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MCU Phase 5 General Discussion Thread

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Chris Hemsworth (Thor), Vanessa Kirby (Invisible Woman), Anthony Mackie (Captain America), Sebastian Stan (Winter Soldier), Letita Wright (Black Panther), Paul Rudd Ant-Man), Wyatt Russell (U.S Agent), Tenoch Huerta Mejía (Namor), Ebon Moss-Bachrach (The Thing), Simu Liu (Shang-Chi), Florence Pugh (Black Widow), Kelsey Grammer (Beast), Lewis Pullman (The Sentry), Danny Ramirez (Falcon), Joseph Quinn (Human Torch), David Harbour (Red Guardian), Winston Duke (M'Baku), and Hannah John-Kamen (Ghost)
 
Bro actually no way red hulk isn’t in it if doom is invading earth why would he not help does he just sit in a prison cell the entire time why everyone is fighting
 
Is Strange confirmed? I know he's in the concept arts and all but well, they're concept arts so not everything from them always gets to the final product
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
I REALLY hope he's in it, he's one of the best characters in the MCU and easily one of the most versatile and powerful
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The most powerful was already announced and that’s Thor or no

But rumors are a new dr strange film will be coming so he might not be in doomsday it could go doomsday-> dr strange film -> secret wars
 
darkphantom9805 said:
The most powerful was already announced and that’s Thor or no
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I did say one of, not THE strongest. That would be Jeff but he's way too OP even for the comics so
darkphantom9805 said:
But rumors are a new dr strange film will be coming so he might not be in doomsday it could go doomsday-> dr strange film -> secret wars
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Wouldn't be against that, especially if Dormammu is the main villain and he has an actual role this time
 
So to summarize, the following have been announced for Avengers: Doomsday thus far:
  • Chris Hemsworth - Thor
  • Vanessa Kirby - Invisible Woman
  • Anthony Mackie - Captain America (Sam Wilson)
  • Sebastian Stan - Bucky
  • Letitia Wright - Black Panther (Shuri)
  • Paul Rudd - Ant-Man
  • Wyatt Russell - US Agent
  • Tenoch Huerta Mejia - Namor
  • Ebon Moss-Bachrach - The Thing
  • Simu Liu - Shang-Chi
  • Florence Pugh - Yelena Belova
  • Kelsey Grammer - Beast
  • Lewis Pullman - Sentry
  • Danny Ramirez - Falcon (Joaquin Torres)
  • Joseph Quinn - Human Torch
  • David Harbour - Red Guardian
  • Winston Duke - M'Baku
  • Hannah John Kamen - Ghost
  • Tom Hiddleston - Loki
  • Patrick Stewart - Professor X
  • Ian McKellen - Magneto
  • Alan Cumming - Nightcrawler
  • Rebecca Romijn - Mystique
  • James Marsden - Cyclops
  • Channing Tatum - Gambit
  • Pedro Pascal - Mister Fantastic
  • Robert Downey Jr. - Doctor Doom
 
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Great. This is the Suicide Squad all over again: a street/moderately superhuman level team going after a Superman-like character and they're probably going to use the "You are bad! It's bad to be bad!" power to make Bob defeat Void and that's it.

Yeah, my enthusiasm seriously dropped right there (and it wasn't even that great to begin with, Sentry is basically the only reason to watch this for me)
 
darkphantom9805 said:
I mean as it stands spidey is currently stronger then sentry based of his trailer performance meaning we just upscale spidey via this statement or no
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Can we just wait for the actual scene before claiming a character who up until that point has "only" been strong enough to be a brief annoyance to Thanos at best is stronger than a character that A) hasn't even been seen in action for real rn and B) will be ridiculously OP for the MCU as a whole if the powers he has in the movie bear even a single, molecular-sized fraction of faithfulness to his comics counterpart based on a brief shot from the trailer we have no real context of? Especially since for comparison, Spidey can get hurt by bullets while Bob doesn't even get a scratch.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
Can we just wait for the actual scene before claiming a character who up until that point has "only" been strong enough to be a brief annoyance to Thanos at best is stronger than a character that A) hasn't even been seen in action for real rn and B) will be ridiculously OP for the MCU as a whole if the powers he has in the movie bear even a single, molecular-sized fraction of faithfulness to his comics counterpart based on a brief shot from the trailer we have no real context of? Especially since for comparison, Spidey can get hurt by bullets while Bob doesn't even get a scratch.
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Diana can get hurt by bullets despite being island level lol same as all the other dceu members like flash and aquaman

hax aside spidey has better performance strength feats
 
darkphantom9805 said:
Diana can get hurt by bullets despite being island level lol same as all the other dceu members like flash and aquaman
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We're talking about the MCU, not the DCEU or other settings.
darkphantom9805 said:
hax aside spidey has better performance strength feats
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Which is because we've seen nothing of Bob's ability and strength yet. Remember it's made clear in the comics his powers depend on his mental state and at times, he's just a weak human when he's himself, as in not in his Sentry state (heck, his first key on this very wiki states that and puts him at "Varies from 10-C to 10-B physically" in his Robert Reynolds key). Yes, he struggles in that scene but it could be because he's in the middle of a mental breakdown, or has been weakened in some ways, or is trying to restrain the Void from manifesting. Again, the movie isn't even out yet so let's wait before we claim character X is stronger than character Y based on a single shot of a trailer.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
We're talking about the MCU, not the DCEU or other settings.
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But your example is he can’t be strong cause bullets but those characters also hurt by bullets doesn’t change their tier or strength that’s just how writers are with bullets


ArkhamDC06 said:
For now and that's because we've seen nothing of Bob's ability and strength. Remember it's made clear in the comics his powers depend on his mental state and at times, he's just a weak human when he's himself, as in not in his Sentry state (heck, his first key on this very wiki states that and puts him at "Varies from 10-C to 10-B physically" in his Robert Reynolds key. Yes, he struggles in that scene but it could be because he's in the middle of a mental breakdown, or has been weakened in some ways, or is trying to restrain the Void from manifesting. Again, the movie isn't even out yet so let's wait before we claim character X is stronger than character Y based on a single shot of a trailer.
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But that wasn’t BoB that was void and he was threatening to kill them and had his powers as he force pushed guardian out a window

No proof on anything else mentioned
 
darkphantom9805 said:
But your example is he can’t be strong cause bullets but those characters also hurt by bullets doesn’t change their tier or strength that’s just how writers are with bullets



But that wasn’t BoB that was void and he was threatening to kill them and had his powers as he force pushed guardian out a window

No proof on anything else mentioned
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I'll wait the actual movie to judge. MCU is no stranger to weird edits made up in trailers to look like something else. And again, it would be completely, absolutely stupid that Spiderman is stronger than Sentry or even the Void. It'd be like Thor is stronger than the Living Tribunal, Batman stronger than Superman (without prep time) or if the NCIS cast could take down Doomsday with their bare hands.
 
ArkhamDC06 said:
I'll wait the actual movie to judge. MCU is no stranger to weird edits made up in trailers to look like something else. And again, it would be completely, absolutely stupid that Spiderman is stronger than Sentry or even the Void. It'd be like Thor is stronger than the Living Tribunal, Batman stronger than Superman (without prep time) or if the NCIS cast could take down Doomsday with their bare hands.
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Those examples don’t work it’s like name bias you associating ranks or tiers based on who they are
 
Wait I just realized why isn’t namor vibranium physically he literally punched and damaged Jabari wood which is vibranium tier like this is very clear cut feat

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Is it just me or is Red Hulk’s profile garbo? No scan for being comparable to Hulk, and it’s arbitrarily just Avengers Hulk, no scaling to Sam’s Moon level vibranium despite damaging it, also why is Sam’s AP still 8-C when he scales to the Red Hulk?
 
Raincutter said:
Is it just me or is Red Hulk’s profile garbo? No scan for being comparable to Hulk, and it’s arbitrarily just Avengers Hulk, no scaling to Sam’s Moon level vibranium despite damaging it, also why is Sam’s AP still 8-C when he scales to the Red Hulk?
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Because golden boy complained every step of the way wanting everything removed

it needs to be redone entirely along with namor he literally damaged vibranium wood yet apparently has no scaling to it and only gets a possibly for hulk scaling when WoG just flat out stated he’s stronger then hulk
 
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ArkhamDC06 said:
Dark is genuinely convinced Sentry/Void is officially weaker than Spiderman because there's a shot where Bob struggles to hold Bucky's metal arm whereas Peter in Civil War did it casually
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Spider-Man simply has better LS fr fr
 
Also, yeah, I wouldn't rely on the Twitter trailers for any scaling for the following reasons:
1. There's often red herring lines or lines meant to hype up the film that are only in the trailers and not the final films, meaning they cannot be used (I remember when people used the trailer-only "can conquer the universe" statement from the first Paramount Sonic film's trailer LMAO)
2. MCU trailers have done this before, like saying the Ten Rings are stronger than anything in the universe or whatever which certainly isn't true. Additionally, that line isn't even in the final film


The film hasn't even come out, so discussing Sentry's scaling is pretty irrelevant rn
 
Lonkitt said:
2. MCU trailers have done this before, like saying the Ten Rings are stronger than anything in the universe or whatever which certainly isn't true. Additionally, that line isn't even in the final film
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This actually remains to be proven wrong the ten rings were created by kang the conqueror who outscales everything in that universe so there’s no telling how strong the ten rings are actually or how kang made them

be and per what if the ten rings are stronger then mjolnir and stated by Odin to be capable of destroying gods Odin feared them so much he went down with an army just to retrieve them from mortal hands
 
darkphantom9805 said:
This actually remains to be proven wrong the ten rings were created by kang the conqueror who outscales everything in that universe so there’s no telling how strong the ten rings are actually supposed to be and per what if the ten rings are stronger then mjolnir and stated by Odin to be capable of destroying gods Odin feared them so much he went down with an army just to retrieve them from mortal hands
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Kang's ass doesn't outscale everything in the universe 😭😭😭

Bro got cooked up by Ant-Man and Kang's best tech (supposedly) peaks at 2-A. Kang is a Potential Man at best
 
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