and thus can weaken their regeneration enough to cut off the lives of demons. It was never stated that heat alone damages them, only sun-absorbed fictional nichirin-blades further enhanced with red-blade qualities. Otherwise Akaza's regeneration would've been hampered with when Kyojuro melted the ground and when he engages in CQC when Kyojuro visibly exerted heat from his whole body, yet, such thing never happened. Unless you can properly quantify and rightfully equate Sukuna's heat to the power of sunlight infused into fictional steel of nichirin blades I'll have to dismiss this with hitchen's razor. This is actively ignoring in-verse rules.

Whenever Sukuna or his shikigamis damage Muzan, he will be cursed and get weaker.

Sukuna is no cursed spirit nor are the shikigami. Equating 'curse effect' to Sukuna and shikigami is an association fallacy. He doesn't have such ability and neither was that shown. Either way, Muzan has Disease Resistance listed on his page via Daki stating demons don't get sick. Muzan was plagued with a disease that will kill him before 20 then instantly negated that by turning into a fresh demon. At best the 'curse effect' scales to a fodder Maki, whom got no diffed by a building tier school-curse. Muzan negates this effect completely and is irrelevant in this discussion.

I was intentionally not going for this argument because honestly Sukuna doesn't even need this to win, but being honest, Muzan has no reason to be able to stay up after being cursed after a few attacks. He has NO curse resistance, and it's stated again and again in JJK that being cursed is enough to weaken and kill a person.

Again, "a person". The person in question being the average JJK human. This is Muzan, a demon with a completely different body physiology and capability to regenerate their entire body against a regular human with no such capability or feats at all. This point is null.

He will get damaged, ignore it, and suddenly he's on the ground unable to move.

That was what happened to First Year Maki after she got SCRATCHED by a strong, but nameless curse. Sukuna's cursed energy is way more potent than that. Muzan has no resistance to curses, he IS going down.

0.7 tons "strong curse" "Way more potent", (Sukuna has never displayed such ability) yet still unquantifable.

Also, Furnace is stronger than any attack Muzan has ever withstood, so YES, Furnace would reduce Muzan to ashes and kill him for good.

Pre-supposes that Furnace will hit Muzan directly, which is not gonna happen. MCB Choso survived this from a distance btw.

Fire Arrow sits at High 7-C, while Muzan's neck stays at 7-C.

Cool, gotta justify this featless attack speed hitting Muzan at close-range, let alone hit him in the first place before Muzan defends himself with faster attacks.

Burning demon's cells also stops their regen, that's literally how Yoriichi scarred Muzan to the point that he never completely healed.

False equivalence. What empirical evidence do you have to justify Yoriichi's burning equates to Furnace, which has no heating feats on the level of sun infused blades amped by BT's. Also, once again blatantly ignoring that this is a sun amped + nichirin sword combined sword. Muzan also states against Tanjiro that RB's don't affect his prime state at all, the only one whom even came close to such effect is Yoriichi. So again, Can you lay out a foundation of evidence to compare Yoriichi's to Furnace?

Sukuna's thermobaric explosions would literally puverize Muzan, and other Muzan supporters on this already agreed to this too, so no. Stop the cap.

Thermobaric explosions do not provably compare to the power of sunlight combined with the effect of regenerative power negation. I don't care what other "Muzan supporters" say. They most likely don't have the knowledge I have.

JJK "poison", in it's great majority, refers to curses, so yes, it is considered. Gyutaro's poison. What X character has or doesn't have doesn't matter. Muzan cannot perceive CE and cannot protect himself from curses, he IS getting affected.

Muzan has extraordinary senses and can sense things invisible to the eye via showings and via upscaling from Akaza, Inosuke's and Tengen's senses. All of which can sense attacks invisible to the eye or entire caves, buildings to forests. Kokushibo and Douma can also sense Akaza dying, so Muzan absolutely has senses to perceive curses and the likes. In fact, Toji can see curses due to having HR, which amplifies your senses. KNY has higher assertive sense scaling therefore Muzan will see Curses.

Muzan's senses > Akaza's senses > Inosuke's = Invisible to the eye.

Curses = Invisible to the eye > Regular JJK Humans.

Higher assertive scaling therefore higher assertive senses.

You clearly doesn't understand anything about Jujutsu Kaisen. No, Muzan is not able to tag Sukuna is CQC because of that. You didn't understand what the narrator meant by that, so let me explain that to you.

What you're quoting is: "Sukuna extra arms and mouths provide an immense advantage over other sorcerers". Why? Because of the other quote you purposefuly ignored. "Even when performing curse gestures, his hand's remained unfettered, and even when chanting a curs, his heart and lung remained unburdened".

You're baselessly presupposing I purposefully ignored it. I also don't care what the narrator states as multiple arms is the reason Kashimo struggled that much, evidently so, so I couldn't care less about your interpretation of the narrator's text when the showings support me even further. Both can coexist at once, this is not a rebuttal.

Sukuna's body was MADE for sorcery, that's why Kashimo's X-Ray vision saw him as perfect. His multiple lungs and his multiple mouths allowed him to CHANT any curse faster than ANY other sorcerer. His four arms allowed him to execute hand chants faster than ANYONE, or perform them WHILE using the other hands to fight. Muzan creating multiple arms won't change anything, he cannot use sorcery, so it would be absolutely useless agaisnt Sukuna. Please, refrain from lying. If you do not understand X or Y, you can ask me about it, but do not lie. I don't know if you didn't know or if you did it on purpose, but refrain from it.

Again presupposing I'm lying. Very condescending of you btw. I could accuse you of lying straight to my face about demons dying to crushed heads, yet I don't. And once again, both can co-exist at once. Whole lot of nothing said.

No, he is indeed the King of Lethal Poisons. That name comes from the fact that, he, himself, is a lethal poison.

Good luck justifying that is his name in the first place. He was never once refered to as king of lethal poisons, the cursed object is lethal, therefore the terms lethal poison. Sukuna himself once incarnated does not scale to such. The only example being the "king of curses and king of lethal poisons and toxins" quote, which as I explained earlier was a mistranslation.

Consuming any cursed object is toxic or humans, since anything that possesses cursed energy can and WILL curse you. That's why anyone who tried consuming Sukuna's fingers before Itadori (that weren't curses themselves) ended up dead. Sukuna is the most lethal poison (curse) of all.

That doesn't correlate that Sukuna is now poison resistant at all.

But it's stated over and over again in the series that Sukuna is also immune to all kinds of poison, so your BELIEF that Sukuna is unable to resist that fodder's poison is irrelevant. His page on VsBattle considers him immune to all kinds of poison, and so he is.

I'll wait until you justify that. If it is indeed stated "over and over again" why are you not proving it? Regardless, all kinds of poisons, ain't scale him anywhere.

If you don't like that, open a CRT, because according to the rules, we must use what is on the character's page. Either way, Muzan won't be able to tag Sukuna for reasons already stated in my previous posts.

Which rules? Can you point me to the rules that explicitly state that we can only what is on a character's page without possibility of addressing mistranslations or misinterpretation? I don't need to open a CRT to address a popular misconception. I couldn't care less to go through your previous point.

Sukuna can do that, but he has no reason to. At least, not before having the guarantee that it is the only way of dealing with Muzan, since Sukuna has never resorted to drowning an opponent in the shadows as a way to permanently defeat them (he only partially pulled Gojo in to let Mahoraga strike him easier). so all that you said is irrelevant.

Please actually read what I read. I mentioned a hypothetical scenario and you actually conceded in the same text. Actually funny.

And once again, no, Sukuna wouldn't be affected by Muzan's poison (you mentioned poison, not his bio hax). Neither would Mahoraga or any other shikigami. Once again, you're simply spewing lies that makes absolute NO sense.

His poison is his bio hax. This is just semantics. Also can you actually give reasonings instead of asserting that I'm spewing nonsense? You keep repeating featless 'curse effect' yet you're here asserting his 'bio hax' doesn't affect Sukuna. Muzan has higher assertive scaling via his poison, unlike anything Sukuna has shown in terms of resistance. He's not surviving.

No matter what Muzan does, he would not be able to get rid of ANY of the shikigamis, as he cannot purify them

All Muzan has to do is absorb his shikigami. Also I love the double standards. You keep asserting that crushing a demon's head or burning their cells is all Sukuna needs to do, yet make a completely 360° when you see opposing evidence of a non-sorcerer vs curses and them not being able to see them/damage them. Sukuna doesn't have the sun, nichirin or RB, therefore he ain't taking down Muzan as it is stated that only those can kill off the lives of demons.

Mahoraga WOULD adapt to his blood. He adapts to all and any phenomena.

Any and all phenomena in the JJK verse. Please justify him being able adapt to cellular-damage in-time before he vaporizes in seconds due to featless poison resistance.

IC, on VsBattle, is treated in the same way Domains are treated. That is, both are Pocket Reality Manipulation, and we have already seen Mahoraga destroy one before after SIMPLY being adaptated to it's effect, so yes, Mahoraga can and will adapt to IC, and will destroy it as soon as he does, just like we have already seen he do it before.

Just because both are classified as Pocket Reality Manipulation doesn't make them equal nor does it allow one to destroy a provably vastly bigger space and again he has never shown such DC, this is the definition of appeal to ignorance. Domains are broken easily from the outside and more difficult from the inside. Mahoraga adapts to UV, breaks the domain, which is already unquantifable difficult to break. Therefore, why is shattering a vastly bigger and different space equal to a different dimension Muzan creates and summons? IC doesn't break when a portion of the space is broken, domains do. The usual false equivalence.

Don't like it? Open a CRT. Nakime's page states that IC is an PRM, and Mahoraga CAN destroy those.

This ain't a rebuttal. Mahoraga can destroys domains, sure, this doesn't prove he can destroy IC. If I can adapt to a certain illness that doesn't now equate to me adapting to a stronger illness. This is not how it works at all. The burden of proof is on you to prove connective scaling. You failed to do that.

Douma's Ice Clones that matched the real one's strength were an product of HIS kekkijutsu, not him simply manifestating them out of thin air. Other than that, we have never seen Muzan summon Douma just to use his Kekkijutsu. Also, that's not on Muzan's page. Get that added through a content revision first, since you not only didn't provide where that's stated in the databook,

What makes the basis of Douma's BDA different from Muzan's BDA? Both are made with blood and both are reliant on the demon's strength. He creates ice-clones through the concentration and density of his blood, freezes said blood and spreads it with a fan. Muzan has vastly more concentration and density and creates actual fully-sentient flesh beings as opposed to freezing blood and then spreading it with a fan to create little non-sentient ice-clones. An exact copy of Muzan's body has vastly more volume, concentration and density than said little-ice dolls, which would logically reason that Muzan's clones are superior to ice clones, how do you go from me stating Muzan has clones to Muzan summoning Douma?

and that's also not on Muzan's page.

Please actually read what the page states. I'm convinced you didn't actually read KNY or Muzan's page because you have an agenda to run.

"Should", "unknown". You cannot explain why nor how much, how can I debate with you about that? Either way, Sukuna won't be fighting at close range, it was already proven in the past posts that Meguna's favoured style of fighting is long range, letting his shikigamis fight head-on.

I never once indicated that I "cannot explain why nor how much" I just never elaborated, that's all. Either way, 16F Sukuna has no electricity resistance. I ain't reading your previous points, I can assume though that you'll likely argue Gojo's example. However, that is inherently flawed as Gojo is not Muzan and he engaged in CQC way prior before using shikigami. Gojo is also objectively a bigger hurdle to oppose in-verse than Muzan due to a difference in their defensive abilities. So, despite this objectively better defense Sukuna engaged in CQC. What's to say Sukuna will fight like that? Oh, also is it even in-character for Sukuna to instantly start off with Mahoraga or Shikigami? He starts of with cleave and CQC i.e Ryu and if he wants something of an opponent, i.e Yorozu and Gojo, he'll utilize shikigami (He primarily used Megumi's abilities to further succumb Megumi into darkness and primarily used shikigami to gain an UV counter). These examples do not reflect Sukuna's usual fighting style as he's head-on, CQC oriented. Muzan also in-character makes changes to his flesh, which caught even Giyu and Tanjiro off-guard and they hadn't even realized it was his arm that was used akin to a whip. Sukuna, cocky and like usually engages in CQC, only to get caught off-guard with long-range blood-infused attacks that vaporize him due to lack of resistance. Sukuna is absolute terrible in CQC. He saw Gojo as a threat and still got horribly done in in CQC sometimes, this ain't gonna be different with Muzan.

Also, once again, Muzan cannot affect shikigamis. If he can spam that, cool, but that doesn't change the fact that Sukuna can retreat into his shadows and that this move won't do anything to his shikigamis.

Already addressed this just now and previously. Sukuna doesn't start out with these techniques unless he has an objective.

Won't really change anything. He still cannot damage his shikigamis, Mahoraga will stay adaptating and all the curses accumulated from the damage he took won't disappear. He needs to attack in order to win, and if he just stops fighting back, Mahoraga and the other shikigamis will go on mauling him and cursing him to death.

I'll dismiss this via lack of proof.

No proof provided, none of that is mentioned on his profile... so no, that's not valid. If he could do that, why didn't he just teleport to Ubuyashiki, kill him, and teleport away? He had no reason to walk over right into his trap if he could do that.

I said IF tertiary canon is allowed and...Please read the actual manga, Muzan felt something when talking to Ubuyashiki. He felt no malice and was reminiscent of his memories. The reason he let him talk that long is due to Ubuyashiki's nature. This is established whenever Ubuyashiki appeared, he has a special kind of voice that makes him want to listen, he's not stupid for not doing that, his mannerism and thoughts are affected by his speech. There's also an interpretation that he did kind of TP'd in the manga but you can argue a p.blitz happened.

BFR won't work, since Mahoraga will adapt and break down IF.

Begging the question, what feats has he portrayed and what equivalence is there between IC and domains other than a classification?

Muzan doesn't skill gap in CQC, he literally has no training in martial arts, he simply swings his tentacles around without no ounce of technique. Sukuna is literally used to fighting agaisnt multiple enemies from Heian era, with many diverse and unique abilities.

Let me get this straight. You stated in opposition to my skill-gap claim that Sukuna fighting no-names without actual feats named is superior or relative to Muzan's skill? Not to mention, a consistent narrative in KNY is that if you respond with an equally sharp and accurate attack, you skill-gap them in a fight as shown in Akaza Vs Giyu. Muzan responded with an equally sharp technique to Obanai's sword-skill as well. Just because you don't think there's any technique involved or his fighting style seems simple doesn't now mean that there's no ounce of technique at all.

Muzan has no clone jumping,

According to his page you have to concede this argument.

he cannot adaptate to anything Sukuna does (cursed energy), you didn't show any proof that invalidates Sukuna's MULTIPLES win conditions and that tertiary canon you mentioned is invalid, since you not only didn't provide any proof of that, but that also contradicts the manga, since Muzan never did that move, even when that could have gotten him the win.

Ain't gotta adapt to something Sukuna doesn't even have. Which win-cons? The ones Muzan has a blatant counter to? Why is the tertiary canon invalid. Just because the manga doesn't elaborate doesn't now justify a contradiction. You can't just throw out words you don't know the meaning of. Also, he did multiple times namingly Gyokko and LM5. The TP is trivial anyway and it'd take time to translate the scan, not like it changes Muzan whopping Sukuna.

Edit: Don't respond if you don't have some sort of connective scaling because I'll just ignore and not address it.

 

[Cimafranca133]

lmao.

What're the wincons for both so far?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

lmao.

What're the wincons for both so far?

Muzan's win cons are to either slice Sukuna into pieces with his 11 tentacles and nearly 5x ap advantage, bio hax one shot him to death with

• Biological Deconstruction (By injecting his blood into humans he causes them rapid mutation that results in cellular destruction and quick melting and vaporization of their body. Muzan weaponizes his blood by infusing it with his physical attacks, making a single scratch deadly. Demons can only survive adapting to a small amount of Muzan's blood at a time)
  
  and BFR/Infinity fortress manipulation by teleporting infront of sukuna and slashing him into pieces and BFRing his shikigamis

Sukuna's win con is to stall out the fight for Mahoraga to somehow adapt to Infinity fortress while cursing muzan to weaken him so Sukuna would be able to land divine flames

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Indeed, but Muzan won't be free to do any of that. As it's already proven, Muzan would be faced with all of Sukuna's shikigamis constantly attacking him, so even if he has 11 tentacles, he still wouldn't be able to go after Sukuna when he is being ragdolled by the creatures he feels around him. His tentacles and limbs can extend to 10 meters. Sukuna, as I've already shown, DOESN'T fight at melee range when letting his shikigamis take front. He wasn't anywhere close to Yorozu when she was getting ragdolled by the shikigami, and he has no reason to do that here. He knows Muzan cannot destroy his shikigami, he has no reason to leave his shadow.

Again, this is actively ignoring that Muzan has BFR and control over the infinity fortress. Why is this not getting factored at all? Why would Muzan just sit there getting jumped or continue letting Sukuna spam from far away while having his shikigamis jump him? It's not like Mahoraga magically adapted to the fortress somehow at that point in time (Still massive assumptions if he can do that). This win con is hinging on Muzan being dumb and ignoring his BFR capabilities. He has zero patience against those opposing him.

He won't be able to ignore the shikigamis. This fight is not an 1v1, and I've already proven Sukuna won't be in Muzan's range. Even if he tried teleporting Sukuna, Sukuna can and will use rabbit escape to use his rabbits as shield against any attack, just so he can get back into his shadow. Also, every time Muzan uses IC, Mahoraga's adaptation gets faster.

Like previously, this is still ignoring that Muzan has BFR capabilities and how Mahoraga's adaption requires huge assumptions for the infinity fortress. Doubt he'll manage to pull off rabbit escape in time as Muzan teleporting to Sukuna out of nowhere would catch Sukuna off guard really bad. Nothing also stops Muzan from opening several infinity fortress portals for the rabbits to all go flying outside if he senses a ton of them swarming. Considering the rabbits would be invisible to him (although he can sense them) he would see Sukuna trying to escape and nothing stops Muzan from trying to intercept Sukuna before he escapes by either trying to rush towards him, teleporting to him, teleporting sukuna before he escapes, or warp the gravity of the infinity fortress. Even then, if he somehow doesn't intercept it, Muzan would know next time the moment Sukuna exits the shadow that he can do that.

Even if Muzan teleports them out, Sukuna can always respawn them. We saw him despawn and respawn Mahoraga when he was fighting Gojo, that is not a problem.

This isnt a problem for Muzan as he can keep spam teleporting them out.

Not necessarily. You have already shown us pages that shows Tanjiro alive. Suffering, bit still alive on the ground. Also, Zenitsu, Inosuke and Kanao all fought Muzan and didn't get bio haxed to death. Muzan has limited range, and Sukuna won't go CQC. Also, once again, I've already shown that Sukuna uses rabbit escape as a shield when attacked, just so he can get back into his shadows. And even if he gets hit by bio hax, the fact characters do not instantly die is proof enough that Sukuna has time to perform surgery. He can stop his blood flow completely and replace all of his blood, alongside recreating any body part he lost as long as its not his brain. He also has Agito to help with healing.

Tanjiro's heart isnt beaten and he cant breathe. Whose to say when Muzan severely cripples Sukuna his bio hax didnt flat out just destroy his gut and brain. Bio hax is also combined with the fact that it would kill him off due to the fact that hes already severely crippled from Muzan's attacks if hes trying to escape and heal. Zenitsu, Inosuke and Kanao already got the antidote to the blood by Yushiro before pulling up to fight Muzan. Thats why they didnt get bio haxed. This does not apply to Sukuna. Muzan's limited range and Sukuna doing long range gets hard countered by Infinity Fortress/BFR. Also this is assuming that the bio hax doesnt magically affect his brain, a low chance of this being the case btw.

Domains can be broken from the inside IF you find where the wall is, but it's literally said to be impossible to do so, and aa you can see in the page, Mahoraga doesn't hit the wall nor anything. He simply breaks the domain down instantly by hitting the ground. He didn't break the domain from the inside like someone would, and that's clear. I literally provided proof that Mahoraga is able to deactivate/destroy/nullify any ability he adapts to, and none of what you said contradicts what is happening in those pages.

Domains do not "stop existing" when broken. A Domain Expansion is literally you manifestating your Innate Domain. Anyways, he can adapt to IC, because he is being affected by it when he's pulled into it and is forced to change positions inside of it. His position is space is being manipulated, that's an ability, that's a phenomena.

The ground also is separate from the domain. Do you really think hitting is a way to escape a domain? The ground is literally a construct from the domain, it isn't its shell. It works just like IC, and as I said, both are PRM, so according to VsBattle wiki, both are the same, so it's indeed fair to say Mahoraga would break it the same way he broke Unlimited Void. He simply broke it down because it was the domain itself. He didn't destroy the shell, he destroyed the domain itself.

It does because the infinity fortress quite literally has nothing similar to each other except for the fact that theyre both pocket reality manipulation. It does not matter if theyre both listed as pocket reality manipulation as context matters. Thats like saying just because Sukuna has biological manipulation resistance on his profile it automatically means he resists Muzan's bio hax. Context matters because the context of that resistance is him sitting ontop of a meteor. I do not understand what argument you are trying to make with the manifestation of an innate domain. It does not change anything as the argument is legit about how a domain manifested by cursed energy is entirely different than the infinity fortress being made out of literal wood and not from a blood demon art.

Also that wasnt even my argument. I said Mahoraga hit the domain itself when he hit the ground to nullify it. I never said hitting the ground of a domain is a way to escape it. Him striking the ground of the infinity fortress wouldnt nullify it if he somehow adapts to it because the infinity fortress is just literal wood and not a blood demon art. Unlike domains expansions where he striked the domain expansion itself to nullify it as the domain is literally what is affecting him.

I understand that, but that was a poison. A poison that although weakened Muzan, he still was able to resist somewhat and fight through it. He had already shown resistance to poisons before. But a curse is no normal poison. He has never resisted a curse, and Sukuna is said to have be most potent curse of all. Even outside of his finger form, there's no reason to doubt that the curse caused by his attacks would be any weaker. Muzan has no resistance to curses.

Nothing changed btw. My argument for that was to show how Muzan can still fight and can still be above town level with drugs that are specifically targeted towards him. I agree that the curses caused by his attacks MAY be around the same effect but considering we're going with the idea that the curses and the drug would be around the same affect, it would takes hours for it to fully weaken him to a significant point. Even then, he was STILL capable of fighting while being jumped and being above town level.

It relies on stalling, yes, but no heavy stalling. Muzan mainly fights through his tentacles and blood, so Mahoraga would adapt to his properties pretty fast. At the same time, the shikigamis would apply curses constantly to Muzan, until he wouldn't be able to resist them. Muzan has no resistance to curses, there's NO reason to believe he would be able to still fight when faced with a deadly curse. Sukuna would have no problem casting Furnace then.

Why is this still ignoring the BFR factor, the shikigamis will constantly get BFR'd outside of the fortress. Why would he not be able to not fight under it? He has literally been shown to being capable of continue on fighting under drugs that specifically targets him and was weakening him for 5 hours. Also curse in question is also listed as pain manipulation on the page. Muzan has pain manipulation resistance.

Incarnation is instant. The moment he wanted to incarnate against Kashimo, the process was already ready. Once again, Tanjiro was able to stay alive even after being hit and bio haxxed, and Tanjifo is unable to stop his bloodflow, perform surgery on himself and live without his organs. Unless Sukuna is instantly killed, he would be able to heal through
Muzan's bio hax

Which is it. Is he gonna try to remove the blood from his body, reconstruct his body, or incarnate? All 3 of them would not matter if the bio hax straight up one shots him before he could heal the life threatening injuries he had already received. This also isnt factoring how the blood can just spread into his brain, which you said will kill him.

Not really. Sukuna still has all of his shikigamis, and I don't remember Muzan's starting move being teleporting his opponent into his face to instantly kill him. Couldn't he have done that to every single slayer when he brought everyone to IC? Even weakened, the way you talk about it makes it seem like it's impossible to avoid or survive it. If that's the case, why didn't he do it instead of letting the upper moons fight?

Either way, Sukuna still has Rabbit Escape and his shadows to protect himself from that. Not only that, but trying that would just make Mahoraga's adaptation complete faster.

Again, the shikigamis are negated by BFR/infinity fortress, this factor is still being ignored. Also why are you asking this again, you were already told by kavopaco that Muzan literally afked 99% of the Infinity fortress arc in a shell to deal with the drug affecting him. Even then, his opening move was to kill the slayers and Tanjiro with fall damage so its in character for him to manipulate the infinity fortress. Theres zero point of Muzan trying to trap the demon slayer corps inside of the dimension if he wasnt going to take advantage of the environment and hax of the fortress. He would've just teleported the upper moons into his location if that wasnt the case. Already explained how Muzan can just intercept Sukuna before he enters the shadows etc. This would be hard to avoid as all 11 tentacles that are all targeting with a nearly 5x AP advantage and one shot bio hax are attacking Sukuna at the same time point blank. He would not be able to fight back with be it e force. You are aware about this by the fact that the win con hinges on Sukuna fighting long range, knowing that CQC is deadly.

 

[Catbowtie]

lmao.

What're the wincons for both so far?

For Muzan, scratching Sukuna once and killing him through Biological Deconstruction or two-shotting through 4.4x AP difference

For Sukuna, Domain Expanding and lighting Muzan's *** on fire through Divine Flames.

You can also read Arkenis' post, but CE Poisoning and Mahoraga Adaptation aren't win conditions. Cursed Energy affecting Muzan doesn't help the battle itself as the effects of Cursed Energy don't appear until around a day later.

 

[Pearly0nsams]

Has Mahoraga ever adopted to smth that isn't CT?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Has Mahoraga ever adopted to smth that isn't CT?

He grew gills. That’s pretty much it.

 

[Catbowtie]

Has Mahoraga ever adapted to smth that isn't CT?

That is literally what I've been saying this entire match. Mahoraga can't adapt to Muzan's blood or Infinity Castle.

Not possible. Mahoraga's Adaptation is limited to purely Cursed Techniques. When Sukuna said "The Ability To Adapt To Any and All Phenomena!" he means all CURSED TECHNIQUES. Time and time again, whenever Mahoraga's adaptation is in play, it's in relation to a Cursed Technique being used. Mahoraga can't miraculously start adapting to Muzan's blood because it isn't a Cursed Technique, and it doesn't have cursed energy.

Yes...all phenomena which is limited to all Cursed Techniques within the verse lmao. Again, you are showing no proof for your claims, and it's really bordering on a NLF.

 

[Pearly0nsams]

He grew gills. That’s pretty much it.

When?

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

When?

Nevermind. The evidence someone tried sending here was anime only lol. Yeah he hasn’t adapted to anything outside of CT in the manga

 

[Pearly0nsams]

JJK pages are manga only. And profiles doesn't need to state every limitation characters has. If he has never adopted smth that isn't CT then that would fall into headcanon territory to argue he can.

CE Side affects not doing anything to someone with decent physio imo

 

[ArgentDragonPluto]

Alright then, since Muzan has a 5x AP gap, poison, and a way to deal with Mahoraga I am voting him. Muzan FRA.

 

[karo_senpaii]

someone give the slayers a pocket lighter to carry along and heat up their swords. Apparently that's all at takes to stop demons regen

 

[MonarchInYellow]

The Cursed Energy page explicitly says that it weakens the body and causes pain...Muzan resists pain and can regenerate the weakening. It takes at least a day for Cursed Energy to actually have an effect on regular people. Sukuna isn't building up enough Cursed Energy in such a small amount of time to actually have a meaningful effect on Muzan.

Yes, the CURSE causes pain and weakens the body. How would regenerating his body remove the curse from him? The curse itself is what causes the weakening and the pain. He has nothing to regenerate. And that's invalid. The cursed spirit that attacked Iguchi and Sasaki were literal fodder, so yeah, their curse wouldn't be as potent. Your curse effect clearly scales with how strong with you are. I already said this, but I'll repeat: Sukuna is consistently said to have the strongest and the most deadly curse.

But even them, those fodder no-grade curses, who Megumi's Divine Dogs instakilled, the only reason they didn't kill both Iguchi and Sasaki right there, was because they were saved and initially treated. If they continued to be exposed to the curse, they WOULD have died.

Even though they were exposed for only a little bit, it was enough to get them unconscious and totally unable to fight. And although I don't know where that text is from, itself mentions that the victim had to be sent to Ieiri, who is a sorcerer specialized in treating injuries, for them to be saved.

Here, it's also talked about civilian's affected by the curse. Maki herself says, if they weren't removed from there soon, they would die from the continuous exposure to the curse. She didn't mention a day, nor anything like what you said.

Once again, it doesn't change anything about the fact that Sukuna's curse is stated multiple times to be the strongest and deadliest in the verse. Muzan has no resistance, and shouldn't resist any more than those people did.

 

[Passersby]

Yes, the CURSE causes pain and weakens the body. How would regenerating his body remove the curse from him?

regeneating the damage the curse actively performs?

what do you think the curse manipulates reality to weaken you, bud it does so by causing damage to your body, literal fodder demons can shrug it off


won't do shit for someone who can live without a brain and regenerates at quadruple digit mach speed lmao

 

[MonarchInYellow]

This entire text is just irrelevant and can be dismissed. The sun is a direct counter to their existence and no, losing heads doesn't equate to them dying. Yushiro got his entire head and neck crushed by a temari ball and was fine, Daki got her head kicked in and was fine. The temple-demon, a sub-FS tier demon, was implied to survive head crushing. Rage-amped Muichiro crushed woodland-mansion demon's head and survived and couldn't die until the sun, their arch-enemy and counter, killed him. Gyomei was forced to crush a stronger demon's head in until dawn because said demon, despite having his head crushed the entire time, survived. Please engage with the source material before replying to me.

Because they were dealing regular attacks, which the demon's could heal from. Nichirin steel had absorbed heat from the sun, and thus as effective agaisnt them. That's literally the whole point, how do you not know this? You ask me to engage with the source material, but I still clearly know more about it than you do. Even though the sun is deadly for them, it's literally mentioned time and time again that heat is also effective agaisnt them, because if you burn through their cells, their healing will be impaired. Red Blade is literally just your blade heated up. Sanemi and Gyomei both got their red blades just by CLASING their weapons, generating heat from ATTRICTION, and that was already enough heat to impair Kokushibo, the uppermoon one, healing to some level

Giyu and Sanemi, during their fight, also turned their blades red from FRICTION. Once again, Red Blade is known to heavily impair and weaken a demon's regeneration through burning their cells. The heat generated through SWORDS CLASHING doesn't come even near to Sukuna's thermobaric explosions, which wouldn't simply reduce Muzan to nothing, but would also burn his cells to the point where he wouldn't be able to regenerate. Once again, do not tell me to engage with something you clearly either are intentionally ignoring to try and boost Muzan, or that you didn't read.

"just heating up your blade" this is being dismissive of a nichirin's sword's property. They contain the power of the sun and thus can weaken their regeneration enough to cut off the lives of demons. It was never stated that heat alone damages them, only sun-absorbed fictional nichirin-blades further enhanced with red-blade qualities. Otherwise Akaza's regeneration would've been hampered with when Kyojuro melted the ground and when he engages in CQC when Kyojuro visibly exerted heat from his whole body, yet, such thing never happened. Unless you can properly quantify and rightfully equate Sukuna's heat to the power of sunlight infused into fictional steel of nichirin blades I'll have to dismiss this with hitchen's razor. This is actively ignoring in-verse rules.

Rengoku never produced real heat. Gotouge already said this, all his fire is simply visual effects. I do agree that Nichirin steel is important here, but it's not really a must have. Muzan has never shown to be able to regenerate from having his whole body destroyed, and Muzan's Furnace is way stronger than anything Muzan has ever withstood. You have no evidence to claim that he would be able to survive a High 7-C attack that would reduce him to nothing. Muzan doesn't have invulnerability, he simply is way stronger than any regular human (who, once again, fights with SWORDS) in his verse. Him getting hit by a cursed attack (Sukuna's STRONGEST attack, who would have the biggest amount ot CE out of all his moves, so it would generate the strongest curse on Muzan), that is way stronger than ANYTHING he has ever endured, would yes be enough to get rid of him. The other Muzan supporters already accepted this, and literally anyone who looks through their pages and sees Muzan's durability would also agree to this. Muzan's high-mid regeneration wouldn't allow him to come back from nothing.

Sukuna is no cursed spirit nor are the shikigami. Equating 'curse effect' to Sukuna and shikigami is an association fallacy. He doesn't have such ability and neither was that shown. Either way, Muzan has Disease Resistance listed on his page via Daki stating demons don't get sick. Muzan was plagued with a disease that will kill him before 20 then instantly negated that by turning into a fresh demon. At best the 'curse effect' scales to a fodder Maki, whom got no diffed by a building tier school-curse. Muzan negates this effect completely and is irrelevant in this discussion.

Who claimed Sukuna was a cursed spirit? Once again, you didn't even read my previous arguments (or are blatantly ignoring them). Refer to my past posts, I already explained that shikigamis and cursed spirits work in the same way, so yes, they DO have that effect.

And once again, like you posted here, Cursed Energy Manipulation's page explains, the manga itself explains, and even simply watching the anime would also explain this to you, but the CURSE EFFECT comes from being affected BY A CURSED ATTACK. Curses are MADE UP from CURSED ENERGY, so a strike from them, is a strike made up of CURSED ENERGY. All of Sukuna's sorcery is made up of Cursed Energy, and WOULD result in the same effect. You're, once again, deliberately lying about how Jujutsu Kaisen's in-universe power system works, without showing any proof of what you claim. I already covered this in previous posts, but, once again:

Sukuna's finger was only a cursed object, because it was an objected that contained Sukuna's SOUL and CURSED ENERGY. HIS cursed energy was so big that Megumi himself said (when Itadori ate Sukuna's finger) that letting such a strong cursed energy inside of you was like akin to ingesting a lethal poison. He literally said that the chance of survival of anyone after consuming one single finger from Sukuna was impossible (the one in a million is a japanese form of speech that was badly translated. It was said whenever refering to something that was impossible). So YES, once again, both Sukuna's and his shikigamis attacks, via the attacks being MADE UP OF CURSED ENERGY, do apply curses. The first thing Itadori learnt with Yaga was to control himself as to not curse a loved one by accident...

Again, "a person". The person in question being the average JJK human. This is Muzan, a demon with a completely different body physiology and capability to regenerate their entire body against a regular human with no such capability or feats at all. This point is null.

The average JJK human, just like Muzan, has no resistance to curses. Why are you trying to apply biology agaisnt magic? What magic did Muzan face in Kimetsu no Yaiba for you to claim that he, who has NEVER resisted a curse, wouldn't be affected in the same way another person with no resistance to curses would?

0.7 tons "strong curse" "Way more potent", (Sukuna has never displayed such ability) yet still unquantifable.

You are, on purpose, ignoring my point. Once again, no problem, your other Sukuna supporters, and anyone who sees the difference betwen Sukuna's HIGH 7-C with Furnace, and Muzan's NECK 7-C durability knows what happens. And once again, curses are only applied to those who cannot use CURSED ENERGY. Cursed Energy protects your body from cursed attacks, that's why sorcerers do not get the regular effects of a curse. It's literally explained in the start of the manga, and I alredy provided scams before this. Sad to see you resort to this instead of really tried to make a valid point.

Pre-supposes that Furnace will hit Muzan directly, which is not gonna happen. MCB Choso survived this from a distance btw.

It will. You didn't counter any of my points of how Sukuna would do that. I won't repeat myself, you can go back and read it, and then try arguing agaisnt them instead of engaging in useless arguments. Choso didn't survive agaisnt Furnace, he literally sacrificed his own life to protect Itadori. Everyone KNEW that if they weren't teleported away by Todo, or if Choso didn't SACRIFICE HIS LIFE to protect Itadori, all of them would have been killed by Furnace. Also, Furnace's power scales directly to the amount of explosive material generated by Malevolent's Shrine duration, so Sukuna can always charge it even more if he wanted more destructive power.

Cool, gotta justify this featless attack speed hitting Muzan at close-range, let alone hit him in the first place before Muzan defends himself with faster attacks.

No, I do not need to do that once agan. Speed is equalized, and if you want to read everything I already argumented with the others here, just go back and read what I said before. I won't repeat myself once again just for you to ignore it.

False equivalence. What empirical evidence do you have to justify Yoriichi's burning equates to Furnace, which has no heating feats on the level of sun infused blades amped by BT's. Also, once again blatantly ignoring that this is a sun amped + nichirin sword combined sword. Muzan also states against Tanjiro that RB's don't affect his prime state at all, the only one whom even came close to such effect is Yoriichi. So again, Can you lay out a foundation of evidence to compare Yoriichi's to Furnace?

Nichirin steel is literally just steel that absorbed sunlight for a long amount of years. You're acting like Nichirin steel is permanently heated up and untouchable to anything, and that it sits at the same level of the heat of the sun, which is not true. Human characters literally continuously fight with their swords, and we have already seen them touching their blades with no burn marks whatsoever. Yes, I can. Yoriichi's blade is never stated to be heated in any special way when compared to the others slayers'. To the contrary, since it's confirmed there's no super powers in KnY, it's all just technique. Yoriichi is the most skilled human in the verse, that's all.

Sukuna's Furnace is literally stronger than anything KnY verse has ever seen. HIGH 7-C agaisnt Muzan's 7-C NECK. How do YOU claim that Muzan, who has High-Mid regeneration, would be able to come back from something that would instantly obliterate him? Fire Arrow has an way too big AP advantage here. Muzan has NO WAY to survive it.

Thermobaric explosions do not provably compare to the power of sunlight combined with the effect of regenerative power negation. I don't care what other "Muzan supporters" say. They most likely don't have the knowledge I have.

Why don't you display this knowledge here? Show me the pages where it's explained that Nichirin's mere sun-bathed steel is anything more than that. You're acting like the sun properties on it are magical and not purey HEAT.

Muzan has extraordinary senses and can sense things invisible to the eye via showings and via upscaling from Akaza, Inosuke's and Tengen's senses. All of which can sense attacks invisible to the eye or entire caves, buildings to forests. Kokushibo and Douma can also sense Akaza dying, so Muzan absolutely has senses to perceive curses and the likes. In fact, Toji can see curses due to having HR, which amplifies your senses. KNY has higher assertive sense scaling therefore Muzan will see Curses.

Muzan's senses > Akaza's senses > Inosuke's = Invisible to the eye.

Curses = Invisible to the eye > Regular JJK Humans.

Higher assertive scaling therefore higher assertive senses.

Toji do not see curses due to having HR, it's LITERALLY explained that he SENSES THEM through the world itself. He perceives them by the alterations on the atmosphere and air density. When cursed spirits moved, even though non-cursed effects cannot interact with them, they themselves can interact with the world. THAT'S how she perceives them. She doesn't see, she feels it.

Daido, the swordsman, explains that his "perception of curses" works in the same way. Although he cannot see them, by perceiving the world itself through his heightened senses, he can feel and detect them.

And no, Kokushibo and Douma sensing Akaza's presence disappear do not equal to him SEEING curses, being made up of cursed energy, something he cannot perceive. Tengen could feel the entire cave due to his particular super-enhanced sense of hearing, he didn't "see things that were invisible". Nor does Akaza's page show anything like that. See-Through World doesn't make you perceive what is invisible, that's false. It only let's you perceive the inside of that which you can already see.

Muzan can sense the curses through their killing intent, that was already agreed on way before this, but no, he cannot see them. None of that is on their pages, and I read the manga, they never did see anything invisible.

You're baselessly presupposing I purposefully ignored it. I also don't care what the narrator states as multiple arms is the reason Kashimo struggled that much, evidently so, so I couldn't care less about your interpretation of the narrator's text when the showings support me even further. Both can coexist at once, this is not a rebuttal.

"I don't care what the narrator states as multiple arms i sthe reason Kashimo struggled so much", Kashimo struggled because when Sukuna got his perfect body, he was pratically instantly chanting and doing his hand signs, without any of the downsides. We literally see him die to Sukuna's slashes, not his punches. But yeah, thanks, you've already shown that you do not care about what the manga shows, you only care about your personal view, even when it's proven you're wrong. The others here are way more reasonable and, at least, want to discuss what happens in both mangas. No use trying to talk to you if you wanna base yours arguments on your headcanons.

Again presupposing I'm lying. Very condescending of you btw. I could accuse you of lying straight to my face about demons dying to crushed heads, yet I don't. And once again, both can co-exist at once. Whole lot of nothing said.

When did I state that demons died to REGULAR head-crushing? You talk ill of me for saying you're lying, and here you are lying once again. You ignore all of my points, lies, and then tries going in circles. Probably trying to stall, I guess.

Good luck justifying that is his name in the first place. He was never once refered to as king of lethal poisons, the cursed object is lethal, therefore the terms lethal poison. Sukuna himself once incarnated does not scale to such. The only example being the "king of curses and king of lethal poisons and toxins" quote, which as I explained earlier was a mistranslation.

And why is the Cursed Object lethal? Because it has Sukuna's cursed energy all over it. Do not act dense. It was not a mistranslation, I already explained the "mistranslation" myself. The title of Lethal Poisons and Toxins refers to curses. Sukuna is the king of curses, and his curse is the most lethal. Remember, curses are akin to poisons for humans, that's why he, the king of curses, IS the king of poisons.

That doesn't correlate that Sukuna is now poison resistant at all.

He was immune to Kechizu and Eso's poison. He is immune and his page here agrees with that, so I won't go back to this, we already went through this. If you want that changed, go and try getting it changed.

I'll wait until you justify that. If it is indeed stated "over and over again" why are you not proving it? Regardless, all kinds of poisons, ain't scale him anywhere.

I already did, you're simply ignoring it just like you did with everything else.

His poison is his bio hax. This is just semantics. Also can you actually give reasonings instead of asserting that I'm spewing nonsense? You keep repeating featless 'curse effect' yet you're here asserting his 'bio hax' doesn't affect Sukuna. Muzan has higher assertive scaling via his poison, unlike anything Sukuna has shown in terms of resistance. He's not surviving.

"Featless curse effect", and I have repeatedly shown the effect in action. Both agaisnt people with minor resistance to curses and with people with no resistance to curses. You're simply ignoring it, and as I said, I won't force you to answer my arguments. If you wanna go in circles like you're doing right now, keep going. I already explained with his bio-hax would be useless unless he did a insta kill on Sukuna and how Sukuna would survive that, you still didn't counter argument any of that.

All Muzan has to do is absorb his shikigami. Also I love the double standards. You keep asserting that crushing a demon's head or burning their cells is all Sukuna needs to do, yet make a completely 360° when you see opposing evidence of a non-sorcerer vs curses and them not being able to see them/damage them. Sukuna doesn't have the sun, nichirin or RB, therefore he ain't taking down Muzan as it is stated that only those can kill off the lives of demons.

He cannot interact with shikigamis, so no, he cannot. And even if he tried, all he would get himself is a worse curse, since he would be bringing a whole being that not only is covered in Sukuna's CE, but also is made of cursed energy inside his body, and we already saw what the manga says about that (refer to my scans and explanations about Sukuna's finger). No, there's no double standards. You, once again, are lying. I, from the beginning, agreed that Muzan will be able to sense the curses, because that's what he will be able to do. Maki does NOT see curses, she feels and perceives them by changes in the atmosphere and air density. She just feels and reacts to it. So that's all Muzan would do. He would not see it. And what is your point here? Are you now claiming curses/shikigamis can be hurt without cursed energy? I already sent dozens of times Megumi explaining that the only way to damage a curse is through Cursed Energy, but alright.

Muzan is not invulnerable to anything other than nichirin steel, that is never stated. He simply is stronger than regular steel and has an ridiculous amount of regeneration, which makes it hard to kill him. We literally see Ubuyashiki's bombs being able to heavily damage Muzan. The thing is, HE HEALED. But we saw that it could damage him. Slayers are humans with super human stats fighting with nothing but swordsmanship, that's why they have such a hard time agaisnt Muzan. But not only Sukuna has way more firepower than anything in the KnY universe, he also can also incinerate Muzan's cells through the thermobaric explosions, which was mentioned IN MANGA that burning a demon's cells is effective agaisnt them (Muzan's regeneration wasn't instant after he was exploded by Ubuyashiki, it clearly was somewhat slowed. Normally he just regenerates instantly, but there, the burns clearly made him slower at healing). Will you show any proof or valid arguments, or will you keep going in circles?

Any and all phenomena in the JJK verse. Please justify him being able adapt to cellular-damage in-time before he vaporizes in seconds due to featless poison resistance.

No, it doesn't say "all phenomena in the JJK verse", it says all phenomena. His page here also states that Mahoraga's adaptation works agaisnt anything. It does not say "adaptation (to cursed techniques)". Once again, we will be using what the pages claim the characters have, so unless you get Mahoraga's adaptation changed, that wincon won't change. You want me to justify? Alright. Non cursed energy attacks cannot kill a being made of cursed energy, as the manga stated time and time again. You could simply have gone and read Jujutsu Kaisen's verse page on here and have learnt that yourself, but whatever, I guess.

Also, Muzan didn't vaporize any of the slayers who could somewhat control their bloodflow through their breathing, so no, he would not vaporize Sukuna "in seconds" when he has never shown to be able to do that. Sukuna would simply stop his bloodflow, destroy Muzan's blood from inside his body and generate more blood through RCT. Muzan has never instantly killed any slayer who had a little bit of bloodflow control, so he won't be able to instantly kill Sukuna and you know that. No proof = not happening.

Just because both are classified as Pocket Reality Manipulation doesn't make them equal nor does it allow one to destroy a provably vastly bigger space and again he has never shown such DC, this is the definition of appeal to ignorance. Domains are broken easily from the outside and more difficult from the inside. Mahoraga adapts to UV, breaks the domain, which is already unquantifable difficult to break. Therefore, why is shattering a vastly bigger and different space equal to a different dimension Muzan creates and summons? IC doesn't break when a portion of the space is broken, domains do. The usual false equivalence.

How can you claim it's bigger? Domains are said to be impossible to escape from inside. Even if you walk, walk and walk even more, you won't be able to reach where the barrier is. Unless you have actual calculations to claim IC is bigger than Satoru Gojo's Unlimited Void, your point doesn't matter. Also, Mahoraga was simply deactivating the ability, and thus he destroyed it. He can do the exact same to IC. It's size doesn't matter, Mahoraga will simply deactivate it.

Domains do not break "when a portion of the space is broken", that has never happened. When Itadori broke a huge chunk of Mahito's domain and invaded it, the domain wasn't broken, it was still active and it's Sure Hit technique was still up and going. Mahito's domain only broke when Itadori entered the domain, was affected by the Sure Hit, and Sukuna hit directly into Mahito's soul (another win con I didn't bother bringing up yet, but Sukuna can also damage Muzan's soul and kill him through that, as we saw him cause real damage to Mahito).

And if you're thinking about claiming that "the barrier size is the actual domain's size", please, don't even try that. Gojo's baseball domain is proof enough that the barrier's size is not reflexive of the domain's interior. Dagon's Domain had a whole ocean inside of it that went as far as the eye could see, and it still was enclosed inside that small barrier.

This ain't a rebuttal. Mahoraga can destroys domains, sure, this doesn't prove he can destroy IC. If I can adapt to a certain illness that doesn't now equate to me adapting to a stronger illness. This is not how it works at all. The burden of proof is on you to prove connective scaling. You failed to do that.

I already did. After adaptating to UV's EFFECT, he was able to instantly deactivate UV and break down that Pocket Reality. Once he is affected and adaptates to IC ability, he would be able to do the same. Both are an Pocket Reality with it's own special effects. We already saw Mahoraga being able to break one down by simply adaptating to it, so YOU have to prove that it won't work. Saying "it won't!" isn't proof. I already provided evidence that he can.

What makes the basis of Douma's BDA different from Muzan's BDA? Both are made with blood and both are reliant on the demon's strength. He creates ice-clones through the concentration and density of his blood, freezes said blood and spreads it with a fan. Muzan has vastly more concentration and density and creates actual fully-sentient flesh beings as opposed to freezing blood and then spreading it with a fan to create little non-sentient ice-clones. An exact copy of Muzan's body has vastly more volume, concentration and density than said little-ice dolls, which would logically reason that Muzan's clones are superior to ice clones, how do you go from me stating Muzan has clones to Muzan summoning Douma?

Please actually read what the page states. I'm convinced you didn't actually read KNY or Muzan's page because you have an agenda to run.

Each Demon has their own BDA. If Muzan could use Douma's BDA, he would have used. He is only able to use Nakime's ability through her, that's why when she died, he wasn't able to use IC anymore. BDA is not purely manipulating your blood, it's a demon special technique, and the fact you're "arguing" here instead of sending a page in the manga where Muzan uses Douma BDA, is enough proof that is impossible. I not only did read their pages, I already said I already read the manga. Every time I don't remember something, I'm simply looking for a specific fight and reading it again. That, or I ask here for assistance. I never mentioned or used anything I don't know about KnY as an argument, different from you. Good try, tho.

I never once indicated that I "cannot explain why nor how much" I just never elaborated, that's all. Either way, 16F Sukuna has no electricity resistance. I ain't reading your previous points, I can assume though that you'll likely argue Gojo's example. However, that is inherently flawed as Gojo is not Muzan and he engaged in CQC way prior before using shikigami. Gojo is also objectively a bigger hurdle to oppose in-verse than Muzan due to a difference in their defensive abilities. So, despite this objectively better defense Sukuna engaged in CQC. What's to say Sukuna will fight like that? Oh, also is it even in-character for Sukuna to instantly start off with Mahoraga or Shikigami? He starts of with cleave and CQC i.e Ryu and if he wants something of an opponent, i.e Yorozu and Gojo, he'll utilize shikigami (He primarily used Megumi's abilities to further succumb Megumi into darkness and primarily used shikigami to gain an UV counter). These examples do not reflect Sukuna's usual fighting style as he's head-on, CQC oriented. Muzan also in-character makes changes to his flesh, which caught even Giyu and Tanjiro off-guard and they hadn't even realized it was his arm that was used akin to a whip. Sukuna, cocky and like usually engages in CQC, only to get caught off-guard with long-range blood-infused attacks that vaporize him due to lack of resistance. Sukuna is absolute terrible in CQC. He saw Gojo as a threat and still got horribly done in in CQC sometimes, this ain't gonna be different with Muzan.

If you aren't reading my previous point, read them. I won't repeat myself unnecessarily, and I already have disproven everything you said here. You literally are simply lying once again. Gojo was the one to force Sukuna into CQC, and Sukuna had no other choice but to also engage in it, since the only way he could get through Infinity (AT FIRST) was through Domain Amplification. Read my past posts to understand why you're wrong. If you won't whatever, but I already explained all of that.

So yeah, not only did you prove you do not care about what really is in the manga (you literally said you do not care about what the narrator said, because only what you think matters), you also admitted to not reading what I was saying. The only reason I answered this is because other people ARE reading and they are understanding my points. Keep ignoring, there are other people here up for discussing. I'll also be ignoring your posts from now on, since you claimed you would do that to mine.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

GRACE CONCLUDED. Muzan Kibutsuji (King of Demons) defeats Ryomen Sukuna (King of Curses) with a vote of 15-11

Natural Disaster: CastoriceTheFifth, Catbowtie, DarkRuler234, YeahhBoyee, karo_senpaii, Passersby, Pearly0nsams, Danny33wise, Kavopaco, Arkansalter2, speedster352, Arkenis, 57Dev, Tengouk, StorytellingDemonKing (15)
Calamity: MonarchInYellow, CBslayeR, Duedate8898, Ebihara, EldemadeDityjon, CosmoDark, CripplingDepression6363, XSOULOFCINDERX, Harith0cell, Da3ggman, Entity
(11)

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[MonarchInYellow]

regeneating the damage the curse actively performs?

what do you think the curse manipulates reality to weaken you, bud it does so by causing damage to your body, literal fodder demons can shrug it off


won't do shit for someone who can live without a brain and regenerates at quadruple digit mach speed lmao

How? Through what resistance to curses? The source of the pain and the weakening on the body is the curse itself. The curse is made up of CURSED ENERGY, so how will regular regeneration remove a curse from your body? Can you explain it?

You're acting as if the curse were something that you can simply grab and pull out of your body. You must use Cursed Energy (or resistance to curses) to deal with it.

 

[Catbowtie]

GRACE CONCLUDED. Muzan Kibutsuji defeats Ryomen Sukuna with a vote of 15-11

Natural Disaster: CastoriceTheFifth, Catbowtie, DarkRuler234, YeahhBoyee, karo_senpaii, Passersby, Pearly0nsams, Danny33wise, Kavopaco, Arkansalter2, speedster352, Arkenis, 57Dev, Tengouk, StorytellingDemonKing (15)
Calamity: MonarchInYellow, CBslayeR, Duedate8898, Ebihara, EldemadeDityjon, CosmoDark, CripplingDepression6363, XSOULOFCINDERX, Harith0cell, Da3ggman, Entity
(11)

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Exactly what I was going to say. I think you missed some votes though, but it still should be a win for Muzan.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Alright then, since Muzan has a 5x AP gap, poison, and a way to deal with Mahoraga I am voting him. Muzan FRA.

He doesn't have a way to deal with Mahoraga, since he cannot truly kill him, since only cursed energy can deal with curses. Neither does the AP gap matter really much, since Sukuna, as Meguna, favours long range. But if it will be already added, then it doesn't really matter.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Exactly what I was going to say. I think you missed some votes though, but it still should be a win for Muzan.

None should be missing

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Has Mahoraga ever adopted to smth that isn't CT?

Yes. When he was afflicted with Sukuna's slashes, it's stated that he didn't just adapt to Sukuna's technique, he had adapted to cutting attacks in general. Of course, the only two fights he was in, he was faced with both Sukuna and Gojo, so of course the most important thing for him to adapt to would be their cursed techniques. That doesn't change the fact that he is stated to be able to adapt to all and any phenomena, and was able to adapt to all forms of cutting attacks.

 

[Catbowtie]

None should be missing

If you counted them, then it should be good. I counted 15-12

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

If you counted them, then it should be good. I counted 15-12

Who’s missing for Sukuna?

 

[Catbowtie]

I'm going to check

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't regular soldiers survive a curse for numerous days in Angels Backstory? What's to say Muzan would struggle with that.

No, they were all massacred. Kenjaku intentionally led them there so they would be brutally killed and their deaths would feed the Merger and make it happen quicker. That's why we see them getting jumped by a few curses, getting brutally killed and never are mentioned again. They were there to capture sorcerers (who can be killed through regular means), not curses.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Can’t believe this matchup was this close from a 15 message stomp before

@Arkenis I already added the matchup onto Muzan’s profile. Sukuna’s profile needs to be unlocked.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

lmao.

What're the wincons for both so far?

Sukuna can win through cursing Muzan, adaptating to everything he has via Mahoraga (nullifying all of Muzan's wincons EXCEPT for the wincon based on his AP advantage), and is able to kill him through Furnace.

Muzan can win by bio-haxxing Sukuna to death and cutting him to pieces. I argued above about how Sukuna can avoid all that through his bigger range and the fact he normally avoids close range fights through his shadows.

If you scroll above a little bit, I made a post explaining in detail all of Sukuna's wincons and how he could, in character, avoid Muzan's wincons. Some of the people posting above were ignoring my points, so if you go purely by them, you won't see the arguments in Sukuna's favour.

 

[Catbowtie]

Who’s missing for Sukuna?

I think I counted wrong at some point, but your count looks good to me.

Can’t believe this matchup was this close from a 15 message stomp before

@Arkenis I already added the matchup onto Muzan’s profile. Sukuna’s profile needs to be unlocked.

Go here to get Sukuna's profile unlocked. Just request for it to be opened and show the Versus Match.

 

[Pearly0nsams]

Can’t believe this matchup was this close from a 15 message stomp before

This is still borderline Stomp. Sukunas only wincon is his never landing flames but he is fan favorite so people still voted for him and this will be added. (Kinda same as Gojo vs Uber)

 

[Catbowtie]

Another unfortunate case of supporters arguing for their character to win in a Stomp Match.