Well, sometimes the references can be kinda out place. Or they can be too many of them. Or just excuses to not writte Interessing dialogue.
"Defy"? Yeah... making enemy's that contrast the protagonists' morals is a classic thing in fiction, Albedo, Reverse Flash, Bizarro, etc
Prove this... the link you showed just says he doesn't 100% agree with it... which is fair, but Sonic and Tails were painted as the correct ones in Issue 50, i don't see how that is your view of said events
i mean i don't think it was Ian who made Shadow...like that.
Yes, it was him. All Sega wanted was for Shadow to be written in character since the way Ian writes him in Archie was extremely OOC. Most of Ian's IDW run was learning for the first time how to actually write the game characters.
so you admit that it was Sega fault to make Shadow lose that one?
No, because Ian is the one who wanted Shadow to lose, lol. Sega only vetoed Ian's original script, but Ian was always going to make Shadow lose because he's "too OP". He did the same in Worlds Unite as well.
at least you said something smart.
thats what i said
Then I'm beginning to get Vegeta fan vibes about the whole debacle from the anti-Ian brigade. Dude wasn't going to solo the Metal Virus and was too useful to keep around narratively. At least Ian wanted him to at least go out swinging big time.
Pointlessly going all out to save lives? Jeez.
Nobody died during the Metal Virus and everything was undone. Shadow facing off against the zombots pointlessly (while making his trump card look lamer) while getting infected is worse if he just didn't get infected in the first place.
Because he's the main writer of the series, and unlike Evan he doesn't take criticism and always deflects to blame Sega or someone else. Thankfully Evan is the main writer of IDW now.
almost nobody dies in this franchise...almsot
Ah yes. No one except Goku and Cell died permanently (albeit only an arc for Goku) during the Cell Saga. This means attempting to save lives during that arc was pointless. Shadow should have let everyone just getting zombified and had his arms folded the entire arc saying "I'm the coolest".
It would be far lamer than Shadow not using his trump card. What, you think Shadow just getting infected would have been better? Shadow not getting infecting is an alternative but then what? He's far too potent not to remove from the story or at least work around him with immense loopholes.
Status quo must be preserved...
What kinda example is this? Even in Dragon Ball, Goku and Piccolo are fine with letting Buu kill all of humanity because they've got the Dragon Balls, so if Sonic did have writing like Dragon Ball then they should've let everyone be zombified lmao.
Except Shadow's inhibitors are supposed to be a special thing. They're the Ultimate Life Form unfiltered. Just like Super Sonic represents wishes comes true, unhibited Shadow is the true Shadow. That's why Sega doesn't want the form to lose its impact.
Specifically talking about the Cell saga and the Buu saga had a reason behind it. No one in IDW knew if they could undo the Metal Virus for certain, the Dragon Team had the Dragon Balls and the Radar. That's an even worse comparison.
I mean they're special but they're not his Super Sonic equivalent. They haven't been for some time.
Yeah, cuz that is the perspective of the fan asking the question he was answering, that is literally the context of the question, the fan thinking Sonic was wrong
He literally says he understands why it is like that, again, show me evidence of him sneaky trying to subvert that through his stories, that is what you said he was doing but you showed no proof
Show me proof of this deeply disliking of Sega to Flynn's way of writing? Specially when in interviews they always praise the way he writes?
The mandates dictate how he would writte someone, him saying is difficult to write cause he has too many mandates for his character, it isn't Ian's fault if Sega limited him to write Shadow a certain way in the beginings of IDW
Oh so now you are accusing him of wanting to directly oppose his employers? Dude, your boss is not your enemy, Ian works alongside them, using him as a scapegoat for all things you think badly of the character's recent development isn't really accurate, specially when Sega was the one who started this type of characterization with Sonic Boom and Shadow 05
Yeah, cuz that raises tension, go figure
So they purposelessly made him write Shadow going out in a pathetic display of Ega instead, aka, it is their fault as well, not only Ian's, as you said yourself, they are the ones who asked him to change away from the "less contrived" way
not the point, he would still be saving people at cost of himself, showing great character development... that would make him look anything but lame, it would have been epic
wrong, he admited his own flaws numerous times
No, they told him he shouldn't take off his limiters, they didn't say anything about him losing in a pathetic way, that was Ian who wrote it that way because he wanted to get rid of him.
Ian Flynn still writing in Sonic in the big 2025
Isn't it funny how Ian is always complaining about the mandates yet every other writer actually says they don't get mandates or that they aren't that bad?
It's the same thing across all sagas. The heroes don't worry about people dying because they have the Dragon Balls. Meanwhile in IDW Tails was already working for a cure. Not once in the story they thought the virus was incurable.
I didn't say this and you're trying to twist the argument to make it look worse. The point is that narratively Shadow doesn't need to waste his trump card pointlessly just to be eliminated, when the result would be the same if he didn't engage. Furthermore Shadow is a pro-active character, he always goes for the source rather than waste time on the small things. That's why he didn't care when the Black Arms attacked the Earth at the start of Shad05 and why he tried to kill Cosmo in X.
Yes, they're clearly set to be special by Sega, which is why you don't see them often. You can have your own opinion but Sega clearly disagrees with you.
I literally didn't even say Sega disliked Flynn's way of writing, but it's literally objective that Sega vetoed the way Ian normally writes Shadow because it goes against their vision of the character. Ian said so himself.
almost like others just say "yeah we just do what they tell us to do"
Yet again Ian and his fans blame EVERYONE except his poor writing skills. Even Evan acknowledges when she makes mistakes and improves on it like with Silver.
man, they are monsters of stamina, except that Sonic has more stamina because it all comes natural
Without the epic inhibitor's off moment, that was the only choice in such a strict deadline
He doesn't, in fact, always complains about the mandates, that was mostly for Shadow in that 1 issue
Which writer said this? Cuz it is factually impossible when working via being hired by a third party, also the mandates changed, as shown by Shadow's different characterization in IDW most recently and Shadow Gens... it isn't very fair to compare the past rules to the now rules and expect the same reaction from the writters
Wrong, they vetoed 1 scene in 1 issue, and even then they clearly like what he does with Shadow, hence why they keep asking him to write stories with him, if it went so against their vision then they simply would hire someone else to write Shadow, as having someone mischaracterize one of their most popular characters would be something they "dislike"... and yet they don't, they keep calling Ian
Ok, now i know you are being disonest, this is a LIE, does he have flaws? obviously, does that mean all you see as a flaw is one? no, of course not, people said this so themselves here
You are factually incorrect to think "Ian fans" do not criticize his writing at all, this moment simply isn't one of them
Speedster = OP, just like it should be
Yeah, that's what I'm saying.
Ok leaving aside Shadow would have looked like a even bigger loser if he jobbed with his limiters off, that's still on Ian, nothing you trying to spin here makes him look good when it was his choice to make Shadow look bad
Or... Or... he could've just dropped the idea since Shadow wasn't OP enough to ruin the story. Nobody was holding a gun to his head forcing him to write the scene. The entire point of this debate is that it was all IAN's fault for the quality of the scene.
Daniel Barnes said the mandates weren't the boogieman people were making it out to be, and he came way later after the supposed restrictions.
