You missed my point. I'm talking about Saitama holding back a lot, and yet he's not given a Varies rating.
Yeah, they hold back in a lot of fights, like Saitama and other characters in fiction, that doesn't mean we give them a Varies rating for that, because it's pointless and arbitrary.
In this case explain how you differentiate when Thor or Hulk is 5-B or 3-C or Low 1-C during a fight.
Unlike Thor or other Herald characters, Saitama is a different case. Thor can go as far as losing but Saitama would eventually elevate himself to win all the time.
A newly transformed Hulk is 5-B. Hulk can maintain that level when he is fighting weak opponents. Thor holds back against mortals unless special cases like Hulk.
Yeah, i am working on that
Thor does this for moral reasons, not because his physical strength varies canonically. That's the only difference he has with Saitama.
It doesn't explain to me how you can tell the difference between a 3-C Thor or a Low 1-C Thor in a fight.
The problem is that there are multiple ratings for Thor when he is not at his full/divine power (1-A). How do you tell the difference between a Thor who is 3-C or Low 1-C? And why would a Thor who is not at full power just be 3-C or Low 1-C? If Thor holds back a lot, why just give him 3-C and Low 1-C and not Planet level or Large Building level rating? It just seems arbitrary and complicated for nothing
Don't forget he got the Thor sleep as well
It is complicated not arbitrary, thats why we are always careful when scaling characters.
If it isn't, I think you would have easily answered my questions. In addition to being arbitrary, it's pointless and inaccurate because Thor's strength doesn't vary canonically, he just holds back for moral reasons. It further complicates the scaling of comics which is already complicated.
This is a very poor example because, unlike Thor, Saitama does not have a vast amount of different writers with completely different views of the character they are writing for.
This is not a good argument at all.
Relying on statements and estimations alone isn't enough, plus matt was literally defeated by time travel, if his so called powers disregard the laws of times why he didn't simply survive?.
.How come one of the most iconic X-Men villains don't have profiles ?
Just haven't been made yet I supposeHow come one of the most iconic X-Men villains don't have profiles ?
Might be able to scale thing to SS a bit. And I think there’s a feat of thing tanking blasters planet busting beams or whatever
Yes, the Thing has withstood planet-destroying energy beams from both Galactus and on some other occasion if I remember correctly.
We don't have a lot of supporting feats for other tiers too, not just 5-B. The most well made part we got "covered" is tier 1 stuff while we are lacking with street level to low heralds.
Should Count Nefaria get higher Herald scaling or is he already at his peak
I think so, or at least a "possibly" for it. He's pretty consistently shown to be a teambuster and is shown to be well above the likes of Thor and Hulk, and the phrasing on a lot of his feats/statements indicates to me that he's not just above them when they are holding back.
That's for future me to find out soon, maybe next week or the one after. But with little I already know of him, it makes sense what Obber said.
Weren't he and Thor comparable during their original fight? I extremely strongly doubt that he could survive Thor's strongest attacks. Nefaria definitely needs a tiering upgrade in our page for him though.
Well, I think that he has been effortlessly beaten by Hulk, Sentry, Thor, and so onwards, and is officially (according to the handbooks) supposed to be weaker than the Thing and Wonder Man.
Ares generally has really clear scaling to Hercules and has fought a LOT of heralds
100% the Symbiotes don't look like they've been properly taken care of since pre-KIB.
A few people, myself included, once attempted to make a profile, but the main obstacle has been the difficulty of properly distinguish between various models of Sentinels, since it is often not explicitated.How come one of the most iconic X-Men villains don't have profiles ?
I honestly don't believe we should scale the Thing to SS, he for sure isn't galaxy level, let alone low 1-C. Maybe earlier depictions, perhaps, but that may fall into writing inconsistencies or still unestablished (not that they now are tbh) power levels.
debatable, pretty sure Ben gets stronger as he ages plus there was that weird spike amp he got
At least making a Nimrod profile should be easy enough given there's like only like Two of them to my knowledge that are the "main ones"
It happens in Incredible Hulk vol 2 #108, during the WWH
I was reading all the old comics after the first Secret Wars, I almost arrived at the second one but the site where I was reading them exploded, now I have to get Marvel Unlimited to continue
Are we still talking about Modok? Because I didn't notice him in that issue.
Nono, I was talking about Hulk and Amadeus Cho
There are many characters scaling here, many of which are scaling directly or indirectly to spider man so if they don't properly discuss who scales and who doesn't this is just another mess that no one will be able to fix.Btw this thread here says that this won't affect other street levels, but that's untrue, lmao. Scaling will be affected and a few characters that are merely bullet timers will be upgraded.
Also Spidey holding back in SPEED? That's funny. (I won't comment there because admins already approved so meh)
