Demon Slayer Revisions

[Machmatej]

I have already explained this using the Gatling example above.

The problem is that it wasn't multiple attacks. Before his death and before unleashing the attack, Gyutaro explicitly states that he'd need the rotating slashes to shake off Tengen and Tanjiro. No matter how you slice it, it's the same technique as before. It's just Gyutaro putting in more effort.

Do you know the type of rocket launchers that launch multiple 8-C rockets at once, which deal area damage and, because of their number, produce an 8-B result?

If you block one or even two missiles from this cluster attack, then you won't scale to 8-B, because it's still a lot of simultaneous attacks of a much smaller area.

True, but that doesn't disprove anything. By your own logic, if Gyutaro's final attack has an 8-A result, as shown in the calc. then the slashes being 8-C wouldn't be a problem as to your own analogy. Enough 8-C slashes together in a condensed space would reach 8-A or any other tier. Tengen and the others don't scale to 8-A because they "blocked two slashes from the cluster attack", they scale to it because Tanjiro decapitated Gyutaro, whose neck durability should scale to his BDA. Your MLRS analogy is irrelevant here.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

The biggest lie I've seen in this manga.
Not all demons can grow a new head and they get exhausted if their limbs are cut off for too long.
If they had infinite stamina, then Muzan would ignore aging and his regeneration would not become weaker.
So it's just superhuman, not infinite

Sorry if this offended you. Don't take it personally.

Who exactly are you accusing of lying here? Infinite stamina is together with Regeneration the main reason why your match with Kaneki versus Muzan didn't work out and it's on all of the demon profiles.

I wasn't offended. You just sent an answer to a person who didn't write what you are answering to.

 

[NikHelton]

???
The 2nd Drug was explicitly made to nullify Muzan’s infinite stamina, that was the entire point. Demons are normally un-aging since they simply regenerate the effects of aging as they occur, but the massively accelerated aging means Muzan needed to focus more and more of his power to combat this effect in order to keep his body in combat ready shape, allowing the taxation of his combat abilities to actual exhaust him.

Infinite stamina is defined as: “Characters with inexhaustible sources of energy at their disposal, allowing them to fight indefinitely, although not necessarily allowing them to ignore crippling pain or fight on through critical injuries.”

That's why, in the battle with Nezuko, Daki says she can slow down her regeneration.
Muichiro was able to slaughter a nearby demon and chain it to the ground before sunrise, however, if the demon really had infinite stamina, he would immediately regenerate these injuries.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

That's why, in the battle with Nezuko, Daki says she can slow down her regeneration.
Muichiro was able to slaughter a nearby demon and chain it to the ground before sunrise, however, if the demon really had infinite stamina, he would immediately regenerate these injuries.

Daki never said anything about making Nezuko's Regeneration slower. It just used to be slow because she wasn't eating humans and not long after that statement she began regenerating much faster than Daki. Muichiro was just straight up beating the demon from back then up the entire time.

 

[NikHelton]

Who exactly are you accusing of lying here? Infinite stamina is together with Regeneration the main reason why your match with Kaneki versus Muzan didn't work out and it's on all of the demon profiles.

When using infinite stamina, the regeneration rate does not decrease when taking damage, and you also do not need to eat to regain strength

Immortality =/= endless endurance

I wasn't offended. You just sent an answer to a person who didn't write what you are answering to.

Well, I'm glad it didn't bother you, because I easily get confused in this thread.

 

[NikHelton]

Daki never said anything about making Nezuko's Regeneration slower. It just used to be slow because she wasn't eating humans and not long after that statement she began regenerating much faster than Daki. Muichiro was just straight up beating the demon from back then up the entire time.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

When using infinite stamina, the regeneration rate does not decrease when taking damage, and you also do not need to eat to regain strength

Immortality =/= endless endurance

The infinite stamina is supported by a multitude of statements in the manga and is accepted. It is not derived from or dependent on Immortality. You'll need to make a new thread if you want to change that.

None of that is talking about her having made Nezuko regenerate slower. She's simply talking about there being a delay.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

If the feat was the result of multiple attacks then it seems obvious that it shouldn't be used to scale for a single attack from Gyutaro, true.

I believe this has already been clarified, but Gyutaro didn’t release many separate attacks consecutively, but unleashed multiple blades simultaneously.

 

[KnyRaizn]

none of them hits the characters.

Gyutaro's blades clearly hit the characters, the blades literally go in their direction and hit them.

 

[KnyRaizn]

The problem is that it wasn't multiple attacks. Before his death and before unleashing the attack, Gyutaro explicitly states that he'd need the rotating slashes to shake off Tengen and Tanjiro. No matter how you slice it, it's the same technique as before. It's just Gyutaro putting in more effort.

True, but that doesn't disprove anything. By your own logic, if Gyutaro's final attack has an 8-A result, as shown in the calc. then the slashes being 8-C wouldn't be a problem as to your own analogy. Enough 8-C slashes together in a condensed space would reach 8-A or any other tier. Tengen and the others don't scale to 8-A because they "blocked two slashes from the cluster attack", they scale to it because Tanjiro decapitated Gyutaro, whose neck durability should scale to his BDA. Your MLRS analogy is irrelevant here.

The novelization also specifies that the last attack is simply a larger circular slash.

 

[Damage3245]

The novelization also specifies that the last attack is simply a larger circular slash.

Why would what the novel specifies apply to the anime which has a very different take on it? And the calc is for the anime version.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

I don't have the ability to keep track of all the topics when I'm responding to 4 people at the same time.

If you really are interested in an actual debate, then it is your responsibility to keep track of everything that’s being said here. And you do have the ability to do this, you just need to take your time to read.​

My assumption about the load on the seals makes much more sense than that it was caused by an explosion that, for some unknown reason, caused no damage at the epicenter and caused no consequences at the starting point.

I’ve already lost the count of how many times you’ve been told this, but you have provided absolutely no evidence to sustain this point, and literally every other single instance of either the seals being destroyed or the crows getting killed show no damage reflection at all. It really starts to feel that you’re trying to force your interpretation by simply repeating the same unfounded claim over and over.
Yes, the lack of destruction near the epicenter is inconsistent, but there is still no other realistic way in which the shockwave could have injured Kiriya and his sisters, specially considering the databook quite explicitly states that this was long-ranged attack. Even so, this kind of inconsistency has been overlooked in many other calculations, so why exactly should we make an extraordinary exception for Demon Slayer?
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If you block one or even two missiles from this cluster attack, then you won't scale to 8-B, because it's still a lot of simultaneous attacks of a much smaller area.

I’ve already replied to this before...

The main reason Tengen has his durability scaled to the potency of Gyutaro’s attack is because he was able to parry his blood blades through sheer strength, if his durability was much lower than the power of Gyutaro’s attacks, his arms should have been ripped off or broken (Newton’s 3rd law). The fact that he survived Gyutaro’s final attack is secondary.

Not all demons can grow a new head and they get exhausted if their limbs are cut off for too long.

???

All demons can regrow their head as long as they weren’t beheaded by a nichirin weapon. This is almost like the whole point of the series. And infinite stamina has nothing to do with this anyway, cutting a demon’s head with nichirin is the only way of killing them (aside from sunlight), and it’s clearly stated that’s the only part of their bodies they can’t regrow under these circumstances.
And Muzan quite literally stated that he had never accumulated any fatigue from regeneration, and that the sole reason he was getting tired now was because of the 4 different special drugs that were inside his organism. And that’s really the only time someone ever mentions anything about demons getting exhausted over regeneration.
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That's why, in the battle with Nezuko, Daki says she can slow down her regeneration.
Muichiro was able to slaughter a nearby demon and chain it to the ground before sunrise, however, if the demon really had infinite stamina, he would immediately regenerate these injuries.

Infinite stamina doesn’t mean that demons should regenerate instantaneously, I really don’t know where you got this idea from. It’s a well-known fact that the regeneration speed is highly dependent on the strength of the demon. The reason Nezuko wasn’t healing right away was because she simply wasn’t strong enough, after that, she gains a power up and his regeneration speeds up dramatically.
The same applies to the fodder demon that Muichiro fought.

And the stamina stuff really is a whole other topic that should be addressed on a different thread.​

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

Why would what the novel specifies apply to the anime which has a very different take on it? And the calc is for the anime version.

I think it's mostly because the novel also refers to this feat as a single attack, which also backs up Gyutaro's statement.

 

[NikHelton]

If you really are interested in an actual debate, then it is your responsibility to keep track of everything that’s being said here. And you do have the ability to do this, you just need to take your time to read.​

Bro, I'm working in parallel, so I'm not putting all my resources into discussions.
I've been postponing another major CRT for several months now, because I understand that arguing with fans of the series will require a really large amount of effort. Now I'm not even saying KNY.
An unfriendly attitude also has a place to be

I’ve already lost the count of how many times you’ve been told this, but you have provided absolutely no evidence to sustain this point, and literally every other single instance of either the seals being destroyed or the crows getting killed show no damage reflection at all. It really starts to feel that you’re trying to force your interpretation by simply repeating the same unfounded claim over and over.
Yes, the lack of destruction near the epicenter is inconsistent, but there is still no other realistic way in which the shockwave could have injured Kiriya and his sisters, specially considering the databook quite explicitly states that this was long-ranged attack. Even so, this kind of inconsistency has been overlooked in many other calculations, so why exactly should we make an extraordinary exception for Demon Slayer?
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You won't believe it, but you're doing the same thing.

Destruction, the emphasis on the shock wave and its consequences are all the assumptions about the explosion. You can't just say, "His nose started bleeding, which means he was hit by an explosion 20 km away." There is no evidence that there was an explosion. The only thing that can be stretched in this situation is Muzan's ability to summon 1 psi at a great distance. But it's unlikely to be useful in a fight with someone above 10-C.

???

All demons can regrow their head as long as they weren’t beheaded by a nichirin weapon. This is almost like the whole point of the series. And infinite stamina has nothing to do with this anyway, cutting a demon’s head with nichirin is the only way of killing them (aside from sunlight), and it’s clearly stated that’s the only part of their bodies they can’t regrow under these circumstances.
And Muzan quite literally stated that he had never accumulated any fatigue from regeneration, and that the sole reason he was getting tired now was because of the 4 different special drugs that were inside his organism. And that’s really the only time someone ever mentions anything about demons getting exhausted over regeneration.
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If their stamina hadn't dropped during the battle, then talented kids wouldn't have been able to hold them off until sunrise. Moreover, the demon that Nezuko decapitated directly says "My body is dead" when it falls from a great height. All this happens before sunrise.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

If their stamina hadn't dropped during the battle, then talented kids wouldn't have been able to hold them off until sunrise.

They were just getting beaten up over and over again. The only thing that's needed for that is keeping it up until sunrise and not a drop in stamina for the demons.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

Bro, I'm working in parallel, so I'm not putting all my resources into discussions.

I think we all have other stuff to do aside from VSB. What I’m saying is that if you really are interested in a real debate, then you should take your time to read. Nobody is asking for a super-fast reply, just read what we write so we don’t have to repeat ourselves.
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Destruction, the emphasis on the shock wave and its consequences are all the assumptions about the explosion. You can't just say, "His nose started bleeding, which means he was hit by an explosion 20 km away." There is no evidence that there was an explosion. The only thing that can be stretched in this situation is Muzan's ability to summon 1 psi at a great distance. But it's unlikely to be useful in a fight with someone above 10-C.

I really don’t understand what do you mean by “no evidence” when we quite literally see Muzan creating a shockwave that breaks the ground with pressurized air around him, while Tanjiro also stated this attack to be a shockwave/blast and declared that his lungs were crushed (which is pretty much what a real shockwave would do to your body), even the databook refers to this as shockwave, all this being further reinforced in the novel which also called this attack a shockwave. There is a lot of real and solid evidence showing that Muzan created an actual shockwave, so there really is no discussion around this. The next thing we know for certain is that this attack somehow injured Kiriya, and the only realistic way in which this could have happened is that the shockwave extended all the way to the mansion, this makes even more sense when considering the databook explicitly says that a long-range attack injured Kiriya.
In contrast, you have provided literally zero evidence to support your claim of the damage being transmitted through Yushiro’s talismans, even though you’ve been asked to do so multiple times. Not only that, but this is also heavily contradicted by every other instance of the crows getting murdered or the talismans being destroyed.
And I really shouldn’t prove anything in these regards (though I still did), since you’re the one bringing up an unfounded claim.

I am, by no means, the same as you.

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If their stamina hadn't dropped during the battle, then talented kids wouldn't have been able to hold them off until sunrise.

Nehz already handled this.​

the demon that Nezuko decapitated directly says "My body is dead" when it falls from a great height. All this happens before sunrise.

And now you’re moving the goalpost (again). And no, the demon didn’t say “My body is dead”, he said “Is my body dead?”. He was asking this to himself as he was unsure if his body had actually died, and we never really get any confirmation of that being the case. And the demon wasn’t dead anyways, he was still conscious and had already grown a pair of arms, suggesting that he should have been able to regrow a new body given enough time.
In addition, there is an explicit statement that says the only way of killing a demon is by exposing them to sunlight or either by cutting their heads off with an special sword (a nichirin blade).​

 

[Xaropadob3ta]

The only thing that can be stretched in this situation is Muzan's ability to summon 1 psi at a great distance. But it's unlikely to be useful in a fight with someone above 10-C.

Sonic's quill creates an explosion (RECALC)

vsbattles.fandom.com

A Sonic spike is causing a million meter explosion that doesn't destroy ANYTHING, but it's still on your page going up to your AP, durability...

1 PSI is not for the entire explosion, and you can see that at the epicenter, it caused rock pulverization, fragmentation of wooden buildings, and distant fragmentation of the ground, in addition to instantly killing a crow and shooting the Obanai at an unknown distance, where it only appeared at the end of the fight.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

Muzan’s shockwave calculation has been rejected, so it was removed from the thread while the scaling got redone accordingly (still following currently existing scaling chains). More details in the first page.

 

[Epyriel]

That's why, in the battle with Nezuko, Daki says she can slow down her regeneration.
Muichiro was able to slaughter a nearby demon and chain it to the ground before sunrise, however, if the demon really had infinite stamina, he would immediately regenerate these injuries.

When using infinite stamina, the regeneration rate does not decrease when taking damage, and you also do not need to eat to regain strength

Immortality =/= endless endurance

Well, I'm glad it didn't bother you, because I easily get confused in this thread.

That's simply just not what stamina is.
Infinite stamina is not equivalent to immunity to being injured, or immunity to regeneration nullification. I already posted VSBW's definition above, but to reiterate, infinite stamina just means you can fight without end unless otherwise injured or disabled.

 

[Kin201]

Just a question, how do demons have infinite stamina if they need to consume blood and human flesh to recover lost stamina in battle, heal injuries and regain strength?

 

[NikHelton]

Muzan’s shockwave calculation has been rejected, so it was removed from the thread while the scaling got redone accordingly (still following currently existing scaling chains). More details in the first page.

Detail 8-A's feat and call Damage again

So far he's rejected that too

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Just a question, how do demons have infinite stamina if they need to consume blood and human flesh to recover lost stamina in battle, heal injuries and regain strength?

We never see a successful instance of a demon eating humans while fighting and they still heal injuries and don't get tired. In general eating more humans means that a demon gets stronger and not that they return to their original level. Infinite stamina is not tied to Self-Sustenance Type 2 last time I checked.

Detail 8-A's feat and call Damage again

So far he's rejected that too

Are we talking about the scaling or the calculation?

 

[Kin201]

We never see a successful instance of a demon eating humans while fighting and they still heal injuries and don't get tired. In general eating more humans means that a demon gets stronger and not that they return to their original level. Infinite stamina is not tied to Self-Sustenance Type 2 last time I checked.

Not getting tired over a certain period of time does not prove they have true, literal infinite stamina. In context, the way I see it, the Demon Slayers would have long succumbed to exhaustion first. So even if demons only had 100,000 times more stamina than the Demon Slayers, the statement "Demons don't get tired" would still hold true in the context of the battle. However, this does not mean their stamina is truly infinite, which is being able to keep fighting for eternity at optimal condition. This would only be true if you took the statement at absolute face value without interpreting it otherwise.

Now let's get to why this is not the case. We have an Upper Rank demon, Hantengu, whose stamina was pushed to the point where he needed to consume humans to replenish his strength. He adds that this is because Zohakuten's using "too much" strength. If his stamina were truly infinite, this would be irrelevant, cuz no matter how many attacks Zohakuten spammed, even millions or an infinite amount, it wouldn't have an impact on him like at all. The whole idea of consuming humans (external sources) to "replenish" his stamina and strength would make no sense if he had limitless energy reserves in the first place. This seems to imply eventually demons will need external sources to support activities.

Spoiler

With that said, I would interpret the statement "Demons don't get tired" as referring to their extreme stamina and endurance compared to humans and Demon Slayers. This makes sense because the Demon Slayers would perish long before demons reach their limits, which does not necessarily require demons have true, literal infinite stamina.

 

[Nehz_XZX]

Not getting tired over a certain period of time does not prove they have true, literal infinite stamina. In context, the way I see it, the Demon Slayers would have long succumbed to exhaustion first. So even if demons only had 100,000 times more stamina than the Demon Slayers, the statement "Demons don't get tired" would still hold true in the context of the battle. However, this does not mean their stamina is truly infinite, which is being able to keep fighting for eternity at optimal condition. This would only be true if you took the statement at absolute face value without interpreting it otherwise.

Now let's get to why this is not the case. We have an Upper Rank demon, Hantengu, whose stamina was pushed to the point where he needed to consume humans to replenish his strength. He adds that this is because Zohakuten's using "too much" strength. If his stamina were truly infinite, this would be irrelevant, cuz no matter how many attacks Zohakuten spammed, even millions or an infinite amount, it wouldn't have an impact on him like at all. The whole idea of consuming humans (external sources) to "replenish" his stamina and strength would make no sense if he had limitless energy reserves in the first place. This seems to imply eventually demons will need external sources to support activities.

Spoiler

With that said, I would interpret the statement "Demons don't get tired" as referring to their extreme stamina and endurance compared to humans and Demon Slayers. This makes sense because the Demon Slayers would perish long before demons reach their limits, which does not necessarily require demons have true, literal infinite stamina.

Tanjiro has Regeneration Negation and if Zohakuten and Hantengu both share the amount of power they can use at once, then one using more does leave the other with less at that specific moment. You'll need to examine the context of all the infinite stamina statements if you want to refute them. Stamina isn't even supposed to be the topic of this thread so you'll need another thread to go really in-depth with it.

 

[NikHelton]

Are we talking about the scaling or the calculation?

About 8-A calc

 

[Kin201]

Tanjiro has Regeneration Negation and if Zohakuten and Hantengu both share the amount of power they can use at once, then one using more does leave the other with less at that specific moment. You'll need to examine the context of all the infinite stamina statements if you want to refute them. Stamina isn't even supposed to be the topic of this thread so you'll need another thread to go really in-depth with it.

I'd like to argue against that, but yeah, it would be off-topic to argue against infinite stamina here. A new thread is needed.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

Detail 8-A's feat and call Damage again

So far he's rejected that too

He didn't, what he said was that if the feat had been a result of multiple attacks, then it wouldn't scale an individual attack. However, that's not the case, the blades were released simultaneously, which in the end constitutes a single attack, in the same fashion an explosion just accelerates several gas particles at the same time.​

 

[Damage3245]

He didn't, what he said was that if the feat had been a result of multiple attacks, then it wouldn't scale an individual attack. However, that's not the case, the blades were released simultaneously, which in the end constitutes a single attack, in the same fashion an explosion just accelerates several gas particles at the same time.​

Well, I don't think it's quite the same situation as Gyutaru releasing multiple sickle blades and an explosion affecting multiple gas particles.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

Well, I don't think it's quite the same situation as Gyutaru releasing multiple sickle blades and an explosion affecting multiple gas particles.

Although it technically isn't the exact same situation, they actually are analogous.

We could also think of it in this way:
Say a character A pushes a 4 ton block of concrete with his telekinesis.
Now, A simultaneously pushes 4 concrete blocks, each one with a mass of 1 ton.
Even though in the second case A pushes 4 separate blocks, we know there exists a single energy source that's allowing for this movement (A), and since all blocks are being accelerated at once, then this scenario is energetically equivalent to the first one, as both require the same energy output. Whether the blocks are glued together or not doesn’t really matter.

Gyutaro's attack is no different from this. While he released multiple blades, all of them were accelerated at once, that means he was pouring energy into each blade at the same time. And there really is nothing stopping him from pouring all this energy on a single blade if he wanted to.​

 

[Epyriel]

Well, I don't think it's quite the same situation as Gyutaru releasing multiple sickle blades and an explosion affecting multiple gas particles.

I’m not sure what the objection is here.
Either you rule it as a contiguous attack (which seems to obviously be the case to me at least) or you rule it as a continuous effect (in which case the standard timeframe reference is 1 second which would give the same result).

 

[Damage3245]

Although it technically isn't the exact same situation, they actually are analogous.

We could also think of it in this way:
Say a character A pushes a 4 ton block of concrete with his telekinesis.
Now, A simultaneously pushes 4 concrete blocks, each one with a mass of 1 ton.
Even though in the second case A pushes 4 separate blocks, we know there exists a single energy source that's allowing for this movement (A), and since all blocks are being accelerated at once, then this scenario is energetically equivalent to the first one, as both require the same energy output. Whether the blocks are glued together or not doesn’t really matter.

Gyutaro's attack is no different from this. While he released multiple blades, all of them were accelerated at once, that means he was pouring energy into each blade at the same time. And there really is nothing stopping him from pouring all this energy on a single blade if he wanted to.​

I'm not sure about the scaling of Gyutaro's calced attack here to his ordinary attacks - while you raise a valid point about energy output, consider that there's multiple cases in fiction where it isn't as simple as all of a character's attacks are the same potency. Naruto can create a Rasengan, a Rasenshuriken and a Biju Bomb all out of the same root source; chakra, but they vary in potency. Goku can fire generic Ki blasts, and also fire a Kamehameha which is far more powerful.

 

[Epyriel]

I'm not sure about the scaling of Gyutaro's calced attack here to his ordinary attacks - while you raise a valid point about energy output, consider that there's multiple cases in fiction where it isn't as simple as all of a character's attacks are the same potency. Naruto can create a Rasengan, a Rasenshuriken and a Biju Bomb all out of the same root source; chakra, but they vary in potency. Goku can fire generic Ki blasts, and also fire a Kamehameha which is far more powerful.

That’s true, but I think the difference here is that all those examples rely on characters employing specific techniques to get more out of the same energy source.

Gyutaro’s blood blades are the same technique he uses regularly in smaller more concentrated attacks while also employing for the final release that levelled the district (which can be seen in how Gyutaro’s more concentrated slashes could tear through Tengen, but dozens of slashes from the final release didn’t do much to an even weaker Tengen).

It also bears noting that a lot of those more powerful techniques have a tradeoff in greater stamina consumption, giving characters a reason to hold off on using them in favour of lesser attacks. However demons don’t have this incentive as they can go full tilt for as long as they want.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

I'm not sure about the scaling of Gyutaro's calced attack here to his ordinary attacks - while you raise a valid point about energy output, consider that there's multiple cases in fiction where it isn't as simple as all of a character's attacks are the same potency. Naruto can create a Rasengan, a Rasenshuriken and a Biju Bomb all out of the same root source; chakra, but they vary in potency. Goku can fire generic Ki blasts, and also fire a Kamehameha which is far more powerful.

I'm not saying that all of Gyutaro's attacks have the same potency, but that he’s able to invest the same amount of energy into any of his techniques should he wanted to, which is what a Non-Physical Energy System guarantees.
The same is true for characters from Naruto, Dragon Ball, One Piece or My Hero Academia. Many of them are scaled to their ultimate or most powerful attacks without major details, as examples we have:

• Super Perfect Cell scaling to Solar System because his final Kamehameha being able to destroy the Solar System, which most likely was the strongest attack he ever used.
• White Beard scaling to his world wide earthquake, his strongest technique and the most powerful feat from the verse.
• Deku scaling to his final smash. Although it’s clarified that he only scales when using OFA at 100%, they still make no distinction from his other techniques.
• Naruto scaling to the power of his biju bombs, even those that require charging time.

And I guess that all these examples are based on the existing Universal Energy Systems on each verse and Non-Physical Energy System in MHA.

On the other hand, I think it’s highly unlikely Gyuataro hadn’t gone all out earlier in the battle, specially in his final fight against Tengen, where he was seething with rage after Tanjiro tricked him, he even was impressed of Tengen being able to deflect his BDA, which made him even angrier. And there really weren’t many reasons for Gyutaro to hold back, as he can’t get tired from using his techniques. Moreover, and as Epyriel noted, his final attack was just another instance of an attack he had used various times before, but now on a larger scale.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Or saying something like Sukuna’s Malevolent Shrine is actually Wall level since it generates thousands of individual slashes at once.

Hold on, let Bro cook with this one.

 

[NikHelton]

but dozens of slashes from the final release didn’t do much to an even weaker Tengen

Review the scene again. None of the blades hit them. The blades destroyed everything they touched, but passed them by.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

I do want to bring up two issues:
1) Why does Gyuutaro scale to it? He's already half dead. That's like saying a human should scale to a suicide vest (Dark I know, but still)
2) How far are Tanjiro and Tengen from Gyuutaro? Any distance, even less than a meter, means they don't scale to the full force of the attack.
In the manga, they aren't even hit by it.

 

[NikHelton]

Characters are covered and thrown back by the shock wave from the sickles, but we haven't seen them take these attacks directly without damage.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

Tbc, I don't have an issue with Muzan scaling to Gyuutaro's Final Attack. As the Demon King and second strongest in his verse, he should be superior to an Upper Moon 6

 

[Nehz_XZX]

1) Why does Gyuutaro scale to it? He's already half dead. That's like saying a human should scale to a suicide vest (Dark I know, but still)

That's still Gyutaro's own power doing that and due to his Regeneration nothing would prevent him from constantly spamming suicide attacks and this is assuming that this specific attack would count as one. In the first place a character performing an attack while half-dead would usually be considered an argument for fully scaling due to reduced stamina and wounds holding them back though that point wouldn't apply to Gyutaro as a demon.

 

[FelpeXDopZ]

1) Why does Gyuutaro scale to it? He's already half dead. That's like saying a human should scale to a suicide vest (Dark I know, but still)

Right before getting beheaded, Gyutaro said that he needed to use his Rotatory Slashes of Death (probably to get Tanjiro and Tengen off him), but he wasn’t fast enough and got beheaded before he could use his attack, which is why it is released afterwards. It was not a suicidal attack, he just didn't managed to use his regular technique in time.

2) How far are Tanjiro and Tengen from Gyuutaro? Any distance, even less than a meter, means they don't scale to the full force of the attack.

Nobody is actually saying they were hit by whole attack.