Ben 10: Tier 4 Upgrade

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Bump

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

Now that I think about it, Aggregor bypassed the 10% aspect by absorbing the aliens in their entirety.

This was then passed into Kevin. Shouldn't this also bypass the 10% aspect.

I'll revise the formulas in a bit.

Aggregor was absorbed all powers/energy/matter of 5 Aliens
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[Hellformer]

Are the calc staffs that busy?

 

[Antvasima]

Can you please confirm that this math is valid for scaling?

@Ugarik @Damage3245 @TheRustyOne @Armorchompy @Psychomaster35 @CloverDragon03 @KLOL506 @Dark-Carioca

We seem to need your help here.

 

[Antvasima]

Are the calc staffs that busy?

Unfortunately, most of them do not tend to respond to important pings in my experience.

 

[KLOL506]

@Ugarik @Damage3245 @TheRustyOne @Armorchompy @Psychomaster35 @CloverDragon03 @KLOL506 @Dark-Carioca

We seem to need your help here.

Evaluated the calc, math is fine, but not gonna touch the scaling aspect with a 10-meter pole, not my role anyway- that's for thread mods and admins.

 

[Hellformer]

Evaluated the calc, math is fine, but not gonna touch the scaling aspect with a 10-meter pole, not my role anyway- that's for thread mods and admins.

Thanks for your response

 

[Firestorm808]

Evaluated the calc, math is fine, but not gonna touch the scaling aspect with a 10-meter pole, not my role anyway- that's for thread mods and admins.

Thank you for your time.

 

[Hellformer]

Thank you for your time.

How do we proceed with the evaluations?

 

[Firestorm808]

Let's summarize all the proposed upscaled values for the characters based on the scaling chain below.

Dagon > Ult Way Big > Atomix > or = Way Big > Eatle Beams = Lucubra Vilgax = Ascalon > or = Ult Humungousaur = Ultimate Kevin Post Aggregor > Ultimate Aggregor = 4-B Calc

Ultimate Aggregor = 9.47508618e56 Joules, or 9.475 TeraFOE (4-B)

Ult Humungousaur, Ultimate Kevin Post Aggregor = 10.4226 TeraFoe (4-B+)

Eatle Beams, Lucubra Vilgax, Ascalon = At least 10.4226 TeraFoe (4-B+)

Atomix, Way Big = 45.7621 TeraFoe (4-A)

Ult Way Big, Dagon = At least 45.7621 TeraFoe (4-A)

 

[Hellformer]

Let's summarize all the proposed upscaled values for the characters based on the scaling chain below.

Dagon > Ult Way Big > Atomix > or = Way Big > Eatle Beams = Lucubra Vilgax = Ascalon > or = Ult Humungousaur = Ultimate Kevin Post Aggregor > Ultimate Aggregor = 4-B Calc

Ultimate Aggregor = 9.47508618e56 Joules, or 9.475 TeraFOE (4-B)

Ult Humungousaur, Ultimate Kevin Post Aggregor = 10.4226 TeraFoe (4-B+)

Eatle Beams, Lucubra Vilgax, Ascalon = At least 10.4226 TeraFoe (4-B+)

Way Big = 45.7621 TeraFoe (4-A)

Atomix, Ult Way Big, and Dagon = At least 45.7621 TeraFoe (4-A)

I would suggest Waybig≈Atomix for now.
But can all this be applied?

 

[Firestorm808]

I would suggest Waybig≈Atomix for now.
But can all this be applied?

If @DarkDragonMedeus is fine with it, we can proceed with the upscaled values.

Not sure how to handle the downscaling of the regular aliens.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

If @DarkDragonMedeus is fine with it, we can proceed with the upscaled values.

Not sure how to handle the downscaling of the regular aliens.

He say is fine if Firestorm agree with it

 

[Hellformer]

If @DarkDragonMedeus is fine with it, we can proceed with the upscaled values.

Not sure how to handle the downscaling of the regular aliens.

Ben 10: Tier 4 Upgrade

Little Bump!

vsbattles.com

Firestorm's interpretation is a fine interpretation by me
(~DDM)

 

[Firestorm808]

Ben 10: Tier 4 Upgrade

Little Bump!

vsbattles.com

Firestorm's interpretation is a fine interpretation by me
(~DDM)

The upscaled tiers can proceed.

 

[Hellformer]

The upscaled tiers can proceed.

Do we need a blog for AP calc done in the previous page?

 

[Firestorm808]

Do we need a blog for AP calc done in the previous page?

We will be transferring all our calcs to the scaling info page, yes.

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

It should be removed this?

• Ascalon, scaling above Galvan weaponry, which further scales above Highbreed weaponry, places it above the destructive capacity of Element X (capable of destroying a solar system) and the Entropy Pump (capable of annihilating reality across several light years). Sir George with ascalon could evenly match the likes of Ultimate Humungousaur thus scaling to atleast 10.4226 TeraFoe (4-B+).

 

[Hellformer]

It should be removed this?

Nah let it be. That Azmuth statement serves as consistency medium for tier 4 scaling.
Regarding Ascalon's actual tier, it will be revised in Celestial_25's thread.

 

[Firestorm808]

How should we reword the AP justification for OS Way Big?

 

[Hellformer]

How should we reword the AP justification for OS Way Big?

Solar System level (Crushed Multiple attack robots of Vilgax who were able to contend and overpower OS Diamondhead)

 

[Firestorm808]

Solar System level (Crushed Multiple attack robots of Vilgax who were able to contend and overpowered OS Diamondhead)

How does that justify the 4-B rating?

 

[Hellformer]

How does that give the 4-B rating?

Scales above diamondhead who scales to 4-B via being 1/10th of his UAF form.
OS Waybig>Attack Robot>=OS Diamondhead

 

[Firestorm808]

Scales above diamondhead who scales to 4-B via being 1/10th of his UAF form.
OS Waybig>Attack Robot>=OS Diamondhead

Wait. Why did you revise those? We agreed to wait before applying any downscaling values.

 

[Hellformer]

Wait. Why did you revise those? We agreed to wait before applying any downscaling values.

The upscaled tiers can proceed.

Oh sorry I made a mistake while reading.

 

[Firestorm808]

Oh sorry I made a mistake while reading.

Please revert the OS changes so we can discuss them properly.

 

[Hellformer]

Please revert the OS changes so we can discuss them properly.

Done with the changes

 

[Ultimate-Rex1]

It should be close this now?

 

[Hellformer]

It should be close this now?

Nope, firestorm wants to discuss changes in few OS profiles

 

[GeneralSol16]

Please revert the OS changes so we can discuss them properly.

Shouldn't they just downscale from being 1/10th of UAF Vilgax?

And Atomix should be "At least 4-A", since he uotscales / scales from someone who upscales from Way Big.

 

[Hellformer]

Shouldn't they just downscale from being 1/10th of UAF Vilgax?

And Atomix should be "At least 4-A", since he uotscales / scales from someone who upscales from Way Big.

I'll downgrade that fodder

 

[GeneralSol16]

I'll downgrade that fodder

Over my dead body.

 

[Hellformer]

Over my dead body.

Bahaha

 

[Lort15]

I'll downgrade that fodder

plz

 

[Reiner04]

Over my dead body.

Alright.

 

[GeneralSol16]

Bump

 

[Firestorm808]

Done with the changes

To clarify, what is our scaling chain and reasoning for AF/UA aliens that scale below Ultimate Aggregor?

 

[Hellformer]

To clarify, what is our scaling chain and reasoning for AF/UA aliens that scale below Ultimate Aggregor?

As per the accepted calc on the previous page, the AF/UA Aliens scale to 11/100 of Ultimate Aggregor's AP.
Reason:

• Ultimate Kevin could match UA Aggregor's AP before absorbing him.
• Ultimate Kevin could contend with Ultimate Humungousaur who is ten times stronger than his base form.

Therefore the classic counterparts downscale further to 1/10th of AF/UA or 11/1000 of Ultimate Aggregor's AP

 

[GeneralSol16]

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To clarify, what is our scaling chain and reasoning for AF/UA aliens that scale below Ultimate Aggregor?

UAF cast downscales from Ultimate Humungousaur, 1/10th.

OS Era would scale to 1/10th of their UAF Cast, or 1/100th of the Ultimate Aliens.

 

[Firestorm808]

As per the accepted calc on the previous page, the AF/UA Aliens scale to 11/100 of Ultimate Aggregor's AP.
Reason:

• Ultimate Kevin could match UA Aggregor's AP before absorbing him.
• Ultimate Kevin could contend with Ultimate Humungousaur who is ten times stronger than his base form.

Therefore the classic counterparts downscale further to 1/10th of AF/UA or 11/1000 of Ultimate Aggregor's AP

The formula was using the highball average for each alien of X equaling peak Humungousaur.

Do we have the proper scaling chains that show which aliens scale to base or peak Humungousaur?