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Hello. Now that the Cosmology has been done, we need to discuss actual scaling now and somethings I discovered.
God by DeMatteis' Point of View:
- Firstly, we need to explain what God/Creator is in DeMatteis' stories, and where many may believe this is controversial , but I don't think so. DeMatteis stated that anytime he mentions God/Creator in his stories, he is referring to the same God, and your interpretation of 'God' as he defines it depends on whatever you interpret God to be. So, I am going to argue two things: One, we can use any depiction of God from any of his stories (yes, even the non-Marvel ones such as Seekers into the Mystery, since his depiction of God doesn't change fundamentally across his stories and they all have practically the exact same overall theme, so thusly they can all scale to each other. This isn't saying they are all canon to each other though) . Two, any interpretation(s) of God we have would be correct in this sense, as JM DeMatteis' states this on Twitter --- multiple --- times, and on his JM DeMatteis' site, as well as stating that when it comes to The Divine, we cannot limit the limitless, which he also states here that God is whatever interpretation we have and that he is far bigger than any one belief system, and that context it is an all-encompassing we, essentially saying no matter what interpretation you come up with, it is God.
Tier Upgrade for the Top to God Tiers (Only lower than High 1-A+ for Top Tiers and High 1-A+ for the God Tiers)
- All of Creation / Dream is literally said in Strange Tales 1998 issue #2 that the Dream is effectively an expression of all that The Divine Creator is, which, means it's a direct expression of everything that God is, which fricking changes everything (This isn't like Dreaming a limited version of yourself into creation like Seeker's God, it is literally like Seeker's God dreaming everything that it is into the Dream itself) . I'm not even going to imagine what kind of hax such a thing gives them so Imma just save that for another time for another part.
Scaling:
So, a TL;DR
God by DeMatteis' Point of View:
- Firstly, we need to explain what God/Creator is in DeMatteis' stories, and where many may believe this is controversial , but I don't think so. DeMatteis stated that anytime he mentions God/Creator in his stories, he is referring to the same God, and your interpretation of 'God' as he defines it depends on whatever you interpret God to be. So, I am going to argue two things: One, we can use any depiction of God from any of his stories (yes, even the non-Marvel ones such as Seekers into the Mystery, since his depiction of God doesn't change fundamentally across his stories and they all have practically the exact same overall theme, so thusly they can all scale to each other. This isn't saying they are all canon to each other though) . Two, any interpretation(s) of God we have would be correct in this sense, as JM DeMatteis' states this on Twitter --- multiple --- times, and on his JM DeMatteis' site, as well as stating that when it comes to The Divine, we cannot limit the limitless, which he also states here that God is whatever interpretation we have and that he is far bigger than any one belief system, and that context it is an all-encompassing we, essentially saying no matter what interpretation you come up with, it is God.
Tier Upgrade for the Top to God Tiers (Only lower than High 1-A+ for Top Tiers and High 1-A+ for the God Tiers)
- All of Creation / Dream is literally said in Strange Tales 1998 issue #2 that the Dream is effectively an expression of all that The Divine Creator is, which, means it's a direct expression of everything that God is, which fricking changes everything (This isn't like Dreaming a limited version of yourself into creation like Seeker's God, it is literally like Seeker's God dreaming everything that it is into the Dream itself) . I'm not even going to imagine what kind of hax such a thing gives them so Imma just save that for another time for another part.
Scaling:
- Men of Lineage scale naturally as they are designed to be capable of maintaining the Dream (Strange Tales 1998 issue #2 states this via the Book of Life) . The Nexus of All Realities is also referred to as the focal point of the Dream in those scans I linked in the prior statement so anyone scaling to All of Creation scales , which would be all the High 1-As.
- The Fallen Stars scale as Terminus as revealed here (The Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Mystical Arcana The Book of Marvel Magic) was able to destroy the Nexus outright, and Sorrow is stated as capable of manipulating the Nexus of All Realities in the same scan.
- Job Burke scales as he is described as beyond Adam Ka'dmon's comprehension (Strange Tales 1998 issue #2), and alongside Ted Salis became the "Love that Formed the Whim that Formed Creation" and restored the Dream. He and those who scale to Job Burke / Ted Salis become High 1-A+ via literally becoming The Divine Creator's Love, which sustains and empowers Oblivion.
- Anyone amped by a Nexus Fragment is High 1-A as according to what DeMatteis revealed in the marvunapp as well as what was officially published here, Owen (a normal human) empowered by the Final Nexus Fragment is able to kill Job. An single Nexus amps someone to be above Job Burke.
- Adam Ka'dmon would scale as he is a Men of Lineage, the initial Men of Lineage. Man-Thing can not only handle the amp from having the power of Ted Salis, Ka'dmon and the Fallen Stars, but also later on the Nexus of All Realities (Both scans are from Peter Parker Annual 1999 and both come from the same issue).
- Scrier is more than capable of at least defeating him normally (Peter Parker Annual 1999). Scrier and The Other scale to each other (Mighty Thor 2011 Annual, all of the rest of the scans in this section is from it) , as not only would Scrier and The Other clashing obliterate everything in existence. Oblivion directly hints Scrier directly manipulated these events to his whims , so Galactus actually scaling directly to them is immediately put into question and likely isn't the case. Oblivion also believes that the Divine Creator is beyond our imagining.
- You might be wondering if Silver Surfer , Spider-Man (with the amp from Adam Ka'dmon), and Doctor Strange are the most mentioned and consistent characters in DeMatteis' stories, why don't they have keys ? Well, I have plans to do so, as they have very important roles in DeMatteis' stories from a cosmic standpoint (in the order of important between them being Surfer, Strange, then Spidey) but they will be in another thread altogether as they are an entirely different can of worms, and yes while they don't scale to the God-Tiers they actually still do have High 1-A showings of their own (Doctor Strange straight up keeping all of Creation from being destroyed at the beginning of Man Thing III being one of them, Silver Surfer managing to fight an Avatar of The Other [avatar is keyword, he doesn't stand a chance against the true entity], etc) which makes the scaling so much more stupid than it already is considering it does open the door for Galactus scaling obviously if Silver Surfer and Strange scale, considering both of them considered an Galactus copy stated to be just as formidable as the original literal suicide.
So, a TL;DR
- God is consistently referred to by JM DeMattteis as not only any interpretation of God / The Divine that we have or can come up with, but also referred to as being the same one as any of his stories (which would include non-Marvel Ones, this is the biggest thing I wanted to try and make official)
- The Dream is the expression of all that The Divine Creator is, thusly it would be essentially everything that God is. We are ignoring the hax implications of this however.
- Top Tiers get upgraded to only below High 1-A+.You can talk down below if you believe they do deserve Type 1 or not, but they definitely aren't Type 2.
- God-Tiers (the only ones would be Ted Salis with Job Burke and Franlin Richards become explicitly High 1-A+). Ted Salis/Job Burke via two beings being capable of becoming the Love that formed the Whim that formed Creation, which is referring to The Divine Creator's Love as a safe assumption, which sustains and empowers True Form Oblivion and is The Divine Creator's powers. Franklin due to overloading Man-Thing with so much power it was killing him subconsciously, despite being Man-Thing being able to handle not only handle the amp from having the power of Ted Salis, Ka'dmon and the Fallen Stars, but also later on the amp of The Nexus of All Realities (Both scans are from Peter Parker Annual 1999) ONTOP of that. Man-Thing can handle all of that yet can't handle Franklin's subconscious, casual, and effortless usage of his powers.
- Consider this a Part 1 of my own DeMatteis Revision as there is other things I want to do, I just wanted to get the most important tidbits out of the way in this Part.
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