Muzan vs Sukuna

[EldemadeDityjon]

We LITERALLY have no idea how long that took Yuta.

Maybe he took a year, I don't care. The point is, he can purify it. A pinnacle Jujutsu Sorcerer like Sukuna should be able to do it. His RCT also seems to be faster on others. We literally see him healing a half-dead Megumi in Shibuya.

So, his RCT and purification on himself should be much faster, as healing others is less efficient.

You're also conflating the two; we originally were talking about Eso's blood technique which decays the body, NOT Choso's cursed blood which is inherently poisonous to sorcerers NOT because it is literal poison or because it decays the body.

I thought Cursed Womb blood itself has the same property maybe I'm remembering wrong

And cool, Naoya's body rejects cursed blood because it's cursed blood, has nothing to do with Muzan's blood which acts too fast to even be rejected and destroys the body.

It rejected inhuman blood. Unless you are claiming demon blood is the same as human blood and the body can't identify the difference, sure.

Demon slayers resistance to the poison is through the way in which they can slow its circulation throughout their bodies, an unconventional form of resistance which is not the same as Sukuna's which is an outright ignoring of it as far as we know. So its ability to overcome how Slayers negate wouldn't apply in how Sukuna negates it

Besides this ^
Ark I don't see you or anyone addressing this.
Sukuna can circulate blood with his CE. I'm not seeing him allowing it to reach his entire body in an instant if he knows it's a foreign Blood which has poisonous substance along with his blood destroying property.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Yeah due to every reason above, I'm still completely voting Muzan. Sukuna has no answer to Muzan's bio hax and his control over the infinity fortress dimension. Theres also unironically a possibility of an icon if this is just going to be a hide and seek match between Muzan's infinity fortress and Sukuna hiding in his shadows. Muzan FRA.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Besides this ^
Ark I don't see you or anyone addressing this.
Sukuna can circulate blood with his CE. I'm not seeing him allowing it to reach his entire body in an instant if he knows it's a foreign Blood which has poisonous substance along with his blood destroying property.

Already addressed it in this

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[Robo432343]

infinity fortress dimension?? High 3-A muzan

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

infinity fortress dimension?? High 3-A muzan

Dude half of the verse would unironically be High 3-A if the infinity fortress was accepted as being infinite due to BDAs being NPES lol.

 

[Arkenis]

Maybe he took a year, I don't care. The point is, he can purify it. A pinnacle Jujutsu Sorcerer like Sukuna should be able to do it. His RCT also seems to be faster on others. We literally see him healing a half-dead Megumi in Shibuya.

So, his RCT and purification on himself should be much faster, as healing others is less efficient.

It does matter. Sadly Sukuna isn't the pinnacle of RCT and is never stated to be. Megumi's injuries weren't severe and they have zero to do with the detoxification aspect of RCT so pointless to bring up.

I thought Cursed Womb blood itself has the same property maybe I'm remembering wrong

You are misremembering, all cursed spirit blood is poisonous, what we're talking about is the decay effect, it is something Eso activates within his blood. The scan you show literally says this.

It rejected inhuman blood. Unless you are claiming demon blood is the same as human blood and the body can't identify the difference, sure.

And like I said, the bloods bio hax works too fast for us to even see a rejection.

Besides this ^
Ark I don't see you or anyone addressing this.
Sukuna can circulate blood with his CE. I'm not seeing him allowing it to reach his entire body in an instant if he knows it's a foreign Blood which has poisonous substance along with his blood destroying property.

I'd like to see how efficient Sukuna is at circulating his own blood against a fast acting cell deconstructing substance.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Doesn't mean people can't dodge lol.

Indeed. Since you understand that Muzan still has chance to dodge an attack he cannot see nor understand, just sense, then you also understand Sukuna has an even easier time dodging an attack he can see and that is equalized to him in speed.

Hashira > Gojo and Sukuna.

Yeah, for sure some normal human swordsmen swinging swords are stronger than beings that can ignore their durability and instantly kill them, completely stop their attacks before they even reach them, and simply regenerate through any damage they deal. For sure a 27 and a 1000+ years old person have less experience than a bunch of 18-20 years old that barely have 5 years of experience. Gyomei is the only relevant one when we are talking about experience and he's 27 years old like Gojo, with the difference that he wasn't in life or death situations since he was a child.

Muzan was already in this exact situation you're arguing and he won against the Hashira.

No, that's no even remotely close. He can clearly see them, and those are normal children. Superhuman, yes, but still normal children fighting with swords. They couldn't regenerate, they still could be damaged by Muzan and even so, he still couldn't kill all of them. He won, yes, but he couldn't kill Zenitsu, Inosuke nor Kanao. Thanks for the scan, that simply boosts my point. Now he is fighting shikigamis who cannot be damaged, who have super powers and that each hit curses and debuffs Muzan. He won't be doing anything against them.

I'm gonna assume you mean Sukuna? Sukuna doesn't have the experience the Hashira have but regardless Muzan couldn't kill Obanai cuz he was poisoned during this whole fight and the poison started becoming effected more.

If you bothered to see the scans I provided, you would see that Sukuna literally uses dismantle to cut Nanako into little pieces without even moving. Sukuna has a entire lifetime of fighting his whole life in life or death situations. Hashiras literally barely has 7 years of training when they fought and killed Muzan. Muzan lost to those babies, he won't be doing anything against Sukuna's battle experience.

Yeah he's not on the street, he's in a VSbattle match where the characters are ready to fight. Unless you're Ubuyashiki, Muzan is killing you right away.

Being obtuse doesn't make you less wrong. This battle is in character, and outside of his transformation, his combat capabilities aren't that problematic. Sukuna will simply dodge or block it, just like Gyomei casually did in the beginning of their first fight.

Didn't fight this way against Gojo who he knew he couldn't do anything against besides wait for the adaptation to finish.

Gojo literally crushed Agito instantly when he got one opportunity. He couldn't do it. Here he can and will, it's in character.

He literally has no idea what type of fight it will be lol.

Once again, you prove my point. He doesn't know what kind of fight this will be, nor does he know what creature Muzan is. He observe like he always did when he wanted to understand what he was going against. And since he can see that Muzan doesn't have cursed energy, he will simply leave it yo Mahoraga, who Muzan can't do anything but feed the adaptation process.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

And like I said, the bloods bio hax works too fast for us to even see a rejection.
I'd like to see how efficient Sukuna is at circulating his own blood against a fast acting cell deconstructing substance.

Keep in mind this is Tanjiro who passively resists it. Considering it was stated by Kokushibo that it takes massive amount of blood dosage for it to affect breathing users, each fast and small slashes actually contains massive doses in general so dosage shouldnt even be a concern.

 

[Arkenis]

Indeed. Since you understand that Muzan still has chance to dodge an attack he cannot see nor understand, just sense, then you also understand Sukuna has an even easier time dodging an attack he can see and that is equalized to him in speed.

Not when you read what I brought up lol.

Yeah, for sure some normal human swordsmen swinging swords are stronger than beings that can ignore their durability and instantly kill them, completely stop their attacks before they even reach them, and simply regenerate through any damage they deal. For sure a 27 and a 1000+ years old person have less experience than a bunch of 18-20 years old that barely have 5 years of experience. Gyomei is the only relevant one when we are talking about experience and he's 27 years old like Gojo, with the difference that he wasn't in life or death situations since he was a child.

Sukuna wasn't alive for those 1000 years. But you know who actually has a thousand years of experience? Muzan.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

I'd like to see how efficient Sukuna is at circulating his own blood against a fast acting cell deconstructing substance.

Would be good if we had an example of Sukuna literally surviving without a heart to pump his blood, right? Or even better, if we had proof of his performing constant surgery-like regeneration on his own brain by destroying and recreating it through RCT. If only we had examples of Sukuna showing he can do it...

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Not when you read what I brought up lol.

Irrelevant. Speed is equalized and Sukuna can literally chop off everything Muzan tries to do before it even reaches him.

Sukuna wasn't alive for those 1000 years. But you know who actually has a thousand years of experience? Muzan.

So where does Muzan experience = Hashira experience? Because that was what I was answering. You were saying Hashiras were more experienced than Sukuna.

I also never said Sukuna was alive for 1000 years, I said he had a lifetime of experience, which he did in Heian era before being turned into a cursed object.

You also aren't answering any of my arguments. I'll take that as you having no way of countering it. Sukuna has a way easier way of winning this through Mahoraga adaptation and Shadow Drowning than Muzan has through Bio Hax.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Would be good if we had an example of Sukuna literally surviving without a heart to pump his blood, right? Or even better, if we had proof of his performing constant surgery-like regeneration on his own brain by destroying and recreating it through RCT. If only we had examples of Sukuna showing he can do it...

All the fodder demons in KNY have high mid regeneration listed on their profiles and can still die to Muzan’s bio hax btw. Including demons that have high amounts of his blood, high poison resistance, and have bio deconstruction resistance due to knowing total concentration breathing. Keep it mind this is higher than Sukuna’s “mid” regeneration level

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

It does matter. Sadly Sukuna isn't the pinnacle of RCT and is never stated to be. Megumi's injuries weren't severe and they have zero to do with the detoxification aspect of RCT so pointless to bring up.

So what RCT is not based on Sorcery and it's a different power set?

You are misremembering, all cursed spirit blood is poisonous, what we're talking about is the decay effect, it is something Eso activates within his blood. The scan you show literally says this.

Second Panel states if one of their blood is taken it activates decay?

And like I said, the bloods bio hax works too fast for us to even see a rejection.

That works against characters with zero resistance.

I'd like to see how efficient Sukuna is at circulating his own blood against a fast acting cell deconstructing substance.

Someone already posted it above I guess.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

All the fodder demons in KNY have high mid regeneration listed on their profiles and can still die to Muzan’s bio hax btw. Including demons that have high amounts of his blood, high poison resistance, and have bio deconstruction resistance due to knowing total concentration breathing. Keep it mind this is higher than Sukuna’s “mid” regeneration level

They have regeneration but not doing blood circulation as they fit. That's the whole point.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

All the fodder demons in KNY have high mid regeneration listed on their profiles and can still die to Muzan’s bio hax btw. Including demons that have high amounts of his blood, high poison resistance, and have bio deconstruction resistance due to knowing total concentration breathing. Keep it mind this is higher than Sukuna’s “mid” regeneration level

That I understand, however, all those demons didn't try to remove the blood from their system. They tried to absorb it, to make their body accept the blood to become stronger. Sukuna wouldn't try that. Slayers still could survive after being exposed to the blood (albeit, yes, they were ruined by it). Sukuna has the ability to remove it from his system and regenerate from it IF it's not critical. If he was in Tanjiro's position, for example, he still could simply destroy the part of his body that was affected and reconstruct it.

I DO agree that is still a wincon for Muzan. If he gets a good hit in, it's over, he will bio hax Sukuna to death. The point is: I don't remember seeing Muzan instantly killing any relevant human who tried RESISTING his blood. They were dying, yes, but they didn't instantly die. Sukuna is skilled enough to perform surgery on himself, so it's clear that, depending on the level of the damage, he can retreat to his shadows and heal himself. Just like he did after getting knocked out by Gojo here.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

They have regeneration but not doing blood circulation as they fit. That's the whole point.

Dude. my message was like 3 sentences.

All the fodder demons in KNY have high mid regeneration listed on their profiles and can still die to Muzan’s bio hax btw. Including demons that have high amounts of his blood, high poison resistance, and have bio deconstruction resistance due to knowing total concentration breathing. Keep it mind this is higher than Sukuna’s “mid” regeneration level

"bio deconstruction resistance due to knowing total concentration breathing"

 

[Catbowtie]

Yet another person with badges in their name...yare yare daze

From that, Sukuna if not killed immediately with a headshot (which I don't believe is normally an opening move) is more likely to back off once he realizes he isn't strong enough physically and rely on his shikigami to battle against Muzan. And when Sukuna backs off, he can remove himself from the battlefield entirely by hiding in shadows. Shikigami which Muzan wouldn't be able to hurt as they are curses, and Muzan lacks anything which allows him to hurt curse spirits. Muzan wouldn't be able to see them and his ability sense their intent is dubious seeing as Shikigami are under the control of their users. From their, Muzan has two big problems.

I just explained why Sukuna gets shredded in cqc. Alongside a 4.4x AP difference (1.32 Kilotons vs 5.8 kilotons), Muzan has 11 whips, likely more, that reach up to 10 meters in length. Sukuna would have to somehow dodge every single tendril, not get hit once, and realize that he is not strong enough physically hurt Muzan, then rely on his Shikigami to fight. Do you realize how many times Sukuna would have gotten hit in that time span? Never mind how Muzan's tendrils are able to fend off 7 different Hashira, all of who are skilled in their own right. Muzan could catch Sukuna in the gut, maim Sukuna by cutting off a leg, or just do literally anything. And how is Sukuna going to "back off"? Muzan will use Infinity Castle to pull Sukuna's *** right back into his 10 meter range.

And again, Muzan would be able to sense curses.

Muzan resists the Fear Manipulation & Paralysis Inducement of Mahoraga, and should be able to sense Ten Shadows through his Extrasensory Perception and Enhanced Senses. Someone like Hagane Daido, a non-sorcerer, was able to sense an invisible Naoya by "seeing everything else" and Complete Heavenly Restriction Maki was able to do the same thing to fight against Naoya. Even looking at Toji, who is narratively Maki's equal, has Enhanced Senses which picks up differences in temperature and density of air. Curses' are negative emotions too. It shouldn't be out of reach for Muzan to sense the malicious intent emanating from Sukuna, Mahoraga, and the gang.

If Maki is able to sense curses through air density then Muzan sure as hell can do it through air flow, especially when he can detect them with EP. You would have to prove that Sukuna can somehow hide his and his shikigami's malicious intent to say that Muzan can't sense them. That's just not a possibility considering that Curse Spirits are literally negative emotions. It's in their Abilities for crying out loud

• Incorporeality and Abstract Existence (Type 2 - Cursed Spirits are manifestations born out of people's mind, thoughts and negative emotions)

One, Mahoraga adapting to his regeneration as like how Maho adapated to neutral infinity, he should be able to experience Muzan's blood and adjust to it from there.

Not possible. Mahoraga's Adaptation is limited to purely Cursed Techniques. When Sukuna said "The Ability To Adapt To Any and All Phenomena!" he means all CURSED TECHNIQUES. Time and time again, whenever Mahoraga's adaptation is in play, it's in relation to a Cursed Technique being used. Mahoraga can't miraculously start adapting to Muzan's blood because it isn't a Cursed Technique, and it doesn't have cursed energy.

Two, the corruptive and cursing nature of cursed energy which Muzan has no resistance to. He'd be undergoing his own form of poisoning which he has no real way to combat.

• Pain Manipulation & Curse Manipulation (Injuries with cursed energy cause people to be automatically cursed, this creates severe consequences for normal beings, such as extreme pain, weakening of the body, becoming ill, and eventually death. Anyone who is not a sorcerer has 0 tolerance to cursed energy)

Muzan dead*** just heals through it. Muzan doesn't feel pain and the "weakening of the body" would just be healed by his Regeneration. It isn't even a problem because we don't know how quickly Cursed Energy affects a person. This fight could be over in less than 30 minutes. I don't think Cursed Energy works that fast.

Mahoraga wasn't ever shown incapable of adapting to biologically functions firstly. But mainly the reason that I believe Mahoraga should be able to adapt is because of how Sukuna uses Maho to adapt to infinity. Sukuna experiences UV and from that alone begans the process of adapating for Limiteless in its entirety. Sukuna would experience Muzan's poisonous blood, and from that would give Mahoraga the blueprint to not just negate the poison but Muzan's cells in general as that is the basis of all of his abilities.

You're misunderstanding what I'm saying. Mahroaga isn't expereiencing Muzan's blood through just hitting him, he's experiencing it because Muzan uses it as a means to attack Sukuna. That's why he'd be able to adapt to it. Muzan through weaponing his blood would make it something which Mahoraga can adapt to and as seen in how he adapted to neutral infinity even though Gojo doesn't use that as an attack, I think it makes sense to say that Maho could adapt to Muzan's regenative abilities through the analysis of his blood.

Again, these arguments would only work IF MUZAN'S BLOOD WAS A CURSED TECHNIQUE. You can't say that Muzan would be affected by Cursed Energy because he isn't a sorcerer, but at the same time say that Mahoraga would be able to adapt to his blood. Show one example of Mahoraga adapting to something that isn't a Cursed Technique or isn't related to Cursed Energy in any way shape or form.

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Reminder, what Sukuna sees is a person with absolutely zero cursed energy. He has no reason to think Muzan is going to be able to use any special abilities because his entire verse dictates that a person needs Cursed Energy to use Cursed Techniques. Sukuna using the wheel or suddenly being cautious of Muzan is wildly out of character. Yes, SBA says that Sukuna thinks Muzan is vaguely dangerous, but Sukuna's mind would quickly narrow it down to something like "he's trying to undermine/disrespect me" because from what Sukuna can perceive, Muzan is a regular *** human. Now of course when the tendrils come out, Sukuna would realize that he isn't a regular human, but that would just lead to Sukuna thinking Muzan is a sorcerer and somehow hiding his Cursed Energy. I think that's a far more reasonable assumption for someone like Sukuna.

Sukuna would fight Muzan as if Muzan was any other sorcerer fodder, which leads to him being quickly melted by his Biological Deconstruction because Sukuna would try to play around with Muzan and see what the demon king can do.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

That works against characters with zero resistance.

Someone already posted it above I guess.

That I understand, however, all those demons didn't try to remove the blood from their system. They tried to absorb it, to make their body accept the blood to become stronger. Sukuna wouldn't try that. Slayers still could survive after being exposed to the blood (albeit, yes, they were ruined by it). Sukuna has the ability to remove it from his system and regenerate from it IF it's not critical. If he was in Tanjiro's position, for example, he still could simply destroy the part of his body that was affected and reconstruct it.

I DO agree that is still a wincon for Muzan. If he gets a good hit in, it's over, he will bio hax Sukuna to death. The point is: I don't remember seeing Muzan instantly killing any relevant human who tried RESISTING his blood. They were dying, yes, but they didn't instantly die. Sukuna is skilled enough to perform surgery on himself, so it's clear that, depending on the level of the damage, he can retreat to his shadows and heal himself. Just like he did after getting knocked out by Gojo here.

Man, I already explained this like half an hour ago. I appreciate you acknowledging the bio hax win con but please check out my explanation behind the bio hax and how it would work on people resistant to it

Upper moons have resistances to poisons as demons such as Gyutaro have resisted wisteria. Demons such as Douma are capable of resisting Wisteria that can kill a demon 700 times over.
Poison Manipulation (Superior to strong demons who have high poison resistance. Should be far superior to Gyutaro who shook off a poison dosage that would paralyze an ordinary demon for half a day within moments, and would have been able to eventually adapt to poison strong enough to kill the average demon seven hundred times over)
Muzan's bio hax blood is capable of killing the upper moons who are highly resistant to poisons and nothing in the series states they are resistant to it. They are only capable of withstanding the bio hax effects with their adaption. Even then, it's still a slight chance for them to even adapt to it. The Twelve Kizukis who have high amounts of Muzan's blood such as Lower Moon 1 are still incapable of withstanding it. The only demons who have resistance to muzan's blood such as Kokushibo and Kaigaku are only resistant to it because of Total Concentration Breathing, not because of their demonic body or high poison resistance. Its also only listed as a resistance to Biological deconstruction on their profiles rather than a justification to their poison resistance that they biologically already have, meaning only total concentration breathing in the series is capable of withstanding the effects of Muzan's bio hax.

Sukuna has no capabilities of being capable of removing toxins with his RCT and the only showing of this was Hakari's automatic RCT and him subconsciously removing the toxins after several seconds. Even if we assume he can via Yuta's showings, we have absolutely zero idea how long would it take for him to identify and remove muzan's bio hax (if he even can). Sukuna would not be able to detect Muzan's blood being a problem. Slayers like Tanjiro who passively has resistance to muzan's blood due to total concentration breathing are shown still being affected by it. The effects of muzan's bio hax crippled Tanjiro to the ground shortly after getting stabbed a few times by Muzan.

The effects of Muzan's blood wasn't a gradual process and there wasn't any way for Tanjiro to detect Muzan's Blood hax. The effects came at full force all at once after spreading throughout his entire body and completely crippled Tanjiro to "death". Sukuna would not be able to detect it. Keep in mind Tanjiro has a higher passive resistance to Muzan's bio hax than normal breathing users due to having total concentration breathing constant. His resistance upscales from Kaigaku who was stated that it would take him several days to become a demon despite willingly wanting to become one. He doesnt even have total concentration breathing constant either. It was also stated by Kokushibo that it takes massive amounts of Muzan's blood and several days to actually affect total concentration breathing users. Considering that Tanjiro with higher resistance was crippled by only 3 slashes, each slash contained massive amounts of Muzan's blood to actually pull that off and he did it really easily. Also, Sukuna wouldn't even know muzan's attacks are coated in his blood or know that his blood can do that. So no, Sukuna cannot resist or detect Muzan's blood in time.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

That I understand, however, all those demons didn't try to remove the blood from their system. They tried to absorb it, to make their body accept the blood to become stronger. Sukuna wouldn't try that. Slayers still could survive after being exposed to the blood (albeit, yes, they were ruined by it). Sukuna has the ability to remove it from his system and regenerate from it IF it's not critical. If he was in Tanjiro's position, for example, he still could simply destroy the part of his body that was affected and reconstruct it.

Sukuna is also stated to be capable of reconstructing his body parts.

 

[Arkenis]

Second Panel states if one of their blood is taken it activates decay?

"If you take in one of our blood AND if a brother activates a TECHNIQUE"

That works against characters with zero resistance.

And those with an unconventional resistance almost die to it.

Someone already posted it above I guess.

What Monarch posted has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked.

 

[Arkenis]

Sukuna is also stated to be capable of reconstructing his body parts.

Slight cut to his head its killing him

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Sukuna is also stated to be capable of reconstructing his body parts.

Don't know why this matters, Tanjiro went from completely fine to muzan's bio hax one shotting him. Its throughout his entire body, not just arms and legs.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

"If you take in one of our blood AND if a brother activates a TECHNIQUE"

Yesh fair

And those with an unconventional resistance almost die to it.

The case is explained by @Duedate8898

What Monarch posted has absolutely nothing to do with what I asked.

You asked how good Sukuna's circulation feat is and he showed he can circulate his blood without a heart.

Slight cut to his head its killing him

If his head is cut and blood enters his brain, sure. Otherwise, I can see Sukuna using Cursed Energy to repel the foreign blood before it causes serious damage. Plus, as the scans state, he can simply heal or reconstruct the lost part.

Don't know why this matters, Tanjiro went from completely fine to muzan's bio hax one shotting him. Its throughout his entire body, not just arms and legs.

Still he was able to live for sometime? Not like he instantly got cooked here you have some other scan where it instantly killing his opponents without giving even a second to resists?

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Not possible. Mahoraga's Adaptation is limited to purely Cursed Techniques. When Sukuna said "The Ability To Adapt To Any and All Phenomena!" he means all CURSED TECHNIQUES. Time and time again, whenever Mahoraga's adaptation is in play, it's in relation to a Cursed Technique being used. Mahoraga can't miraculously start adapting to Muzan's blood because it isn't a Cursed Technique, and it doesn't have cursed energy.

Unless you have proof for that, that's just your headcanon. It says all phenomena, not all Cursed Techniques. When he adapted to Sukuna's slashes, Sukuna himself said that he, at that moment, had become immune to every single slashing attack.

In Jujutsu Kaisen, cursed techniques are the only superpower there is, and is the main way of fighting, so of course Mahoraga would focus his adaptation on cursed techniques. But it's clearly stated that it's all phenomena. He WOULD adaptate to Muzan's blood. If you don't like it, you open a discussion to get it changed. His page says he adaptates to all and any phenomena, so that's what it's considered inside VSBattle. Scream if you want, but it won't change.

Reminder, what Sukuna sees is a person with absolutely zero cursed energy. He has no reason to think Muzan is going to be able to use any special abilities because his entire verse dictates that a person needs Cursed Energy to use Cursed Techniques. Sukuna using the wheel or suddenly being cautious of Muzan is wildly out of character. Yes, SBA says that Sukuna thinks Muzan is vaguely dangerous, but Sukuna's mind would quickly narrow it down to something like "he's trying to undermine/disrespect me" because from what Sukuna can perceive, Muzan is a regular *** human. Now of course when the tendrils come out, Sukuna would realize that he isn't a regular human, but that would just lead to Sukuna thinking Muzan is a sorcerer and somehow hiding his Cursed Energy. I think that's a far more reasonable assumption for someone like Sukuna.

No, that's not. We know thats not true because, in JJK, everyone has cursed energy. Every single person. You can mask it, but you cannot hide it, even more when you are facing the greatest sorcerer in history. Sukuna would immediately know that Muzan didn't have cursed energy, and be on his guard. Why? Because we saw how he reacted to Maki.

And CQC is not Sukuna preferred style of combat. I provided a bunch os scans earlier, and in those you see that he always prefers to simply slice his opponents away from a distance. Even as Meguna, when using TS, he always keeps his range. Gojo is the one focused on CQC, not Sukuna. Anyways, once Sukuna saw that not only Muzan had 0 cursed energy, but he also regenerates without RCT, he would be on his utmost guard just like when he saw Maki. Once again, it's all in the manga.

Sukuna would fight Muzan as if Muzan was any other sorcerer fodder, which leads to him being quickly melted by his Biological Deconstruction because Sukuna would try to play around with Muzan and see what the demon king can do.

No, he wouldn't. That's not even remotely close to Sukuna's character, wtf. He never plays around techniques he don't understand. He literally finished Nanako, who he knew was fodder, without letting her activate her cursed techniques (which could, indeed, be a problem even for sukuna). He didn't know what she did, but he didn't take chances. The same happened against Jogo. He was playing around? Yes, but he didn't let not even a single move hit, because as he said, he knew they could probably do some damage.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Still he was able to live for sometime? Not like he instantly got cooked here you have some other scan where it instantly killing his opponents without giving even a second to resists?

Tanjiro was already resisting it and he still got one shotted by the hax out of nowhere with only 3 slashes. It was also stated by kokushibo that it takes HUGE amounts of blood for them to affect breathing users due to having high resistance (higher resistance with tanjiro due to constant).

" you have some other scan where it instantly killing his opponents without giving even a second to resists?"

Why would Muzan just sit there and do nothing? What is he going to do, emote on him fortnite style? Why would he not attack Sukuna when hes crippled to the ground.

 

[Arkenis]

You asked how good Sukuna's circulation feat is and he showed he can circulate his blood without a heart.

Come on, I asked a specific question. It wasn't "oh how good is Sukuna at circulating blood" its how good is he at doing so while a substance destroys his cells and his blood. And without any statement, Sukuna isn't circulating his blood during that, that's supernatural willpower.

 

[Arkenis]

Am I missing any votes?

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Why would Muzan just sit there and do nothing? What is he going to do, emote on him fortnite style? Why would he not attack Sukuna when hes crippled to the ground

About this, I can answer, since my point and Eldemade's the same. Sukuna, with Ten Shadows, is shown to always fight alongside his shikigamis. He also, when knocked out by Gojo, was still able to retreat into his shadows. Now, that's IF Muzan hits him, but there's no reason to think that Sukuna would let himself be hit for no reason, since that's out of character for him.

But IF he was hit, he would heal himself in the shadows, while Mahoraga, Agito and all the others shikigamis fought. Once again, those shikigamis cannot be damaged nor even moved by Muzan, so really there's nothing to be done to them. But once again, that's IF Sukuna is hit.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Come on, I asked a specific question. It wasn't "oh how good is Sukuna at circulating blood" its how good is he at doing so while a substance destroys his cells and his blood. And without any statement, Sukuna isn't circulating his blood during that, that's supernatural willpower.

Don't pretend I didn't provide a page where he states he literally is able to reconstruct his brain after destroying it. He literally has a feat of willpower way bigger than simply withstand some pain as he manages his circulation. I provided three scans, not only one.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

You asked how good Sukuna's circulation feat is and he showed he can circulate his blood without a heart.

Slayers like Muichiro and those comparable can keep their blood circulating to stay alive and fight while missing half a body to be fair.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Come on, I asked a specific question. It wasn't "oh how good is Sukuna at circulating blood" its how good is he at doing so while a substance destroys his cells and his blood. And without any statement, Sukuna isn't circulating his blood during that, that's supernatural willpower.

Not to mention, you're really asking to see proof of pain tolerance from a guy who ripped his own heart off, kept casually fighting without it and withstanding the pain? That's crazy. Anyways, ther you go. Withstood destroying and reconstructing his brain and withstood the pain of fighting without his heart, both without a single wince. The brain thing, also, was doing all while constantly fighting Gojo.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Slayers like Muichiro and those comparable can keep their blood circulating to stay alive and fight while missing half a body to be fair.

So you agree that Sukuna can do the same AND remove Muzan's blood from his system, since he can withstand destroying and rebuilding his brain, and also living without his heart? The difference between him and the slayers is that he can rebuild his own body parts.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

So you agree that Sukuna can do the same AND remove Muzan's blood from his system, since he can withstand destroying and rebuilding his brain, and also living without his heart? The difference between him and the slayers is that he can rebuild his own body parts.

Not really. Even if we go with the idea Sukuna is able to identify the blood and remove it (still really isnt any showing of it), it would still take a while or unknown time to remove the blood. Sukuna and high tier slayers have similar circulating showings sure but the the same bio hax effect would still cripple him to the ground instantly out of nowhere. Even if he can reconstruct his body parts, he would be left hella confused on what the hell just happened while Muzan finishes him off on the ground. by lopping his head off or something. There is nothing stopping Muzan from doing that.

Don't know why this matters, Tanjiro went from completely fine to muzan's bio hax one shotting him. Its throughout his entire body, not just arms and legs.

Example

 

[Arkenis]

Not to mention, you're really asking to see proof of pain tolerance from a guy who ripped his own heart off, kept casually fighting without it and withstanding the pain? That's crazy. Anyways, ther you go. Withstood destroying and reconstructing his brain and withstood the pain of fighting without his heart, both without a single wince. The brain thing, also, was doing all while constantly fighting Gojo.

I'm not asking for pain tolerance feats.

So you agree that Sukuna can do the same AND remove Muzan's blood from his system, since he can withstand destroying and rebuilding his brain, and also living without his heart? The difference between him and the slayers is that he can rebuild his own body parts.

Missing half of their body versus damaged brain tissue and missing a heart. I just wanna point out, Gojo, the guy with arguably the second best rct couldn't regenerate from horizontal bisection.

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

Also its not like Muzan doesn't cut people in half, considering he did it to the hundreds of slayers inside the fortress

 

[CastoriceTheFifth]

About this, I can answer, since my point and Eldemade's the same. Sukuna, with Ten Shadows, is shown to always fight alongside his shikigamis. He also, when knocked out by Gojo, was still able to retreat into his shadows. Now, that's IF Muzan hits him, but there's no reason to think that Sukuna would let himself be hit for no reason, since that's out of character for him.

But IF he was hit, he would heal himself in the shadows, while Mahoraga, Agito and all the others shikigamis fought. Once again, those shikigamis cannot be damaged nor even moved by Muzan, so really there's nothing to be done to them. But once again, that's IF Sukuna is hit.

Already explained how he has no time for his theoretical healing inside the showdows. I also already explained what would happen if sukuna just hide in the shadows.

Muzan's blood instantly spreads throughout the entire body so cutting off his body parts do not matter as his entire body is already infected. Even then, this is under the assumption that Muzan only stabs his arms and legs. Whos to say the first stab is to his gut or head. He cant cut it off now can he.


The first ever time Muzan has ever appeared to fight in the series, he BFRd everyone into the infinity fortress. Yoriichi fight does not count since Nakime didnt exist yet.

Honestly if the BFR is a wincon, what just stops him from BFRing Sukuna into the infinity fortress? Even if it isnt, what stops Muzan from forcing them to fight in the infinity fortress and constantly shifting/teleporting his shikigamis across the infinity fortress? Couldn't he also just shift/teleport himself away from any danger such as his domain expansion with his control over the dimension? Honestly he could even just exit the infinity fortress or teleport sukuna out of it while Sukuna launches a divine flames that is amped with malevolent shrine.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Not really. Even if we go with the idea Sukuna is able to identify the blood and remove it (still really isnt any showing of it), it would still take a while or unknown time to remove the blood. Sukuna and high tier slayers have similar circulating showings sure but the the same bio hax effect would still cripple him to the ground instantly out of nowhere. Even if he can reconstruct his body parts, he would be left hella confused on what the hell just happened while Muzan finishes him off on the ground. by lopping his head off or something. There is nothing stopping Muzan from doing that.

I get what you mean, even more because of the page you provided, but I don't think hat would happen. The reason I say that is: we saw Sukuna get literally knocked unconscious, and he still was able to get to his shadow safely. He was literally knocked out, but still was able to get inside. So I really doubt merely pain would be able to stop him from getting in, even more when you consider that by merely falling to the ground, he would already be able to enter his shadow. And merely pain never stopped him. He didn't wince once when he destroyed his heart, when he rebuilt his brain. He literally was charred, with only one single arm when he made a binding vow on the spot to cast World Slash for the first time (a technique he didn't even know if he would really manage to pull out). That's why, even though I agree the bio hax is a wincon, if Muzan doesn't kill Sukuna instantly, he will be able to recover, because he will then be able to get into his shadow. Pain has never been able to stop Sukuna nor any top tier in jujutsu, their willpower is really high.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Already explained how he has no time for his theoretical healing inside the showdows. I also already explained what would happen if sukuna just hide in the shadows.

But even if he brings Sukuna into the Infinity Castle, what does that change? Sukuna can get inside his shadow once again. All he needs is contact to the ground.

And again, is that considering that Sukuna has all of his shikigamis? We already have seen Sukuna using rabbit escape as a shield against Gojo, who can kill them. What would Muzan do when Sukuna casts an infinite amount of rabbits as a shield from his attacks, which Mahoraga and Agito keeps jumping him? Would Muzan just let Mahoraga keep his adaptation going?

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Missing half of their body versus damaged brain tissue and missing a heart. I just wanna point out, Gojo, the guy with arguably the second best rct couldn't regenerate from horizontal bisection.

Arguably second best RCT*.

 

[MonarchInYellow]

Also its not like Muzan doesn't cut people in half, considering he did it to the hundreds of slayers inside the fortress

Being honest with you, I find it way more possible to see Muzan simply beheading or cutting Sukuna in half than killing him through bio hax. Of course, once again, bio hax IS a wincon, but isn't it easier for Muzan to try and tear Sukuna apart?