Possible Megumin upgrades

[MidnightDawn1]

Hi everyone. I wanted to bring up an old topic but after looking back at it I’m honestly quite confused on what was the issue.

Being abrupt, I want to upgrade Megumin to at least small city level, but I feel she should be mountain level.

The opening of the short story, Two Mages.

Konosuba Popularity poll: Megumin Short story

The Two Mages TL: Cannongerbil Editor: Striker [This is the second short story that was released on the sneaker bunko site for the top three winners of the popularity contest.]

cgtranslations.me

“Explosion!!”

A large explosion blossomed over the rocky mountains not too far from Axel.

When the shockwave and dust cloud subsided, only a large crater remained.

It’s pretty straightforward, Megumin explosion destroyed mountains (plural btw). And remember her explosions don’t just destroy they vaporise.

Even using an accepted standard calculation for a mountain tip being - Vaporization: 93024.9579748m^3 * 27050 J/cc = 2.51632511 × 1015 joules or 601.4161352772466671 Kilotons of TNT (Large Town level+)

(https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Dalesean027/Destroying_a_mountains_tip)

Taking the plural use of mountains - bare minimum of 2. Multiplying that gives
1202.83 kilotons of TNT which aligns her with City level AP (6.3x10^6 to 10^8)

And that’s being humble. As there is a small mountain destruction calculation.
(https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mountain_and_Island_Level_Requirements#Small_Mountain_Destruction)

Which assumes the vaporisation of a singular mountain resulting in Island Level AP (2.052e19 Joules)

 

[TheShape03]

Vaporizing something once doesn't mean that attack will vaporize anything it destroys. It needs to be proven that, in this specific case, the mountains were reduced to vapor (It's probably just Pulverization, as a "dust cloud" is mentioned).

Other than that, I agree that Megumin should be at least Low 7-B or 7-B because of this.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Vaporizing something once doesn't mean that attack will vaporize anything it destroys. It needs to be proven that, in this specific case, the mountains were reduced to vapor (It's probably just Pulverization, as a "dust cloud" is mentioned).

Other than that, I agree that Megumin should be at least Low 7-B or 7-B because of this.

I mean all her explosions leave a dust cloud and anytime it’s portrayed it leaves nothing behind (that’s one of the reasons why it’s joke magic, as you can’t even sell the parts of the monsters you kill) but that effect can be achieved with pulverisation so eh. But my goal is to get her to City level so I’m not too huffed about her not being mountain level.

Thanks for engagement

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Also do you think this counts as electricity manip

“D-Don’t do that! Considering Aqua’s poor luck, she might end up getting caught in the blast! And look at Megumin! Her eyes are already shining brighter than ever…!”

Perhaps it is because of her continuous unleashing of high level magic, but Megumin, in addition to her glowing crimson eyes, was also surrounded by a constantly fluctuating halo of electricity.

 

[TheShape03]

Also do you think this counts as electricity manip

Yes. Completely useless for combat, but yes.

 

[Bernkastelll]

Hi everyone. I wanted to bring up an old topic but after looking back at it I’m honestly quite confused on what was the issue.

Being abrupt, I want to upgrade Megumin to at least small city level, but I feel she should be mountain level.

The opening of the short story, Two Mages.

Konosuba Popularity poll: Megumin Short story

The Two Mages TL: Cannongerbil Editor: Striker [This is the second short story that was released on the sneaker bunko site for the top three winners of the popularity contest.]

cgtranslations.me

It’s pretty straightforward, Megumin explosion destroyed mountains (plural btw). And remember her explosions don’t just destroy they vaporise.

Even using an accepted standard calculation for a mountain tip being - Vaporization: 93024.9579748m^3 * 27050 J/cc = 2.51632511 × 1015 joules or 601.4161352772466671 Kilotons of TNT (Large Town level+)

(https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Dalesean027/Destroying_a_mountains_tip)

Taking the plural use of mountains - bare minimum of 2. Multiplying that gives
1202.83 kilotons of TNT which aligns her with City level AP (6.3x10^6 to 10^8)

And that’s being humble. As there is a small mountain destruction calculation.
(https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Mountain_and_Island_Level_Requirements#Small_Mountain_Destruction)

Which assumes the vaporisation of a singular mountain resulting in Island Level AP (2.052e19 Joules)

Wait wait, i'm pretty sure this was already discussed before, the only reason Megumin feat wasnt accepted was because there was some problems with the translation, and they rejected it unless someone bring the raws

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Wait wait, i'm pretty sure this was already discussed before, the only reason Megumin feat wasnt accepted was because there was some problems with the translation, and they rejected it until someone brought the raws

Ah so it was a translation issue. Because I remember it being brought up but forget why it was rejected.

 

[FrenzyUND]

The last Yorimichi volume ( which takes place on V7 ) clarifies that, at the time of V7, Megumin's Explosion was strong enough to wipe half the city.

Wiz made a magical item that could blow up, its explosion was said to rival Megumin's, and it was stated that it would have destroyed half of Axel:

By V9 her Explosion gets several times stronger, and by EOS, on V17, again several times stronger.

Explosion in S3 ( which adapts V6 ), next to Axel:

Next to the capital:

 

[TheShape03]

The last Yorimichi volume ( which takes place on V7 ) clarifies that, at the time of V7, Megumin's Explosion was strong enough to wipe half the city.

Has Yen Press already translated Yorimichi or is it a fan translation? Anyway, that needs to be calculated first.

 

[FrenzyUND]

Fantranslation.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

The last Yorimichi volume ( which takes place on V7 ) clarifies that, at the time of V7, Megumin's Explosion was strong enough to wipe half the city.

Wiz made a magical item that could blow up, its explosion was said to rival Megumin's, and it was stated that it would have destroyed half of Axel:

By V9 her Explosion gets several times stronger, and by EOS, on V17, again several times stronger.

Explosion in S3 ( which adapts V6 ), next to Axel:

Next to the capital:

Even affirms that Megumin is stronger. As it says “Could rival” so it’s just comparable, and I’m assuming Kazuma is the POV we are following? So he would know absolutely how strong Megumins explosions are.

Man it’s annoying when you just know she’s that strong but you can’t prove it

 

[FrenzyUND]

Yeah Kazuma's the POV.

I mean it is proved that Megumin is that strong, it's not even up for debate.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Yeah Kazuma's the POV.

I mean it is proved that Megumin is that strong, it's not even up for debate.

Yeah it’s annoying. Even on Reddit some don’t want country level Aqua (no restrictions).

But it make sense to me, Sentouin characters have nukes that can destroy a country, these same characters meet an Angel, all of them tremble in fear of said Angel making it clear that the Angel is above them. Angels are servants to the gods. So Aqua can scale.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Im getting closer to the case. These are the Chinese raws
——-
「『Explosion』——————！」
爆裂魔法打在阿克塞爾附近的岩山上。
猛力肆虐的爆炸氣流平息後，現場只留下一個巨大的隕石坑。
「哼哼哼……今天又有可憐的犧牲者成為吾之力量的食糧了啊……不過，你的存在並非從此消失殆盡。沒錯，你已經成為大魔道士惠惠的經驗值，永遠活在我的體內……！」
趴倒在地上的大魔道士說個沒完。
「是啊是啊，你打倒的離群狗頭人一定會一直活在你的心中吧。好了，快把手舉起來方便我背你。」
「喂，我還沉浸在和怪物展開激戰之後的餘韻之中，你可以不要提什麼離群狗頭人嗎？這樣聽起來整個規模都弱掉了。」
哪有什麼好弱不弱掉的，事實就是你發現離開群體而落單的狗頭人，從遠方偷襲人家，除此之外什麼都不是啊……
「……嗯？喂，你看得到那邊的狗頭人嗎？而且還有兩隻……」
或許是聽到爆炸聲了吧，有人從遠方觀望著我們這邊。
我用千里眼技能看過去，果然是狗頭人無誤。
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The main difference between this and the English translation from CGtranslations. Is that he used Mountains (plural) opposed to the Chinese translation Mountain (singular), I know it’s not the Japanese raws (working on it) but I was aware that Japanese has Kanji (the use of Chinese characters) in their writing system.

So it’s possible that
岩山 (いわやま, iwayama) [Japanese] and
岩山 (yán shān) [Chinese] are using the same characters.

——-

 

[TheShape03]

I looked up the original website where the story was published, used Google Translate, and that's what came up.

It seems to also say "mountain" in the singular. This wouldn't be the first time CGTranslations has changed things in its translations.

Since nothing remains of the mountain, this is easily City level. Does anyone know where this story is supposed to fit in the timeline?

 

[MidnightDawn1]

I looked up the original website where the story was published, used Google Translate, and that's what came up.

It seems to also say "mountain" in the singular. This wouldn't be the first time CGTranslations has changed things in its translations.

Since nothing remains of the mountain, this is easily City level. Does anyone know where this story is supposed to fit in the timeline?

Brudda, where did you find the Japanese raws??? I spent a good while looking for them. In fact where have you been if you had these, the whole reason why she wasn’t city level is because no one could verify that the Japanese text said “mountain”

But yeah this is easily city level at the minimum.

 

[TheShape03]

Brudda, where did you find the Japanese raws???

CGTranslations left a link at the beginning of their translation. The story is currently deleted, but that's what the Wayback Machine is for.

spent a good while looking for them. In fact where have you been if you had these, the whole reason why she wasn’t city level is because no one could verify that the Japanese text said “mountain”

To be fair, Megumin should have been 7-B years ago. The official Yen Press translation of Volume 6 (or 7, I don't remember well) says that Megumin reduced a mountain to pebbles, but for some reason in previous threads, people here trusted CGTranslation's translation more (which says something completely different) :v.

This verse needs a general discussion thread, btw.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

I looked up the original website where the story was published, used Google Translate, and that's what came up.

It seems to also say "mountain" in the singular. This wouldn't be the first time CGTranslations has changed things in its translations.

Since nothing remains of the mountain, this is easily City level. Does anyone know where this story is supposed to fit in the timeline?

Ahhh way back machine. You’re a genius for that lmnl.

Nice then, this whole debate has come to an objective end. Megumin should be 7-B at a minimum for this feat.

The short story was released as a blue ray special, and it was also put in Yomirichi volume 2. So it takes place from volume 4-5 I believe.

 

[TheShape03]

Now we need a staff member to look at this.

If 6-B was accepted, then we should not lose hope that this will be accepted as well.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Now we need a staff member to look at this.

If 6-B was accepted, then we should not lose hope that this will be accepted as well.

Oh yeah it will be. What’s interesting to me is that they’re allowing anime calculations now, since that’s why Kazuma is wall level.

I ain’t gonna complain. But I remember back 2021 when I was younger, I used to argue heavy to allow Anime feats and they all hit me with “no, anime feats aren’t valid. Other light novel series can use their anime feats but not Konosuba. Because **** you” so it’s funny the tables have turned.

But they’ve definitely got more cracked feats in there but this verse isn’t as popular as it used to be so I doubt any calls will be made.

 

[TheShape03]

Oh yeah it will be. What’s interesting to me is that they’re allowing anime calculations now, since that’s why Kazuma is wall level.

To be honest, I was thinking of making a thread not only to remove that, but also to downgrade Kazuma's level to 10-A. But that will have to wait for me to cook some more things for the verse.

By the way, I created a general discussion thread. There's a lot to discuss because the profiles are quite outdated.

 

[FrenzyUND]

Tbf, IIRC the issue with this feat was that later on the story it was mentioned Kazuma and Megumin fought the monsters "on that mountain", that after the Explosion was cast:

“Well, killing a rookie killer isn’t anything to boast about. It’s natural that you wouldn’t have known about it. I wish I could be present, but we were engaged in a fierce battle with monsters over on that mountain…. A rookie killer, huh? Well, if I was present, it would’ve been defeated in a flash.”

So it could be argued that the spell left a crater on the mountain, rather than destroying the whole mountain as it seemed to imply on the beginning. If these were mountains, plural, then it could be that she destroyed one mountain and fought the monsters in one other mountain, if it was singular, then it's like I said, they were in a mountain and she made a crater on that mountain, before fighting the monsters.

The narration, at the beginning, would make no sense though if she had not destroyed at least one mountain, since it clearly states that it made a boom over the mountain(s) and only a crater was left after it.

 

[TheShape03]

Tbf, IIRC the issue with this feat was that later on the story it was mentioned Kazuma and Megumin fought the monsters "on that mountain", that after the Explosion was cast:


So it could be argued that the spell left a crater on the mountain, rather than destroying the whole mountain as it seemed to imply on the beginning. If these were mountains, plural, then it could be that she destroyed one mountain and fought the monsters in one other mountain, if it was singular, then it's like I said, they were in a mountain and she made a crater on that mountain, before fighting the monsters.

The narration, at the beginning, would make no sense though if she had not destroyed at least one mountain, since it clearly states that it made a boom over the mountain(s) and only a crater was left after it.

The original text seems to speak in the singular. However, one could assume that there are simply many mountains near Axel; the text makes it clear that after her explosion, all that remained was a crater.

 

[MidnightDawn1]

Tbf, IIRC the issue with this feat was that later on the story it was mentioned Kazuma and Megumin fought the monsters "on that mountain", that after the Explosion was cast:


So it could be argued that the spell left a crater on the mountain, rather than destroying the whole mountain as it seemed to imply on the beginning. If these were mountains, plural, then it could be that she destroyed one mountain and fought the monsters in one other mountain, if it was singular, then it's like I said, they were in a mountain and she made a crater on that mountain, before fighting the monsters.

The narration, at the beginning, would make no sense though if she had not destroyed at least one mountain, since it clearly states that it made a boom over the mountain(s) and only a crater was left after it.

Fair point. But IIRC correctly, she destroys the mountain and the explosion attracts more mobs to them.

"…Hmm? Can you see a kobold over there? And it looks like there are two of them…"

Perhaps drawn by the sound of the explosion, a few figures appeared behind a rocky outcropping in the distance and seemed to be looking our way.

Using my Farsight skill, I confirmed that they are indeed kobolds.

So it's possible that

1. They were on another mountain (We know multiple definitely exist, as in Volume 2 during the party swap story, they did the goblin quest on a mountain)

2. They were just referring to the mountain as an area in general, so people have something to reference for their prior location.

However it is a fair point, since this 4-6 Megumin, we can wait till we get that “reduced a mountain to pebbles” line to try and see if there’s more consistency