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Ben 10: Ability additions and readditions?

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This thread will focus on some additional abilities for minor and major characters of the Ben 10 franchise.

Starting with the re-addision of the following abilities that were removed here:

Aura and Light Manipulation:
Aura was removed due to it being argued to not serving a purpose and not fitting into a specific type of Aura. This is incorrect as nowhere does it state that Aura needs to have a usage, it's simply "having energy engulf the user" and the types that were revered too was just the "Possible Uses". Alien X does qualify for one of these uses. The Explosive category includes Elemental Aura such as simple light, as we see here.

The reason why Light Manipulation was removed wasn't explained but Alien X and other Celestialsapiens generate light
here, here, here, and here.

Life and Limited Soul Manipulation:
These were dismissed as simply being creation feats. Creation only applies to matter and physical objects. Souls and life energy are inherently non-physical.

Energy Manipulation and Absorption:
Energy Manipulation was also dismissed as being part of Alien X creation. But as we see in the scene itself Alien X manipulate/absorb the the Annhilarrgh's purple energy happened prior to him recreating the Universe. We also see Starbeard manipulate white energy.

Now for some new abilities.

Ascalon:
• Sealing
(Sir George sealed the Dagon away after he removed the Dagon's heart.)
This is for Sir George as he use Magic to make seal. So I disagree with this
Upgrade:
• Resistance to Transmutation
(Comparable to Ship, who could resist Dagon's transmutation.
This is Mind Manipulation (2 Layers), Transmutation, Corruption (Type 1 [1 Layer] & 2)
• Resistance to Transmutation (It's armor should be superior to that of standard Forever Knight armor, which could resist Dagon transforming all humans on Earth into Esotrica.)
Note; Some of these abilities are being discussed here.
He has Resistance to Transmutation
 

actually this is more like.

Temporal Restoration:involves the ability to manipulate time or revert objects to a previous state. Users can rewind the effects of damage, effectively restoring objects to their undamaged condition. Temporal restoration can be used to reverse the flow of time on localized areas or specific objects, reverting them to a pristine state.
 
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actually this is more like.
I thought so too at first, but it came to my attention that Gwen, Kevin, and the Incursions weren't restored to their original places prior to the dam's destruction that they all remember the events of the dam bursting and Gwen even coughed up some water afterwards. So time wasn't reversed in this instance.
 
I thought so too at first, but it came to my attention that Gwen, Kevin, and the Incursions weren't restored to their original places prior to the dam's destruction that they all remember the events of the dam bursting and Gwen even coughed up some water afterwards. So time wasn't reversed in this instance.
I think it can be resistance to time manipulation for Gwen and Kevin?
 
Yh? This is Age Manipulation. So?
Age Manipulation via Time Manipulation. And Kevin was also affected by Gwen changing the past. Not exactly Time Manipulation but still shown that time affects him.

Still think think physical restoration is the safest option.
 
Age Manipulation via Time Manipulation. And Kevin was also affected by Gwen changing the past. Not exactly Time Manipulation but still shown that time affects him.

Still think think physical restoration is the safest option.
No Age Manipulation isn't via Time Manipulation, it's jast make his age come back without the need to manipulate time. She didn't do this, it just created a new timeline. No, this is RW.
 
I thought so too at first, but it came to my attention that Gwen, Kevin, and the Incursions weren't restored to their original places prior to the dam's destruction that they all remember the events of the dam bursting and Gwen even coughed up some water afterwards. So time wasn't reversed in this instance.
This is actually wrong since your argument assumes that the only form of temporal manipulation is a complete reversal of time, but this is not necessarily true. What Alien X did was selective temporal restoration, that is, he reverted the dam and the surrounding landscape to their original state without affecting people or their memories.

If Alien X had really 'gone back in time', everyone there would have returned to their previous positions, they would not remember what happened and Gwen would not even be wet. However, the water was still present, and the characters kept their memories, which indicates that he only restored the physical damage of the destruction, without altering the flow of time for living beings. In fact, the power itself says that temporal restoration can be used to reverse the flow of time in localized areas or specific objects, reverting them to an original state.
Temporal Restoration:involves the ability to manipulate time or revert objects to a previous state. Users can rewind the effects of damage, effectively restoring objects to their undamaged condition. Temporal restoration can be used to reverse the flow of time on localized areas or specific objects, reverting them to a pristine state.
 
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This is actually wrong since your argument assumes that the only form of temporal manipulation is a complete reversal of time, but this is not necessarily true. What Alien X did was selective temporal restoration, that is, he reverted the dam and the surrounding landscape to their original state without affecting people or their memories.

If Alien X had really 'gone back in time', everyone there would have returned to their previous positions, they would not remember what happened and Gwen would not even be wet. However, the water was still present, and the characters kept their memories, which indicates that he only restored the physical damage of the destruction, without altering the flow of time for living beings. In fact, the power itself says that temporal restoration can be used to reverse the flow of time in localized areas or specific objects, reverting them to an original state.
Ok, so X reversed the time flow of the dam and water rather than the entire area. Effectively not using his abilities on Gwen, Kevin and the Incursions. This works.
 
• Resistance to Biology and Power Absorption [2 layers] (Kevin couldn't absorb Alien X's DNA through the Omnitrix despite gainging the biology and powers of Ben's entire active playlist and Alien X being an active transformation. Kevin could absorb Gwen's mana despite Gwen being able to resist Michael's attept.)
Note: 2 Layers come from here.
Mana Manipulation:
• Restoration(Physical, Immaterial [Metaphysical] & Energy)

(Verdona restored a broken glass after it was shattered, the Dagon restored Spellbinder's soul and Gwen restored Kevin's energy after it was drained by Darkstar.
This is better:
Verdona's proof is not good, because Anodite is masters of mana, so they superior to any user of mana
 
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Note: 2 Layers come from here.
So, Kevin's Absorption should have 2 layers due to absorbing Gwen's mana and X's resistance should be have 3 layers.

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Yeah the scenes in this is wrong. You use a scene used in Ultimate Alien, where Gwen resisted Micheal's attept to absorb her Mana to justify her having resistance and then use the same scene in for a 2nd layer. So, I'll stick with 2 layers of resistance for X and 2 layer of Absorption for Ultimate Kevin 11.

Verdona's proof is not good, because Anodite is masters of mana, so they superior to any user of mana
Not sure why that is a good reason to dismiss Restoration. Also, Charmcaster fixing Michael's face is healing, not restoration. Micheal even says it's healing. Restoration(Physical) usually applies to physical objects, not people as it would be considered healing. I will change the description tho.
 
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So, Kevin's Absorption should have 2 layers due to absorbing Gwen's mana and X's resistance should be have 3 layers.
No, Gwen resistance to Absorption (1 Layer), Kevin would have 2 Layers and X has 2 Layers resist
Not sure why that is a good reason to dismiss Restoration.
Mana users can't be comparable to Anodite in abilities
Also, Charmcaster fixing Michael's face is healing, not restoration. Micheal even says it's healing. Restoration(Physical) usually applies to physical objects, not people as it would be considered healing.
That's why I set it as Healing (High-Low).
Restoration(Physical) usually applies to physical objects, not people as it would be considered healing. I will change the description tho.
"Restore the body" is also considered to be Restoration (Physical).
 
No, Gwen resistance to Absorption (1 Layer), Kevin would have 2 Layers and X has 2 Layers resist
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Mana users can't be comparable to Anodite in abilities
Anodites are mana users. Besides powerful Mana users have shown to be superior to Anodite's like Charmcaster and Dagon.
That's why I set it as Healing (High-Low).
I'll add the healing part to the restoration but I'm keeping in Verdona restoring the glass as additional evidence.
"Restore the body" is also considered to be Restoration (Physical).
Ok then. Tho, that kinda exactly like healing. Not sure what the difference is supposed to be.
 
More stronger≠Has same abilities, Anodite is master of abilities/Mana powers, Anodite are born with the ability to use Mana unlike Mana users who need training to manipulate mana like Charmcaster
Gwen and fellow Anodites also need training to use Mana properly. Verdona wanted to teach Gwen how to use Mana remember. I did put them separately as to avoid confusion.
 
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Note: 2 Layers come from here.
Yeah the scenes in this is wrong. You use a scene used in Ultimate Alien, where Gwen resisted Micheal's attept to absorb her Mana to justify her having resistance and then use the same scene in for a 2nd layer. So, I'll stick with 2 layers of resistance for X and 2 layer of Absorption for Ultimate Kevin 11.
To establish Alien Force's base resistance you used a scene from Ultimate Alien and then used it again to establish Ultimate Alien's 2nd layer. Instead use this scene of Alien Force Gwen resisting Micheal's absorbsion.
Lucubra has 1 Layer Mind Manipulation, so Kevin has Resistance to Mindhax (1 Layer)
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Aura and Light Manipulation
Fine

Life and Limited Soul Manipulation:
These were dismissed as simply being creation feats. Creation only applies to matter and physical objects. Souls and life energy are inherently non-physical.

Disagree. Creation is the ability to create something from nothing, without manipulating existing things. Creating energy and souls is no different. You need to prove manipulation of Life and Soul occurred.

Aura (Engulfed Ben in an aura of green fire.)
Fine

Ben Tennyson:
• Social Influence (Leadership, Fear Inducement, Social Position and Charisma)

(Lead a large group of his friends against the Highbreed's DNAlien army. Threatened Driffskull to get him to surrender, instilled fear into Alan and scared Pakmar. Is considered famous to the point where others use his popularity for charity, is repeatedly shown on news channels and swarmed by fans and reporters, and has used this fame to win a court case and get free Smoothies. Was able to charm is way out of getting shot.)

Fine but replace Fear inducement with intimidation.

Water Hazard
• Invulnerability

(Stated to be invulnerable by the Ben 10 Ultimate Alien Guide Book. Aggregor stated that thanks to Bivalvin's armor that he is now invulnerable, which should make it superior Pandor's nigh-indestructible armor, which is unphased by conventional weapons and can only be pierced by Taydenite, an indestructible mineral that can cut through indestructible pressure forged Infinitum.)

"Invulnerability is the power to be immune to conventional harm."

"This is distinct from simply particularly high durability, which may make a character seem invulnerable to weaker opponents. Only characters whose invulnerability is clearly more than simply being exceptionally durable for the verse's setting qualify."

Unless it clear that he is invulnerable to all "physical damage" or something, I wouldn't count it. Otherwise, Bivalvin would be invulnerable to physical attacks.

Upgrade:
• Resistance to Mind Manipulation (2 Layers), Transmutation, Corruption (Type 1 [1 Layer] & 2)

(Comparable to Ship, who could resist Dagon's transmutation.)
Maybe? They are technically living metal, and metal is a weakness to some of Dagon's hax.
• Enhanced Senses
(Comparable to Ship, who could sense Dagon's transmutation wave from far away.)
Fine.
• Limited Duplication
(Comparable to Ba-Zel, who expelled the symbiote known as Ship from his body.)
Fine.
Professor Paradox:
• BFR
(Could send others to the past and pull them into a placeless dimension and leave them there.)
Fine

Kevin Levin:
Ultimate Kevin 11
• Absorption (2 layers)

(Could absorb Gwen's mana despite Gwen being able to resist Michael's absorption.)
Fine
• Mana Manipulation
(Absorbed and manipulated Gwen's Mana.)
Fine

Base UAF/OV Kevin
• Memory Manipulation and Restoration [Metaphysical Restoration]

(Restored Arjit's memories and wanted to restore Alan's memories similiarly to how Servantis unintentionally restored Kevin's memories after Servantis had replaced them with false memories.)
Is it elaborated as to how he is doing this? Biological? Is this like sleeper agent programming being activated?
Not really metaphysical.
• Restoration(Physical)
(Restored Pandor's armor as if it was never even damaged.)
Via his matter manip, but fine.
• Invulnerability
(Can cover himself with Taydenite, an indestructible mineral that can cut through indestructible pressure forged Infinitum.)
Not really. They aren't demonstrably immune to conventional harm. Example: even infinite blunt physical force still wouldn't cause damage
• Resistance to Madness Manipulation(Type 1)
(Absorbing the power of living beings causes insanity within Osmosians, despite going insane himself as a result in the past, Kevin would later learn to overcome this insanity.)
Isn't it mentioned that the "little brain zap" from Servantis helped him stay sane?

• Resistance to Mind Manipulation(1 layer) and Telepathy
(Kevin could lock Servantis out of the minds of the Amalgam kids and free them from his control.

Wrong scan. Wasn't this done by destroying the Neuro-Matrix first then "un-programming" the kids?

States that Servantis's brain blasts won't work on him and that Servantis can't read Kevin's thoughts.

Fine.

Could resist the Lucubra's attempt to takes over his mind despite it being able to control Gwen)

It's not related to having a metal shell around him?

Standard Equipment:
Kevin's car & Rust Bucket 3
• Explosion Manipulation

(Has a missle launcher that can create massive explosions.)
Fine
• Transformation
(Can transform into an more weaponized version of itself.)
Fine
• Invisibility
(The car has a cloaking field.)
Fine
• Flight
(The Rust Bucket 3 can fly at super sonic speed in an atmosphere an reach faster than light speed in space.)
Fine
• Resistance to Fire Manipulation, Heat Manipulation, Energy Projection, Acid Manipulation, Ice Manipulation, Magma Manipulation, Explosion Manipulation, Vibration Manipulation, Electricity Manipulation, Water Manipulation and Projectile Manipulation.
(Modified his car to be indestructible and made it go through a series of tests.)
Fine

Mana Manipulation:
• Healing(High-Low) and Restoration(Physical, Immaterial [Metaphysical] & Energy)

(Anodites can restore physical objects. Mana users and restore the souls, life energy and physical bodies of others.)

Fine

Alien X:
• Beyond Dimensional Existence(Type 1)
(Stated to exist outside of space and time and that this state of being grants them immunity against space time destruction. Alien X was immune to the Annhilarrgh's space-time erasure. Celestialsapiens are born in The Forge of Creation, a realm out of sync with all of time and is the origin of the Universe including the Space Beyond)

I would avoid using the twitter statement.

The "origin" link is broken.

• Resistance to Biology and Power Absorption [2 layers] (Kevin couldn't absorb Alien X's DNA through the Omnitrix despite gainging the biology and powers of Ben's entire active playlist and Alien X being an active transformation. Kevin could absorb Gwen's mana despite Gwen being able to resist Michael's attept.)

Iffy. At the time of Kevin's attempt, the override keys weren't inserted again.

• Restoration(Temporal)
(Restored the dam after it was destroyed by reversing time.)

Fine.

• Energy Manipulation and Absorption
(Absorbed the Annhilarrgh's purple energy before recreating the Universe. Comparable to Starbeard, who could generate energy from his hands.)

I suppose.
 
Kevin Levin:
Ultimate Kevin 11
• Absorption (2 layers)

(Could absorb Gwen's mana despite Gwen being able to resist Michael's absorption.)
Fine
Regarding this, something I would recommend looking into is that the blog, shows the Baseline of resistance, being with a Mana shield, while 1st layer is without one.

Doesn't that kinda debunk the entire layer thing? It should at least get rid of the layers.

(Note this was the first thing I clicked on, so that says a lot)

Edit - from my own interpretation of what was presented, it seems like the barrier can prevent, absorption, but the user themself can't, so that gets rid of the first layers. The last one just looks like she just breaks out of the absorption, not really resisting it...
 
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Regarding this, something I would recommend looking into is that the blog, shows the Baseline of resistance, being with a Mana shield, while 1st layer is without one.
No, her shield made of her mana itself so this is still resistance (without need shield as it's via her/power mana)
Doesn't that kinda debunk the entire layer thing? It should at least get rid of the layers.
Why?
Edit - from my own interpretation of what was presented, it seems like the barrier can prevent, absorption, but the user themself can't, so that gets rid of the first layers.
Prove. The shield itself made of user's mana, so is still resist
The last one just looks like she just breaks out of the absorption, not really resisting it...
No, she was able to push his blast without it being affected by his absorption. Also her mana itself was unaffected by Darkstar's absorption.
 
No, her shield made of her mana itself so this is still resistance (without need shield as it's via her/power mana)

Why?

Prove. The shield itself made of user's mana, so is still resist

No, she was able to push his blast without it being affected by his absorption. Also her mana itself was unaffected by Darkstar's absorption.
Proves exactly what I said, her mana shield can block it from absorption, but her own body can't.
 
Alien X:
• Beyond Dimensional Existence(Type 1)
(Stated to exist outside of space and time and that this state of being grants them immunity against space time destruction. Alien X was immune to the Annhilarrgh's space-time erasure. Celestialsapiens are born in The Forge of Creation, a realm out of sync with all of time and is the origin of the Universe including the Space Beyond)

I would avoid using the twitter statement.
Can we instead use the scene where the space beyond appears merely as a projection to prove that the debate void of CSPs exist outside of it? Since the space beyond is where the highest order time axis in Ben 10 exists.
The "origin" link is broken.
Here
(In the "Map of infinity" paragraph)
 
Ben Tennyson:
• Social Influence (Leadership, Fear Inducement, Social Position and Charisma)

(Lead a large group of his friends against the Highbreed's DNAlien army. Threatened Driffskull to get him to surrender, instilled fear into Alan and scared Pakmar. Is considered famous to the point where others use his popularity for charity, is repeatedly shown on news channels and swarmed by fans and reporters, and has used this fame to win a court case and get free Smoothies. Was able to charm is way out of getting shot.)

Fine but replace Fear inducement with intimidation.
That's fine.
Water Hazard
• Invulnerability

(Stated to be invulnerable by the Ben 10 Ultimate Alien Guide Book. Aggregor stated that thanks to Bivalvin's armor that he is now invulnerable, which should make it superior Pandor's nigh-indestructible armor, which is unphased by conventional weapons and can only be pierced by Taydenite, an indestructible mineral that can cut through indestructible pressure forged Infinitum.)

"Invulnerability is the power to be immune to conventional harm."

"This is distinct from simply particularly high durability, which may make a character seem invulnerable to weaker opponents. Only characters whose invulnerability is clearly more than simply being exceptionally durable for the verse's setting qualify."

Unless it clear that he is invulnerable to all "physical damage" or something, I wouldn't count it. Otherwise, Bivalvin would be invulnerable to physical attacks.
So invulnerability is a no. I'll remove them now.
Base UAF/OV Kevin
• Memory Manipulation and Restoration [Metaphysical Restoration]

(Restored Arjit's memories and wanted to restore Alan's memories similiarly to how Servantis unintentionally restored Kevin's memories after Servantis had replaced them with false memories.)
Is it elaborated as to how he is doing this? Biological? Is this like sleeper agent programming being activated?
Not really metaphysical.
It's done via electricity. So, it's likely via electrical impulses.
Is Restoration [Immaterial] fine then?
• Restoration(Physical)
(Restored Pandor's armor as if it was never even damaged.)
Via his matter manip, but fine.
Nice😎
• Resistance to Madness Manipulation(Type 1)
(Absorbing the power of living beings causes insanity within Osmosians, despite going insane himself as a result in the past, Kevin would later learn to overcome this insanity.)
Isn't it mentioned that the "little brain zap" from Servantis helped him stay sane?
It's likely permanent now. There isn't anything that states that the effect of Servantis's brain zap is gone. The restoration of his mind probably fixed his brain.
• Resistance to Mind Manipulation(1 layer) and Telepathy
(Kevin could lock Servantis out of the minds of the Amalgam kids and free them from his control.

Wrong scan. Wasn't this done by destroying the Neuro-Matrix first then "un-programming" the kids?
Destroying the Neuro Matrix pervents Servantis from taking control of the Alamgum kids again. Hence, "You just destroyed your own Loyalty Neuro Matrix, you're locked out of their heads for good." Tho this doesn't stop Servantis from controlling the Alamgum kids as even after it was destroyed the Amalgam kids still rushed in to save Servantis until Kevin fixed their minds.
Could resist the Lucubra's attempt to takes over his mind despite it being able to control Gwen)

It's not related to having a metal shell around him?
Mostly likely. Can we change the description to:
Resistance to Mind Manipulation, 1 layer with Absorption
(Servantis couldn't manipulate Kevin's mind like the rest of Alamgum kids and can resist the Lucubra's mind manipulation by absorbing metal.)
Alien X:
• Beyond Dimensional Existence(Type 1)
(Stated to exist outside of space and time and that this state of being grants them immunity against space time destruction. Alien X was immune to the Annhilarrgh's space-time erasure. Celestialsapiens are born in The Forge of Creation, a realm out of sync with all of time and is the origin of the Universe including the Space Beyond)

I would avoid using the twitter statement.

The "origin" link is broken.
I think TwitterX statements are fine as long as they are consistent.

The argument was was tried
here but with less evidence and a large amount of outlier were discussed and dismissed here.

Besides, even Reiner, who got
HDE accepted, agrees with X having BDE1 instead.

I'll fix the link now.

• Resistance to Biology and Power Absorption [2 layers] (Kevin couldn't absorb Alien X's DNA through the Omnitrix despite gainging the biology and powers of Ben's entire active playlist and Alien X being an active transformation. Kevin could absorb Gwen's mana despite Gwen being able to resist Michael's attept.)

Iffy. At the time of Kevin's attempt, the override keys weren't inserted again.
The Ultimatrix said that transformation lock out is overwritten and said that the transformation is available. Indicating that the prior "lock out" code is gone.

Besides if an Osmosian like Aggregor could just absorb the power the power of any Celestialsapien then why not just ubsorb the Celestialsapien mommy he was standing on and just call it a day.
 
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