Expanding the References for Common Feats page

[PedjaTarzan]

Unless something has changed (which would have happened in this thread) then any of those common feats would be valid still unless said otherwise

okay just asked because calc about destroying moon from earth is in comment rather than blog itself

 

[JPTheGamer]

is this usable or does it need approval?

Unless something has changed (which would have happened in this thread) then any of those common feats would be valid still unless said otherwise

I think we already applied the sun calculation to the page.

References for Common Feats

Throughout fiction and real life, there have been numerous feats demonstrating a certain character's or object's destructive power. This page's purpose is to consolidate calculations for those feats for better convenience in determining an object's or character's Attack Potency or Durability...

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[JPTheGamer]

I made a small blog. Just the work needed to pull a spine out; nothing major: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U..._Feat_Addition:_Work_from_Ripping_a_Spine_Out

We still need some evaluations for this one.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I think we already applied the sun calculation to the page.

References for Common Feats

Throughout fiction and real life, there have been numerous feats demonstrating a certain character's or object's destructive power. This page's purpose is to consolidate calculations for those feats for better convenience in determining an object's or character's Attack Potency or Durability...

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yes but what about the moon?

 

[JPTheGamer]

yes but what about the moon?

We'll probably either have to touch base with M3X on that so he can update it or create a new blog with that formula.

I can offer to do both or the latter.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

We'll probably either have to touch base with M3X on that so he can update it or create a new blog with that formula.

I can offer to do both or the latter.

You can do what you find easier
tho is this by launching attack to moon that yields 5-A trough KE or omnidirectional blast like shown in blog

 

[SeijiSetto]

You can do what you find easier
tho is this by launching attack to moon that yields 5-A trough KE or omnidirectional blast like shown in blog

latter
it's an omnidirectional blast that starts from earth, expands as far as the moon with enough energy to destroy the moon
exactly the same as the one with the sun except the values are swapped out for the relevant ones regarding the moon

 

[JPTheGamer]

You can do what you find easier
tho is this by launching attack to moon that yields 5-A trough KE or omnidirectional blast like shown in blog

latter
it's an omnidirectional blast that starts from earth, expands as far as the moon with enough energy to destroy the moon
exactly the same as the one with the sun except the values are swapped out for the relevant ones regarding the moon

Unfortunately, I can't get in touch with M3X due to his account being closed, so I put the calculation in a new blog here.

 

[Antvasima]

What do we currently need to do here?

Also, @M3X_2.0 is still around if you need to contact him.

 

[JPTheGamer]

Also, @M3X_2.0 is still around if you need to contact him.

Oh, I'm sorry; I didn't realize M3X was his previous account. Thank you, Ant.

What do we currently need to do here?

Well, I already put the formula for the Earth that @KLOL506 put out in a blog, but if needed, I could always ask @M3X_2.0 to put it into his original calculation he made.

 

[Antvasima]

Oh, I'm sorry; I didn't realize M3X was his previous account. Thank you, Ant.

No problem.

Well, I already put the formula for the Earth that @KLOL506 put out in a blog, but if needed, I could always ask @M3X_2.0 to put it into his original calculation he made.

It is likely fine with your own blog, but at least two calc group members need to accept it in order to add the calculations in it as a standard feat.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

Shouldn't we provide clarification on bone breaking? Like how much is it common sense that every bone isn't going to have the durability of a femur, that's not mentioning we can break the bones of each other's torsos and skulls in street fights and yet we'd still be 10-B in energy output?

Bones are living tissue that adapt depending on how much force is generally put on them. And I can easily say a small fish's bones aren't equal to that of a human femur.

Does anyone want to see my proposals for this issue? It's pretty glaring considering a lot of fiction is off-scaled from regular humans.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Shouldn't we provide clarification on bone breaking? Like how much is it common sense that every bone isn't going to have the durability of a femur, that's not mentioning we can break the bones of each other's torsos and skulls in street fights and yet we'd still be 10-B in energy output?

Bones are living tissue that adapt depending on how much force is generally put on them. And I can easily say a small fish's bones aren't equal to that of a human femur.

Does anyone want to see my proposals for this issue? It's pretty glaring considering a lot of fiction is off-scaled from regular humans.

I would, and also, not sure if these might contribute? (If they can be compared to breaking bone in any way that is)

Unpopular Opinions and (Friendly) Rant thread

Honestly don't think it's too bad. It's a tad bit too human like for me and has zero intimidation (Shrek looking like a bad person but having morals was a message in the story) but overall it's alright. I also think it's possible for the plot to justify the change in appearance. But take all of...

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[H3110l12345I20]

I would, and also, not sure if these might contribute? (If they can be compared to breaking bone in any way that is)

Unpopular Opinions and (Friendly) Rant thread

Honestly don't think it's too bad. It's a tad bit too human like for me and has zero intimidation (Shrek looking like a bad person but having morals was a message in the story) but overall it's alright. I also think it's possible for the plot to justify the change in appearance. But take all of...

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If you have no reason to why this is related, then don't say it is related.

Actually, hysterical strength being 9-B had been debunked at least twice on this forum. One where this was used to try to make composite human 9-B and the other under my research.

Much of the accounts are emotionally charged and just redirects the weight of the vehicles with difficulty rather than causal tipping. We also may not know if the Polar Bear a woman fought was at full strength, and even if the bear was at full strength, the feat at first glance didn't wrestle a bear that had class 1 weight. This is also assuming these cases are true, as it would be unethical to try to replicae said feats in a lab. While scientists may disagree on the existence of hysterical strength, it's generally accepted that the body does increase it, but not to these exaggerated levels.

You do have accounts of men fighting wolves and leopards, 10-A hysterical strength for men is more consistent.

Enough rambling and clogging stuff for now, if you wanna chat more on this hysterical strength stuff, do it on the discussion threads

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

Shouldn't we provide clarification on bone breaking? Like how much is it common sense that every bone isn't going to have the durability of a femur, that's not mentioning we can break the bones of each other's torsos and skulls in street fights and yet we'd still be 10-B in energy output?

Bones are living tissue that adapt depending on how much force is generally put on them. And I can easily say a small fish's bones aren't equal to that of a human femur.

Does anyone want to see my proposals for this issue? It's pretty glaring considering a lot of fiction is off-scaled from regular humans.

Wolff's law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Davis's law - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Mechanostat - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Just backing up the point about tissues in general adapting to stress and the conditions they are placed in in general

 

[Antvasima]

Shouldn't we provide clarification on bone breaking? Like how much is it common sense that every bone isn't going to have the durability of a femur, that's not mentioning we can break the bones of each other's torsos and skulls in street fights and yet we'd still be 10-B in energy output?

Bones are living tissue that adapt depending on how much force is generally put on them. And I can easily say a small fish's bones aren't equal to that of a human femur.

Does anyone want to see my proposals for this issue? It's pretty glaring considering a lot of fiction is off-scaled from regular humans.

I think that this seems reasonable.

 

[H3110l12345I20]

I think that this seems reasonable.

When it comes to bones, it depends on the physical build, in verse context, and what the broken bones are adapted to withstand initially.

Generally, without any other calculations, a standard forceful blow to the head/torso/arms is generally around 10-B to 10-A energy depending on the weight+gender+physical build of the person. This is considering the fact that the energy required to fracture a skull has been studied and calculated to be in range of this and it's far easier to punch the middle/upper areas of the body than the bottom.

It should be noted that some bones are far easier to break than others due to their adaptive quality, shape and size. If the bone didn't make itself strong and/or sizable enough, it wouldn't count anywhere 10-B and above. That's not mentioning fish bones, an old person's bones, and the smallest/weakest bones can't withstand anywhere 10-B and above.

As for other severe bone-breaking feats, I'm not saying all bone breaking is that unimpressive. If the bone breaking is incredibly severe (example: twisting an arm bone to where it massively deforms an arm, severely crushing a part of the skull, severely twisting a backbone in an unnatural way), it would be absolutely be comparable to the low-end 375 J of breaking a human femur. It's just that when dealing with human bones and the like in fiction, we have to take into account bone strength and bone damage severity.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Hello, dug up this calc here https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Migue79/Atomizing_the_Moon
Would this be usable enough to be added in common feats page?

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Hello, dug up this calc here https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Migue79/Atomizing_the_Moon
Would this be usable enough to be added in common feats page?

bump

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Hello, dug up this calc here https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Migue79/Atomizing_the_Moon
Would this be usable enough to be added in common feats page?

bump

 

[JPTheGamer]

bump

Hmm, can we get some calc members to evaluate this, please? Who wants to ping some staff?

 

[Therefir]

I'm not sure if atomizing the Moon is a “common” feat, plus it's funny how it barely gives results above baseline Moon level.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I'm not sure if atomizing the Moon is a “common” feat, plus it's funny how it barely gives results above baseline Moon level.

the op was on vodka so even he is unsure if result is fine

 

[H3110l12345I20]

When it comes to bones, it depends on the physical build, in verse context, and what the broken bones are adapted to withstand initially.

Generally, without any other calculations, a standard forceful blow to the head/torso/arms is generally around 10-B to 10-A energy depending on the weight+gender+physical build of the person. This is considering the fact that the energy required to fracture a skull has been studied and calculated to be in range of this and it's far easier to punch the middle/upper areas of the body than the bottom.

It should be noted that some bones are far easier to break than others due to their adaptive quality, shape and size. If the bone didn't make itself strong and/or sizable enough, it wouldn't count anywhere 10-B and above. That's not mentioning fish bones, an old person's bones, and the smallest/weakest bones can't withstand anywhere 10-B and above.

As for other severe bone-breaking feats, I'm not saying all bone breaking is that unimpressive. If the bone breaking is incredibly severe (example: twisting an arm bone to where it massively deforms an arm, severely crushing a part of the skull, severely twisting a backbone in an unnatural way), it would be absolutely be comparable to the low-end 375 J of breaking a human femur. It's just that when dealing with human bones and the like in fiction, we have to take into account bone strength and bone damage severity.

Bump

 

[Antvasima]

When it comes to bones, it depends on the physical build, in verse context, and what the broken bones are adapted to withstand initially.

Generally, without any other calculations, a standard forceful blow to the head/torso/arms is generally around 10-B to 10-A energy depending on the weight+gender+physical build of the person. This is considering the fact that the energy required to fracture a skull has been studied and calculated to be in range of this and it's far easier to punch the middle/upper areas of the body than the bottom.

It should be noted that some bones are far easier to break than others due to their adaptive quality, shape and size. If the bone didn't make itself strong and/or sizable enough, it wouldn't count anywhere 10-B and above. That's not mentioning fish bones, an old person's bones, and the smallest/weakest bones can't withstand anywhere 10-B and above.

As for other severe bone-breaking feats, I'm not saying all bone breaking is that unimpressive. If the bone breaking is incredibly severe (example: twisting an arm bone to where it massively deforms an arm, severely crushing a part of the skull, severely twisting a backbone in an unnatural way), it would be absolutely be comparable to the low-end 375 J of breaking a human femur. It's just that when dealing with human bones and the like in fiction, we have to take into account bone strength and bone damage severity.

So how should we adjust our references for common feats page, and do we need help from calc group members here?

 

[H3110l12345I20]

So how should we adjust our references for common feats page, and do we need help from calc group members here?

TBH, my reply strikes the heart of the issue. It just needs more concise and grammatically correct wording.

Unless if anyone else wants to step in and rewrite the post, I could always do it myself in a couple of weeks/days.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That seems good to me then, although you obviously need to link to reliable scientific sources in our RFCF page for the new energy values that you will list there.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

Hello, dug up this calc here https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Migue79/Atomizing_the_Moon
Would this be usable enough to be added in common feats page?

bump

 

[Antvasima]

Hello, dug up this calc here https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Migue79/Atomizing_the_Moon
Would this be usable enough to be added in common feats page?

I think so, yes, but at least two other calc group members need to evaluate and accept that calculation blog first.

 

[PedjaTarzan]

I think so, yes, but at least two other calc group members need to evaluate and accept that calculation blog first.

if possible can you tag some cgm members to check it out?

 

[Antvasima]

They will likely ignore me, so it is better if you ask in the thread below instead.

Calculation Evaluations (New forum)

This thread is intended for users to link to new blog post calculations, to relay them to the community, and have them evaluated by the calculation group, without contacting the members individually. To evaluate important off-site calculations, preferably copy them to blog posts in this wiki...

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[Mr. Bambu]

how many times in fiction have we atomized the moon, really

 

[PedjaTarzan]

how many times in fiction have we atomized the moon, really

to be honest, i dont know but given there is already that calc for it i assumed he made it because there were already the cases of these feats happening, if we need to find specific amount of these feats happening then we can try to find, and if there isnt enough then it can lay in the limbo i guess, and calculate that specific feat for the verse instead.

 

[VanderSalva]

There's a math mistake in https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#Creating_a_Snowstorm

The last line says:
Q = (2794760824633.48)*1000*20.5 = 5.86*10^20 Joules, 13.69 Megatons of TNT (7-B)

It should read:
(2794760824633.48)*1000*20.5 = 5.15 * 10^16 joules.

Anyway, I plan to submit a new creating snowstorm and making it snow calculation, with formulas and pre-calculated standard feats for the wiki page.

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

This:

Common Feat: Drawing & Slashing A Sword Faster Than The Human Eye Can See

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[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

This:

Common Feat: Drawing & Slashing A Sword Faster Than The Human Eye Can See

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I sorta want to ask how fast it could be done with a Zweihander/Doppelhänder/Beidhänder/Bihänder/Bidenhänder, Zhanmadao and/or Changdao, and Odachi/Nodachi and/or Nagamaki (and/or other greatswords/longswords), but that might be too much (also polearms generally outdo even greatswords (look at the Sarissa and Langxian and Yari) in terms of length which counters the advantage of concealment and fast deployment by virtue of size and range, so eh).

 

[LegendariumOfLies]

I sorta want to ask how fast it could be done with a Zweihander/Doppelhänder/Beidhänder/Bihänder/Bidenhänder, Zhanmadao and/or Changdao, and Odachi/Nodachi and/or Nagamaki (and/or other greatswords/longswords), but that might be too much (also polearms generally outdo even greatswords (look at the Sarissa and Langxian and Yari) in terms of length which counters the advantage of concealment and fast deployment by virtue of size and range, so eh).

I'll focus the discussion here since the other thread is dead. It should be pretty easy is you get the blade length of the sword.

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

I sorta want to ask how fast it could be done with a Zweihander/Doppelhänder/Beidhänder/Bihänder/Bidenhänder, Zhanmadao and/or Changdao, and Odachi/Nodachi and/or Nagamaki (and/or other greatswords/longswords), but that might be too much (also polearms generally outdo even greatswords (look at the Sarissa and Langxian and Yari) in terms of length which counters the advantage of concealment and fast deployment by virtue of size and range, so eh).

I'll focus the discussion here since the other thread is dead. It should be pretty easy is you get the blade length of the sword.

Here you go:

Zweihänder - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Zhanmadao - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Changdao - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ōdachi - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Nagamaki - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There's a few more you could consider as well:

Miaodao - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Wodao - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Jian - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

More here too (listing all different categories and types of swords as well as listing specific individual swords):

Lists of swords - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Types of swords - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Classification of swords - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Mahek_The_Assassin_Silent_Killer]

^Probably can use all three types of lengths honestly just to see how much difference the sword size makes in the speed: maximum length, minimum length and average length

 

[Antvasima]

There's a math mistake in https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/References_for_Common_Feats#Creating_a_Snowstorm

The last line says:
Q = (2794760824633.48)*1000*20.5 = 5.86*10^20 Joules, 13.69 Megatons of TNT (7-B)

It should read:
(2794760824633.48)*1000*20.5 = 5.15 * 10^16 joules.

Anyway, I plan to submit a new creating snowstorm and making it snow calculation, with formulas and pre-calculated standard feats for the wiki page.

@DontTalkDT @Mr. Bambu @Therefir @Damage3245 @Agnaa

Are any of you willing to evaluate, and, if necessary, correct this, please?