Related threads: Nine realms(2-A)
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Terms:
Ancient Magic/Concept Magic:
- Law Manipulation and Conceptual Manipulation (Type 2 and Type 1. Every ancient magic manipulates some fundamental abstract concept, they control the core elements that govern the laws of the world, can and alter the fundamental laws of the universe, as they are the underlying principles that gover the very universe, and concept magic which uses the power of ancient magic can rewrite the laws of reality. Additionally, Ehit has all ancient magics which grant concept magic. Concept magic let the user create and manipulate any concept they desire without limit, there were no rules, no restrictions to what could be done with it, it truly was the ultimate type of magic. It doesn’t fall under any category of ancient magic and can't be analyzed, overcome or affected in any way with ancient magic, even after mastering ancient magic and being able to use the essence of each ancient magic, it was beyond even ancient magic, and thus can only be affected by other concept magic. However the creation of concepts with concept magic require an unbelievable will that reach conceptual levels, hence why it's typically not combat applicable, though if pushed to the limit Ehit is able use it in middle of combat)
9 Realms:
「……Don’t perceive what we called “other world” at the level of a “single planet”. Perceive it wider as a “single universe”, huh. Well, certainly that tracks. Even the desert world has outer space outside the planet and also other planets. Perhaps there is also planet with abundant nature and life somewhere in that vast universe.」
What Hajime and others vaguely called “other world” wasn’t a “different planet” that existed inside the same universe by all means. The universe itself was different from their universe, and the planet that they knew there was nothing more than a single planet inside that different universe.
Hajime once more spoke of the great premise that he had to base his perception on while tossing the tablet in his hand on the desk. He joined his hands behind his head and leaned back deeply on his chair. He stared at the empty space in order to sort his thinking.
「In other words, the “nine other worlds”, should be called as “nine other universes” to be more accurate……」Ch 470
Each realm has a random time flow
「……Hajime, the time flow of the machine world is also out of sync?」
「Yeah, apparently so.」
「Previously, there hath not be any omen of that correct?」
「That’s right.」
「Five years you said, so basically the flow of time here became the same like the star spirit world huh?」
「That’s not it, Ryuu-kun. Nagumo-kun contacted here a week ago. And, there wasn’t any problem at that time. In other words──」
「Earth’s one week became five years in the machine world you mean? In this one week, out of nowhere.」
Yuuka’s words made Atsushi and others to understand the situation too. The difference of time was too radical that their faces were convulsing. Ch 505
『Eh? Your last call……it was when the Dragon Tree was revived right?』
「Right.」
『Then──it was around three months ago right?』
「……」
Hajime closed his eyes. The crease on his forehead deepened.
It wasn’t as bad as the machine world. But, time difference was also forming in the sky dragon world. Ch 505
According to them, there was no abnormality with Tortus and the star spirit world. However, apparently there was a change with the fairy world and the desert world.
「……Hajime, the fairy world’s time also turned strange. But it’s the reverse. They said that not even a day has passed since Hajime called there a week ago.」
「Papa! The time also shortened at Ku-chan’s place nano! We talked the day before this trip’s departure but, she said that only around two hours has passed since then!」
「Just in case, I also did my own checking but it looks like there’s no mistake.」
It seemed during the call Remia also checked with Lilin who was beside Koone at that time.
Hajime massaged his forehead with his fingertip as though enduring a headache from hearing their report.
「I don’t get the pattern at all.」Ch 505
The Interval:
Also known as the gap between realms, and it's strenght is relative to the distance between them.
Using the airship to travel instead of the Crystal Key would help preserve Hajime’s mana, which he would need if he was attempting more concept magic. He’d also need to conserve his mana to get back home. Opening a gateway to earth would take far more mana than Hajime possessed. At least 4-5 times as much as his maximum mana pool. And while he did have his Gate Keys, which used comparatively little mana, he could only use them to open portals to locations he’d set up Gate Holes in beforehand. Since he’d only developed the Gate Key after returning to the capital, he hadn’t been able to set a hall in Erisen yet. Vol 10 p248
「……Well, doesn’t matter. If it’s thanks say it too Shizuku and others. If they didn’t ask me I won’t purposefully spent magic power like stupid to come here. This world is absurdly far just so you know.」Ch 277
「Tsu, no, reaction?」
「……Hajime?」
The compass’s effective range was in proportion with the amount of magic power poured into it.
With the magic power he poured right now, just a mere distance from here to Akiba, no, even if it was anywhere in Japan the compass would be able to cover it. And yet, there was no reaction. Shia wasn’t within the search range.
Hajime leaped down from the bed and his magic power surged even more. As expected, there was no way the activation of magic power that tremendous would be unnoticed. Downstairs he could feel Tio was taken aback. The sound of her immediately going up the stairs in hurry could be heard. Ch 336
「Tio, call Kaori and others. Our magic power stock is unreliable after the previous gate opening. In preparation of the worst case, I want to keep in reserve a stock of magic crystal so we will be able to return right away.」
「We art going to collect the stock for going there from those with magic power? So it’s not enough with just us, Shia hast been sent to a really far away place.」Ch 336
He is even able to identify the realms based on distance between them and Earth(realm).
「……Hajime. Shia?」
「She isn’t in earth. She is in another world that isn’t Tortus.」
「Muh, doth that mean she was summoned by someone ?」Ch 336
Note: That compass use
Concept magic>Ancient magic.
Well, setting that aside……Hajime ignored Kousuke’s blank stare.
「I often mentioned distance when talking about the necessary magic power requirement for teleporting, but to be more accurate, the required amount is actually in proportion to the strength of the “world’s gap”. The physical distance doesn’t really matter.」
「In other words, the gap between Tortus and this world is thinner than with the desert world?」Ch 378
So it varies, and by "teleporting" he's talking about portals
「With my remaining magic power――the energy can only open the path to other world for five seconds. The older kids should carry the others as many as they can. If they don’t hurry when the gate is opened, they’ll be left behind.」Ch 378
He pulled the Compass of Eternal Paths out of his pocket. Unlike his Gate Keys, which could be used to open portals to the respective keyholes they connected to, the Crystal Key did exactly what its concept magic had designed it for. It opened a door leading to the user’s desired destination. But in order to do that, the user needed to have an accurate mental image of their destination, as well as a good grasp of the physical or metaphysical distance to it. But that meant so long as Hajime had the compass as well, he could have the key take him anywhere. Vol 10 p242
Realm travel:
The elements:
「Then, perhaps it’s a god in savior-san’s world? There is a strong and pretty presence of wind around you.」
「Yep yep! You see, mister. The wind is connected anywhere in the world. Surely that god too marked you mister so they can sense you wherever you are.」
「You are connected to that god by wind after all! And they are also a god, so I think it will be easy for them to come!」
According to them, it wasn’t just limited to wind, apparently existences who possessed nature divinity of water or light were also relatively easy to summon although not as easy as the hero as long as there was some kind of connection formed even through the partition of the world. Especially divinity with strong connection with “World Tree’s Branch”.
「The gap of “hell” and “this world” is wavering. Just now, I said that they could not cross the gap of worlds without the “mirror gate” but……now is different. In this time when this gap is wavering, if there is a medium that can easily connect the interval, they will be able to descend to “this world” with a strong body maintaining their existence.」
For example, a mirror. A mirror that reflected another world, especially when there was an opposite mirror, the gap of worlds could be shaken just with that.
For example, a thick mist. A heavy mist that shut the field of vision where it was impossible to look even an inch ahead, it could also shake the spot of “this world” itself.
And then, water.
The world was connected by water. Water was a natural “gate” that crossed every world.
This could be refering to the concepts of those elements
「It seems the small Heaven Tree is recovering well……yes, I can manage it somehow, but only if the other side is inclined to answer. This doesn’t seem like a mere god of foreign world, but a child of the avatar of another world, it won’t be difficult if I trace the presence of this wind――no, this conception.」Ch 388
There was a war between Earth(Realm) and Hell(Realm). Then someone locked the demons in their universe.
There was no clear division. If there was an other-worlder who sided with Earth, then there was also an earthling who sided with the other world.
But, it seemed definitive that there was an outbreak of conflict that crossed the two worlds.
As a result, a power that was equal to the work of god transformed the other world into “hell”, and the losers were locked in that world. Ch 308
This lock is somekind of barrier that make realm travel harder.
The goddess of another realm created something similar
(Raw)
『我は感染種の誘引と三重の結界で極限まで疲弊しました。そこからは結界の維持に多くの意識を割きながらの休眠となり、遅々とした回復に身を任せたのです』
カラグラ老の糾弾には言及せず、むしろ彼を気遣うような雰囲気を見せながらもフォルティーナは続きを口にする。
「三重の結界？」
『はい、勇者様。この世界への侵入を拒絶する結界、感染種を大陸に封じる結界、そしてグラスナーデと世界の要を守る隠蔽の結界です』
「せ、世界を丸ごと守る結界……」
「Three layers barrier?」
『Yes, hero-sama. A barrier to reject invasion into this world, a barrier to seal the infected species in this continent, and a camouflaging barrier to protect Glassnerde and this world’s cornerstone.』
「A-a barrier that protected a whole world……」
No wonder that she was this weakened despite being a goddess, Kouki thought with a held breath. When he glanced at Aularodde to ask for confirmation, she was nodding her head fiercely to him to show just how much power such feat would require.
Furthermore. Even while resting she kept herself in a half-awake state to continuously pour her strength and focus to maintain the barrier. It was truly a godly feat that continued to run without ceasing for even a single moment…… Ch 468
According to
this it could be planet or universe. It was created to prevent
Outsiders who are beings with the ability to travel outside the nine realms.
Anyways demons were locked in Hell till
「See, Bel-chan and others, they told Myuu nano. They all are just bored, doing nothing but ruling or quarreling, that they even got sick of their friends, and then, one day they felt power with presence that is similar with themselves, and when they tried going following the attraction, they came to Myuu’s place, they said.」
「Similar presence……」
Could it be, they referred to the self-proclaimed god of Tortus? Or else, did they mean the age of god magic? At that time, Tortus was just a step before the world’s demise. Certainly tremendous power was at work at that time.
Perhaps it somehow shook the worlds interval between Tortus and hell. Ch 319
And here it was stated that shaking the realms is connected to realm travel.
Tio pressed her hands in prayer inside her heart. If Shia was sent into another world accidentally because the border that separated the worlds were shaking or something, then that was still alright. Ch 336
The hero:
When the world’s balance was starting to go out of order due to internal or external calamity or due to conflict and the like among the lives of that world, the “hero” would shoulder the role of balancer as the hands and feet of the avatar.
That was why, when the avatar sought help and carried out a summoning, it would definitely get connected to the hero. Also, it was because the hero was an existence with the quality that the World Tree recognized, the hero was able to pass through the gap between worlds. Though as the side effect of that, when a hole was drilled open in the gap between worlds, most of the time it would also get connected to the hero. Ch 386
Any form of connection(portal or summon) synchronize the realms time and influence the interval.
Possible Void ?
――Fall, to the interval of the worlds
The moment that sentence resounded, the space behind Shia twisted crazily.
「Wha-, this is-」
Shia immediately attempted to retreat from that place, but she was pulled in by a tremendous power and she stumbled midair.
When she looked across her shoulder, over there the twisted space and whirling darkness were……
「Don’t tell me, a gravitational field!?」
A power greatly resembling that which frequently used by the vampire princess she was so close it caught Shia and wouldn’t let go.
She desperately stood her ground using the foothold of the “Air Force”, but the twisted space and whirling darkness expanded in proportion of her effort. It was trying to envelop Shia in spherical shape.
It covered her above, spread below her too, and narrowed in from left and right.
In that situation she already had no other choice but to leap forward, however, at this point the after-effect of Level X worked against her. She could only reinforce herself until Level V, with that she was unable to get away from the gravitational field!
「Nununu-, this is a biiit bad!! Or rather, interval of worlds you said!?」
In order to recover even by a bit more, she summoned recovery medicine from her treasure warehouse and caught it in her mouth. She crunched the rim and gulped down the content while yelling. In the end, was the star tree Lutria answering her, or perhaps it was just a one-sided proclamation?
――To somewhere that is not here. Simply, because you shouldn’t exist in this world.
「That’s unreasonable! Even I didn’t come here because I want you know!? Where are you planning to send me!? At least please make it a world I can survive in you know!?」
The interval of worlds, she could only feel uneasy hearing those words. It would still be better if it was another world. But, if it was a place just like the words meant…… ch 337
It's clear that traveling the realms require manipulating this space.
Time travel:
The gap between dimensions(realms) is a space that transcend space-time
This abandoned capital didn’t actually exist anywhere within the real world. It had once stood where the sea they’d come from was, but the seal had transported it into a gap between dimensions. Basically, this whole space was a city-sized Treasure Trove.
And because the whale was also the product of that ancient civilization, it too possessed the power to transcend space and time. However, its power had been greatly weakened, so it could only transport people here once, and only people who visited the particular stretch of sea the capital had once been on. Meaning this was the only chance anyone would ever have to repair this seal. Restoration magic wouldn’t be enough to do it because a lot of the damage to the seal was too old to be realistically recovered. It would take more mana than anyone in the world possessed. Which was why the whale had needed to bring in people who could analyze the seal and rebuild it from the ground up, namely Synergists who could use creation magic. Not only that, Synergists with more skill and mana than either Hajime or Oscar possessed individually.
“So it brought you and Oscar-oniisan together even though you’re from different times, Daddy! It made a miracle!” p259
and could be used to access all the realms at any period in time.
While they’d been traveling to Hajime, it had told them the gist of the situation. Apparently, the whale was the guardian of this destroyed city. Long ago, this city had been brought to ruin by the same monsters that were flooding out of the castle. Those monsters had actually been created by human hands, and the strongest of them made the nigh-immortal Hell Eater Hajime and the others had just recently fought look cute.
But, as it always went in stories like this, the people had been unable to control the monsters they’d created, and brought their empire to ruin. However, they’d at least had the tenacity and the good sense to seal away the monsters they’d created. But to do so, they’d needed to use the whale as a cornerstone.
Now, centuries or perhaps millennia later, the seal had been weakened to the point where it was nearly gone. If the lynchpin of the seal, the tower that the whale was fused with, broke, then the ancient evil horrors would regain their full strength and would start terrorizing people across all worlds and all times. p259
BTW, the whale used mist to teleport them to this city.
“It’s strange... I can sense mana from everything around us, both the fog and the water.”
“Hajime-san, I think we’ll be okay! I’m not seeing any future where we die, at least!”
Hajime shot Yue a glance. Though he said nothing, it was a trivial task for her to read his thoughts, and she quickly created a teleportation portal to let everyone escape. But before she could send anyone through—
“Daddy! He’s calling for us! He wants us to save him!”
“Wh-What?”
Unfortunately, there wasn’t enough time to process that or ask Myu what she meant. Owooooooooooooooooooooo!The creature let out a howl. It wasn’t a threatening sound, though. In fact, it almost sounded melodic. A second later, Hajime and the others were surrounded by light, and their consciousness began to fade.
“Shi—” Yue shouted, panicking. The portal she’d created scattered to the four winds. SS Volume p215
Outsiders:
We don't hame much details about them but here
「Something that lurked at the bottom of the sea existed outside of my awareness. The knowledge flowing from the Star Tree informed me of its true identity. That it was an existence that must not exist in this world.」
Which was to say, it was an existence from outside this dimension. “Something” that came here from further outside the nine universes.
「That existence was taking in the children of the sea, little by little, little by little. And not only mankind but also the children of every race. It ate and increased in strength, or it altered other’s soul and even their flesh into its subordinate, so it can order them to hunt for even more prey to offer to it. Secretly, carefully.」Ch 492
According to her, perhaps because the existence came from outside this dimension, it was difficult for this world’s principle to affect the “Calamity”.
It didn’t mean that it was completely ineffective. She could give chase once she perceived it, and it wasn’t like the principles related to offense and defense had no effect. But she said that it slipped through the principles related to detection as long as she hadn’t perceived it as “existing”.
「Something like crossing dimension should be impossible originally. Just the fact that it “could cross” made it easy to imagine that it possessed means to interfere with space-time.」
「I see. Those guys’ arrival might have influenced the “wall” between worlds and created the time difference huh.」Ch 492
It's evident that manipulating this space affect the realms space-time.
It's important to note that the compass couldn't reach outside the nine realms space.
He summoned the compass on his hand. He toyed with that object that was shaped like pocket watch on his palm while recalling when he searched for existence outside of the nine worlds.
The result went without saying. The compass showed no reaction at all.
Perhaps there was a powerful partition that even the compass was unable to grasp. Or perhaps something like the rule of the world was obstructing it. Ch 470
The range is not the problem cause this happened after he got an infinite source of energy.
DK if this is imortant, but the interval was also called partition
According to them, it wasn’t just limited to wind, apparently existences who possessed nature divinity of water or light were also relatively easy to summon although not as easy as the hero as long as there was some kind of connection formed even through the partition of the world. Especially divinity with strong connection with “World Tree’s Branch”.
But he had no problem with it. That could mean there is a higher space-time that outsiders use to travel.
Sea of dimension:
「I’ll turn this thing into a luxury cruise ship. It won’t be a sad battleship anymore. But to be the world’s greatest passenger ship to go to adventure through the endless space toward the unknown worlds. A ship that can bring anyone and anything on board of it.」Ch 381
Certainly, Hajime had told G10 about the idea itself. Avenst was huge. If it was intended to travel the sea of dimension then it would need countless functions.
And so, Hajime thought if such device could be used to pilot the ship or grasp the situation inside the ship. Actually, the Cere*ro-lookalike that was created underground the new Grant residence was also doubling as experiment for this.
Avenst is a spaceship from an advanced civilization modified by the MC to travel the realms and outer space.
「That ring is a device for deploying barrier to protect the ship. Starting from space isolation barrier, form, energy source, principle……it can deploy multiple barriers of all kinds to separate itself from the world. In addition, the ring itself is a huge gate that can teleport the whole ship. Right now it still need improvement and adjustment but……it’s planned to be able to move across worlds too one day.」
「Tsu, a worlds crossing ship……is it?」
「Yeah. Of course, it can even go to outside the planet. To space. I’m planning to take you guys there later so look forward to it.」Ch 521
"Sea of dimension" was only used once, but it's safe to assume it's refering to the space encompassing the realms and separating them.
It was stated to be an endless space, but
another translation for it was "
infinite universe".
TL;DR:
Interval: is a gap that separate and influence the realms time difference. It require transcending space and time to reach and can be used to access any realm at different points in time simultaneously which prove its transcendence over the realms.
Sea of Dimensions: It encompass the realms and separate them. It's size is endless/infinite in comparison to the everything else with the interval being a finite section of this space.
According to
FAQ:
No, the default assumption is that this is not the case. "Bigger" could mean having more 2-A structures and, as explained in greater detail
previously, having more 2-A structures, or even infinitely many 2-A structures, unless
uncountably infinitely many, won't be above a single 2-A structure in size. This is due to these structures actually having the same size as a baseline 2-A structure. It is, however, possible to at least achieve greater than baseline 2-A power by upscaling from other characters who've performed 2-A feats or of the feats themselves, rather than by affecting 2-A structures containing other 2-A structures. However,
if "bigger" is indicated to mean a size difference that makes the structure dimensionally superior to a 2-A structure, the structure qualifies for Low 1-C unless the fiction specifies otherwise.
To elaborate, a structure larger than 2-A meets the requirements for dimensional superiority over them if it either explicitly mentions an uncountably infinite number of universes or has portrayals/statements of being larger than 2-A structures to the point that even infinite multipliers on top of the size of that structure are of no relevance to it. Multiversal structures past Low 2-C frequently have a distance of unknown length along a
5th dimensional axis separating them. That isn't automatically Low 1-C,
as for Low 1-C the distance must be known to be of non-insignificant size.
In that regard it is important to consider that, by its nature, it is not possible to accurately depict 5 dimensional space. As such depictions of the multiverse are usually not to be understood as an accurate representation of the distance between the universes, but rather just qualitative analogies of the multiverse's structure.
As usual, evaluation of any additional evidence needs to be done case-by-case.
Proposals:
1-Sea of dimension is L1-C or atleast 5D
2-All smurf feats using the interval will be upgraded to 5D.
Agree: @Digital_Franz ,
Disagree: @Community_Gamer ,@Shar122 ,@Everything12 ,@BestMGQScalerEver ,@Elizhaa ,@DarkDragonMedeus
Neutral: @Lloydblitzed ,
@TheOrangeGuy09 ,
@ActuallySpaceMan42 ,
