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Ben 10: Tier 4 Upgrade

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What is currently left to do here? 🙏
 
Antvasima said:
What is currently left to do here? 🙏
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The current conclusions are:

OS Vilgax and OS Way Big would scale to 1/10 of UAF Vilgax, and Kevin 12 would scale to 1/10th of OS Way Big.

The rest of the OS cast would scale to "High 6-A, possibly 4-B" for the lack of Tier 4 feats and getting stomped by Vilgax, but with the possibility of being 4B for being able to not die by that stomps.

And I'm planning to upgrade Teen Diamondhead to "4-B physically, way higher with Crystal Constructs" in AP and "4-B+" in his durability.
Although this was recommended to be done in another CRT.
 
GeneralSol16 said:
The rest of the OS cast would scale to "High 6-A, possibly 4-B" for the lack of Tier 4 feats and getting stomped by Vilgax, but with the possibility of being 4B for being able to not die by that stomps.
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Wouldn't it more accurate to say "High 6-A, at most 4-B" in this case?
 
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While I think I was the one to advocate for it in the original High 6-A thread, I don’t think they should fully scale to the Great One anymore since its shell is only barely cracked by Four Arms (who is also the only alien to do any damage at all). It’s still a good feat to mention for Four Arms, but scaling to the Sub-Energy would be better.

Edit: Actually, is the Talpaedan calc still useable? I know there was a thread about it but did that ever go anywhere?
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
While I think I was the one to advocate for it in the original High 6-A thread, I don’t think they should fully scale to the Great One anymore since its shell is only barely cracked by Four Arms (who is also the only alien to do any damage at all). It’s still a good feat to mention for Four Arms, but scaling to the Sub-Energy would be better.

Edit: Actually, is the Talpaedan calc still useable? I know there was a thread about it but did that ever go anywhere?
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We can scale via Kevin 11 who could match fourarms and was later harmed by Diamondhead. And later on 2nd form malware matched fourarms then Feedback could defeat him.... you get my point how we can still establish a chain.
 
Ghengiroo115 said:
While I think I was the one to advocate for it in the original High 6-A thread, I don’t think they should fully scale to the Great One anymore since its shell is only barely cracked by Four Arms (who is also the only alien to do any damage at all). It’s still a good feat to mention for Four Arms, but scaling to the Sub-Energy would be better.
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Four Arms upscales because the H6A energy didn't do anything to rhe Great One's shell, but Ben did, even if it was that small crack.
Ghengiroo115 said:
Edit: Actually, is the Talpaedan calc still useable? I know there was a thread about it but did that ever go anywhere?
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No, they scale to UAF Era, not OS.
 
GeneralSol16 said:
Four Arms upscales because the H6A energy didn't do anything to rhe Great One's shell, but Ben did, even if it was that small crack.
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Yeah true

GeneralSol16 said:
That feat was done by specimens way older than Ben, and have matched UAF Era characters, so, noup.
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GeneralSol16 said:
No, they scale to UAF Era, not OS.
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I remember before we used the justification of OS characters being comparable to a lot of average or above average members of different species Ben has access to (the adult Vulpimancers Phil summons, the Tetramand member of the Galactic Enforcers, Zs'Skayr and his minions, etc) in order to scale his OS aliens above the average Talpaedan, but I guess if Mechamorphs are that much stronger than OS Upgrade then it's probs too inconsistent to assume that anymore.
 
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I remember before we used the justification of OS characters being comparable to a lot of average or above average members of different species Ben has access to (the adult Vulpimancers Phil summons, the Tetramand member of the Galactic Enforcers, Zs'Skayr and his minions, etc) in order to scale his OS aliens above the average Talpaedan, but I guess if Mechamorphs are that much stronger than OS Upgrade then it's probs too inconsistent to assume that anymore.
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An Average Talpaedan would be Andreas, who was superior to UAF Kevin, Gwen and Jetray, who are way stronger than practically all OS Era.

So yes, too much inconsistency.

Especially since none of a en aliens during UAF and OS were that superior to the garage specimen, actually, he lost more times than not.
 
@Firestorm808
Please let us know if you completely agree with OS Aliens scaling to Atleast High 6-A, atmost 4-B so that this thread can reach a conclusion and be applied to OS profiles.
 
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So uh...Kevin 12 is scaled to 1/10th of OS Way Big, who gets his rating from Vilgax.

This means he's roughly 1/10th of Vilgax, yet Kevin 11 gets his at most rating from scaling to Vilgax...and Kevin 12 is directly stated by the man himself to be stronger than that mutation.

I feel this creates problems.
 
BlastX said:
So uh...Kevin 12 is scaled to 1/10th of OS Way Big, who gets his rating from Vilgax.

This means he's roughly 1/10th of Vilgax, yet Kevin 11 gets his at most rating from scaling to Vilgax...and Kevin 12 is directly stated by the man himself to be stronger than that mutation.

I feel this creates problems.
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Way Big is much stronger than Vilgax, like... much stronger, so he is much above 1/10 of Vilgax... however much stronger Way Big is than Vilgax
 
BlastX said:
So uh...Kevin 12 is scaled to 1/10th of OS Way Big, who gets his rating from Vilgax.

This means he's roughly 1/10th of Vilgax, yet Kevin 11 gets his at most rating from scaling to Vilgax...and Kevin 12 is directly stated by the man himself to be stronger than that mutation.

I feel this creates problems.
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Other aliens contribute to Kevin 12 as well so he shouldn't just scale to 10.4226 GigaFoe, but instead: 10.4226 GigaFoe, atmost >104.226 GigaFoe while mutated Kevin 11 scales to 5.71 Exatons, atmost 104.226 GigaFoe
 
Done with applying changes to all the profiles except Ascalon because its tier is being revised. Please do let me know if I'm missing something.
 
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