The Brick Fortress Tournament (2025) - Adam Jensen vs The Predator

[DemonicDude]

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Match Rules:

• Rules as stated in the Tournament.
• Both are 9-B, Likely 9-A
• Speed will be equalized
• No Prep Time
• Both start 40 meters away from each other
• Win Condition: As stated in the rules.
• Quarter Final match: 10 minutes of prep time for all Quarter final and onward matches for each combatant.
• Location:
• A Giant, ancient fortress structure, 3 kilometers wide, with towering broken pillars, shattered-windows, and a cracked stone floor with MAGMA in the core.
  The entire area is surrounded by collapsed walls and debris, with only a single, heavily reinforced iron gate that remains sealed shut. The battle must be fought to the end, as the unstable surroundings make climbing out impossible. If you get Tossed off the Fortress or inside the MAGMA Core, you lose the match , or your can lose in a fair fight or just exit the tournament yourself. (Choice is yours )
  
  (Location picture below)
  

  

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Result:

Characters:	Attack Potency:	Votes:
Adam Jensen:	0.22 tons Tons of Tnt / 920 Megajoules	7 (Not_Icarus, Demonic, Shadow, Noneless, Spin, Togepi, Koopa)
Predator:	0.01 Tons / 41.84 Megajoules physically. scales to 0.00656 Tons of TNT and 0.1220603449 with advanced weaponry (Scales to both calcs)
Inconclusive:

 

[koopa3144]

I'm on mobile rn, like I said in the tournament thread I'ma be busy for an hour or so more but I typed out my starting arguments beforehand so I’ll paste them here;
So, since Adam is pretty heavily armed and this isn't a hunt, the Predator here should be willing to use their advanced weaponry and keep on their Armors. The Predator is slightly weaker than Adam with advanced weaponry but has a much higher LS and can easily grapple him which can quickly lead into Predator finishing him off. Considering that a Predators have a more complex and dangerous martial art then what humans have and can take down the most skilled warriors in the galaxy, they should be able to easily overwhelm Adam in CQC. Both have ways to counter the others stealth and cloaking so they can't really try and sneak up on the other. For the ranged game, the Predators Phoenix Armor is gonna absorb any energy-based attacks and use them to recharge its energy supply so Adam's energy weapons ain't gonna be effective and his other projectiles are gonna be destroyed by the Killscreen Generator vaporizing them.

 

[DemonicDude]

Both has very similar blade takdown kill styles.

But yeah Predator taking down the most skilled warriors in the galaxy does indeed gives them the edge. I wonder if Adam' Typhoon bomb would do significant damage ? yeah, this seems like a good fight due to how much advanced these characters are. Let's not overwork ourselves we'll do this later or tomorrow whenever you are free Koopa, Best of luck, much love.

 

[Shadowslash125]

How did this get to FC/OC?

 

[DemonicDude]

How did this get to FC/OC?

Oh crap, asking a mod right away to move this.

 

[Firestorm808]

Moved.

 

[DemonicDude]

Moved.

 

[koopa3144]

I'm now back at my computer!

But yeah Predator taking down the most skilled warriors in the galaxy does indeed gives them the edge. I wonder if Adam' Typhoon bomb would do significant damage ?

If it hits the Pred it could be damaging but there's nothing really stopping the Pred from grappling him and preventing him from slamming the ground.

 

[DemonicDude]

I'm now back at my computer!

If it hits the Pred it could be damaging but there's nothing really stopping the Pred from grappling him and preventing him from slamming the ground.

Invisibility Activation perhaps

 

[koopa3144]

Invisibility Activation perhaps

The Pred should be able to see through it with Bio-mask's infrared and other sight settings or by just emitting a pulse from its body to track and highlight Adams location.

 

[Not_Icarus]

Typhoon doesn't need fancy movements to work since they worked just fine instantaneously in the comics. Adam Jensen's much higher stats simply just helps him wittle down the Predator with homing bullets from his assault rifle and further reduce oncoming damage towards him with the titan aug. Considering the nature of these 2 hunter style approach to combat but still being capable of direct combat, I feel like Jensen has the more straightforward win here. Even if he can't use grenades or other projectiles here he still has mines he can leave around everywhere to potentially stun or disorient the Predator and then quickly dispatch him with a duraneg nanoblade. Icarus votes to Adam Jensen.

 

[koopa3144]

Adam Jensen's much higher stats simply just helps him wittle down the Predator with homing bullets from his assault rifle and further reduce oncoming damage towards him with the titan aug.

He's only 1.8x stronger then the Pred's advanced weaponry and armor which isn't that much of an advantage. The Predator is completely armored and should be able to power though the bullets and take out Adams assault rifle or any other weapons he tries to use with one of their ranged options like a Shuriken or a smart disk.

Considering the nature of these 2 hunter style approach to combat but still being capable of direct combat, I feel like Jensen has the more straightforward win here

Not really, all the Pred really has to do is close the distance (which shouldn't take more than a second or two due to their Subsonic travel speed) then outskill and overpower Adam with his higher LS.

Even if he can't use grenades or other projectiles here he still has mines he can leave around everywhere to potentially stun or disorient the Predator

Theres no prep time so when is Adam gonna set up mines? And whats stopping the Pred from just seeing them and avoiding them?

then quickly dispatch him with a duraneg nanoblade

He's gonna have a very hard time hitting the Pred with due to the very large skill CQC skill disadvantage and since he can be easily grappled due to the LS gap. Also, the Pred has the Plasma Scythe which is basically a bigger nanoblade which the Pred should have a much easier time landing a hit with due to its size and the Preds skill advantage.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Theres no prep time so when is Adam gonna set up mines? And whats stopping the Pred from just seeing them and avoiding them?

Tourney description didn't update, there is now like 10 mins prep time on every battle in quarter finals onwards.

 

[Shadowslash125]

The Brick Fortress Tournament (2025) - 9-B Likely 9-A

Having a set-in-stone location that can be used to the fighters' advantage depending on the character is very interesting, as well as the concept for the tournament itself. Already getting inspired already. Do you feel like any character is actually gonna get out skilled and be tossed into the...

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[koopa3144]

Dang, forgot about prep time getting added now.
The Pred should be able to avoid any mines since they would have maped that area with the Sat-com during prep and can see their locations. They can also see them with the Bio-masks 'PredTech' vison which singles out non-living things from the surroundings (I would link a clip of it in-game but I'm lazy). The Pred can use the prep time to lay their own mines which, unlike the Pred, Adam has no good way of finding before he sets one off.

 

[Not_Icarus]

Oh right we're considering movement speed as well lol. Since Adam is much faster here and goes even faster with his boosts, he should be able to just never be touched by the Predator on most occasions since he's hypersonic+. Combine that with his 2x strength advantage then things can decently go on his favor with enough strategy and tactics given his much superior travel speed and nice stronger physicals. Predator also has no answer to Adam Jensen just disorienting him with a peps shockwave blast from his own arm cannons. It knocks away even much larger augmented people than him and large metal boxes. So really Jensen can quickly realize that his opponent isn't someone to be underestimated and would immediately rely on his more innate skills and augmentations to deal with the Predator since the Predator will keep disarming him of his guns. Smart vision highlights all things for Jensen too such as food, weapons, mechs, humans and etc. So the mines won't be too much of a problem.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Oh right we're considering movement speed as well lol. Since Adam is much faster here and goes even faster with his boosts, he should be able to just never be touched by the Predator on most occasions since he's hypersonic+

If the Hypersonic speed isn't clarified to be any specific speed, it's just going to be equalized completely to predator's speed via speed equal rules since they'll be reduced by the multiplier in which the combat speed is reduced. Therefore Adam's travel speed would be the same as the predator's.

 

[Not_Icarus]

I thought that the wiki rules said that the only thing that are equalized in speed equalized fights are combat and reaction speeds to the slower opponent's speed with attack speed and movement speed being illegal to change.

 

[Shadowslash125]

The rules say this:
"The combat speed of that faster character is assumed to be equalized to the combat speed of the slower character. Every other speed the faster character has is reduced by the same multiplier. This includes the speed of any attacks, projectiles, reactions, perception, flight, etc."

 

[Not_Icarus]

Huh so we went back to the old method of equalizing everything. Fair enough. Though I still think that Jensen has better mobility here via his better acrobatics via jumping height and omnidirectional on command dashes. Even getting grappled by the Predator shouldn't be a game ender to him since he can just blast him away with a peps shockwave. His speed boosts should still help out a bit too to improve his chances of dodging.

 

[koopa3144]

Though I still think that Jensen has better mobility here via his better acrobatics via jumping height and omnidirectional on command dashes.

Preds can easily scale entire complexes in a single leap and can easily hop around tall trees so they should be as or even more mobile than him.

Even getting grappled by the Predator shouldn't be a game ender to him since he can just blast him away with a peps shockwave.

Predator also has no answer to Adam Jensen just disorienting him with a peps shockwave blast from his own arm cannons. It knocks away even much larger augmented people than him and large metal boxes. So really Jensen can quickly realize that his opponent isn't someone to be underestimated and would immediately rely on his more innate skills and augmentations to deal with the Predator since the Predator will keep disarming him of his guns.

Since peps is plasma based, the shockwave is just gonna get absorbed by the Preds Phoenix Armor. Even without it the Pred prob wouldn't be affected since they can go unaffected by large amounts radiation.

Btw I gotta go afk after typing this but I'll be back in one or two hours.

 

[Not_Icarus]

Peps isn't exactly something like a laser ball kind of energy wave. It's more like an electromagnetic radiation air burst shockwave actually so it would still actually blast the predator away from Jensen without issue since it's not a lethal weapon and more of a stun weapon that disables foes upon impact. The predator won't be knocked unconscious but they will be knocked back. Predator actually has better jumping here with that first clip but Jensen has better flexibility since he can dash mid-air which allows jensen to make the predator overshoot his jumps in the right circumstances. Also someone count the votes already since it's 1 vote for both parties right now.

 

[DemonicDude]

Let me know of the votes.

 

[Not_Icarus]

Adam Jensen: 1 (Not_Icarus), Predator: 1 (koopa3144)

 

[Shadowslash125]

Turns out predator is also from jungle juice

 

[koopa3144]

Peps isn't exactly something like a laser ball kind of energy wave. It's more like an electromagnetic radiation air burst shockwave actually so it would still actually blast the predator away from Jensen without issue since it's not a lethal weapon and more of a stun weapon that disables foes upon impact.

It's description states that the electromagnetic radiation burst comes from exploding of plasma which the Phoenix Armor would have already absorbed.

Predator actually has better jumping here with that first clip but Jensen has better flexibility since he can dash mid-air which allows to make the predator overshoot his jumps in the right circumstances.

Not really that much of an advance since the Pred can also control themself in the air when they jump and can just course correct to where Jensen is before landing.

 

[DemonicDude]

I don't know. If Jensen falls from great heights his Leg Augmentations and Icarus Landing System installed in his body prevents him from fall damage.
Icarus Dash should allow Jensen to do Speed dash and get some strikes in.
But all of this consumes energy and Jensen would need 10-12 seconds to recharge.

 

[Not_Icarus]

People like Jensen resist the effects of peps but they can still be knocked back. It's also deemed as a concussive force too despite its radiation origins so it's less so a passive force of energy or an energy blast and more of like a blunt wall flying at someone so the predator should still feel the force of it tbh. Jensen can also replenish his energy quickly with the biocells so it ain't too bad.

 

[koopa3144]

Icarus Dash should allow Jensen to do Speed dash and get some strikes in.
But all of this consumes energy and Jensen would need 10-12 seconds to recharge

The Predator’s Bio-mask should predict the attack and allow them to avoid it.

People like Jensen resist the effects of peps but they can still be knocked back. It's also deemed as a concussive force too despite its radiation origins so it's less so a passive force of energy or an energy blast and more of like a blunt wall flying at someone so the predator should still feel the force of it tbh.

Fair. Although, with how much higher the Preds LS is what’s stoping them from just taking whatever limb they grabed with them after getting hit by the shockwave?

Also, I’ma be afk again for a bit after typing this so I’ll respond to anything new in 30 mins or so.

 

[Not_Icarus]

It's the worst case scenario Jensen basically if the predator got a hold of him before he fires off a peps blast since he'll be less dextorous with his movement and combat. Essentially the fight breaks down to whoever manages get the jump on the other first since they both have 1 shot options like slicing down the other in one go. Even with the analytical prediction it's not truly a guaranteed win (the human there still got hit by a punch and a shockwave is much worse) since he still has to apply the knowledge of the future the predator perceives. Jensen to me has the superior combat mobility both on ground and on air due to him being more precise and faster with his burst movements. His speed boost can come in clutch too to save him from close calls and further enhance the speed of his dashes. So yeah I think the fight is possible enough for both to win even if the predator can shutdown a lot of jensen's tools.

 

[DemonicDude]

I think based off of versatility utilizing speed bursts can potentially win the fight and tranquilizer rifle would come in handy in paralyzing. Voting Jensen.

 

[koopa3144]

Even with the analytical prediction it's not truly a guaranteed win (the human there still got hit by a punch and a shockwave is much worse)

Royce is much less skilled and experienced then the average Pred and is using the Bio-mask for the first time. A Pred with hundrends if not thousands of years of experience using it should be much more capable of using the BIo-masks analytical prediction to it's fullest. It's also important to note that the BIo-masks analytical prediction is gonna be stacked on top of their already large skill and experience advantage over Adam which is gonna make it very hard for Adam to hit the Pred even with a speed boosts.

and tranquilizer rifle would come in handy in paralyzing

If the Predator didn't already just take out the tranquilizer rifle with one of its ranged options the shots from the gun would be taken out by the Killscreen Generator and even if they weren't the Predator is fully armored here so it would just bounce off.

 

[Not_Icarus]

The predator is still fighting a decently new and advance foe here so it evens out the chances enough even if he has similar attacks and gears to his other fellow predators. You can have as much as skill as you want but if you're not fast enough to apply it then it doesn't really matter that much. It's still useful and will constantly keep Jensen on guard so Jensen isn't defenseless here given that he's just simply the better runner here. Predator has been defeated by humans before too so they're not infalliable and have decent enough chances of losing. Given that Jensen is a super soldier that singlehandedly infiltrated government and black ops mercenary bases by himself before he certainly has the skills and knowledge here to keep himself alive even if he'll lose straight up martial arts fights. Jensen is a crafty fighter who uses the battlefield to his full advantage whether it be fair or unfair combat. He's not above just running away from a fight and then reengaging again for better positioning like setting traps everywhere or feinting the predator by dropping a box on him as a distraction. Jensen constantly fights in outnumbered and outgunned scenarios so it's not hard to see him at least come out on top on a nice amount of scenarios.

 

[koopa3144]

From whats been discussed so far I think the Pred should take this more often then not. Both fighters are even in a lot of ways but the Pred pulls out an advantage with their much higher skill and counters to Adams ranged options. Even if both have one-shot options the Preds is much easier to pull off with their skill large advantage in CQC and due to being able to use their one-shots at a range with things like the Blazer Armors Inferno Beams which burn hotter then Stars at their core and can instantly sweep large areas or Electroshock Bolas which instantly kill who ever it hits. While on the other hand Adam has to depend on his arm blades to dura neg which don't have much range and require him to get close to the Pred which leaves him vulnerable to getting outskilled and beat up in CQC or getting dura neged by the Plasma Scythe.

It's still useful and will constantly keep Jensen on guard so Jensen isn't defenseless here given that he's just simply the better runner here.

Not really, they have the same movement speed and the Pred has better leaps then Jensen so he can't really run.

Jensen is a crafty fighter who uses the battlefield to his full advantage whether it be fair or unfair combat. He's not above just running away from a fight and then reengaging again for better positioning like setting traps everywhere or feinting the predator by dropping a box on him as a distraction.

Iirc (since my computer isn't loading the location image) there's nowhere to really go and even if he tries to run and hide the Pred can see whatever he's doing with the Sat-com.

 

[Not_Icarus]

The blades can actually be shot like projectiles and even explode too. So he can shoot them when he's close enough to shoot them without issue of being vaporized away by his weapon removing stuff. The movement speeds are the same if we only talk about their base speeds and Jensen still has a boost and dash that he can stack together which makes him faster than the predator here which is a huge boon for him even if he won't be constantly blitzing him. All the extra speed possible here matters because both can 1 shot each other with their gear and 1 speed boost and dash at the same time with the right moment has a good chance of ending the fight then and there with Jensen slicing his head, limbs or vital organs clean off with a peps blast beforehand too to make as little risk as possible for him. The location is apparently also both open and enclosed in which fighters can choose to stay outside or mix it up with indoor warfare. Jensen also fought people with smart vision like him too so he's not completely defense against being seen too as both will try to outwit each other.

 

[koopa3144]

The blades can actually be shot like projectiles and even explode too. So he can shoot them when he's close enough to shoot them without issue of being vaporized away by his weapon removing stuff.

If there shot out there gonna be destroyed by the killscreen Generator before they hit the Predator.

All the extra speed possible here matters because both can 1 shot each other with their gear and 1 speed boost and dash at the same time with the right moment has a good chance of ending the fight then and there with Jensen slicing his head, limbs or vital organs clean off with a peps blast beforehand too to make as little risk as possible for him.

As I've noted before, The Preds Bio-mask can alert the Pred beforehand and allow them to avoid it. And even if he does hit Predators can survive and fight through extensive injuries such as organ and limb loss and since he's gonna be right up next to the Pred they can easily incinerate him at close range with things like the Blazer's Inferno Beam.

 

[Not_Icarus]

He still has to throw out the kill screen first, which is unlikely because Jensen can just instantly shoot his blades out of his body first as a surprise attack even during melee with his better speed and keeping making more because he has a internal micro-assembler that can keep making up new ammunition for him like his typhoon explosive system, peps and nanoblades (the latter 2 are now upgraded into his body as of mankind divided) for example are internal weapons for him so the predator can't really just remove those weapons away from him which allows adam to safely suicide bomb an area with typhoon, knock over enemies and objects with peps and do trick or sudden shots with his nanoblades when he feels like disengaging them from his body. Jensen has great endurance too even if he doesn't lose limbs as often and he has the better close range aoe here given both his lethal and non-lethal options have better range, deployment, knockback and as well as better tanking given his inherently better stats and further shielding with the titan aug if they clash in pure ap. Although the predators flamethrower here is above adam's heat resistance so he won't be tanking that but he'll likely be at least wary of it. The predator still has his sense of honor here which adam can exploit to his advantage even if the predator doesn't fully stick to it since the predator likely won't bust out the flamethrower immediately gives him more chances to ending the fight first. So yeah we really do have a decent gamble of opinion preferences here on who would win because either fighter here can reasonably get a win.

 

[koopa3144]

He still has to throw out the kill screen first, which is unlikely because Jensen can just instantly shoot his blades out of his body first as a surprise attack even during melee with his better speed

The Killscreen Generator is always on as long as the Pred has the Vanguard Armor so Jensen can't get around it.

The predator still has his sense of honor here which adam can exploit to his advantage even if the predator doesn't fully stick to it since the predator likely won't bust out the flamethrower immediately gives him more chances to ending the fight first.

As I stated in my first post, Adam is very heavily armed and this isn't a hunt so the Pred is gonna be willing to use his Advanced weaponry on him right off the bat. Only if Adam drops all his weapons and directly demand close-combat would the Pred be required by honor to take off their equipment to equalize the odds but Adam doesn't know this and has no real way of finding out.

 

[Not_Icarus]

Jensen's hopes then at putting the predator off balance in close range still stay with a barrage of typhoon explosives constantly firing off him and peps blasts since the generator has trouble against lots of projectiles at once and can't block shockwaves. The serious predator here nicely buffs the predator's chances of killing Jensen first more but not impossibly so since Jensen still has the speed advantage.

 

[DemonicDude]

Turns out predator is also from jungle juice

Not anymore. fixed the link.
Tho that'd be an interesting plot