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A bit early for the next thread but eh might as well get it over with
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Invincible season 3 discussion
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A bit early for the next thread but eh might as well get it over with
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How much has Mark actually worked out?
Like, he's half-human, so it probably applies, but we got any fitness experts here?
In 90 days of presumably professional workouts, he got:
65% more Speed
70% more Endurance
138% more Strength
That feel underwhelming to anyone else?
Bro worked out for 3 months & couldn't improve by more than a 2 & a half times factor, AT BEST. If the other 2 statistics are any precedent, & they're treated as impressive, then his gains probably aren't much better.
Would numbers like those be good for a real person's workout?
Surely they'll give him some pro training. Some martial arts, CQC, weapons training; Skill & Intelligence stuff, not just stats.
Oliver/Kid Omni-Man, going frame by frame, didn't seem to draw blood, just knock down the head of a confused, presumably off-guard Mauler Twin. I fear he's gonna be just a jobber. But surely this show doesn't have the guts to have a little kid get destroyed like its other characters do? Or are they going to use his accelerated aging to work around that?
We can see Mark fighting male versions of Duplik8, so that suggests he goes to another universe.
Like, he's half-human, so it probably applies, but we got any fitness experts here?
In 90 days of presumably professional workouts, he got:
65% more Speed
70% more Endurance
138% more Strength
That feel underwhelming to anyone else?
Bro worked out for 3 months & couldn't improve by more than a 2 & a half times factor, AT BEST. If the other 2 statistics are any precedent, & they're treated as impressive, then his gains probably aren't much better.
Would numbers like those be good for a real person's workout?
Surely they'll give him some pro training. Some martial arts, CQC, weapons training; Skill & Intelligence stuff, not just stats.
Oliver/Kid Omni-Man, going frame by frame, didn't seem to draw blood, just knock down the head of a confused, presumably off-guard Mauler Twin. I fear he's gonna be just a jobber. But surely this show doesn't have the guts to have a little kid get destroyed like its other characters do? Or are they going to use his accelerated aging to work around that?
We can see Mark fighting male versions of Duplik8, so that suggests he goes to another universe.
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Judging by Mark's already lean and muscular body (likely because of his Viltrume heritage), duplicating his physical strength is an impressive gain.
Although it's basically implying that prior to this, Mark's previous "gains," if any, were not that impressive, which makes it odd to have him in at 7-A.
Although it's basically implying that prior to this, Mark's previous "gains," if any, were not that impressive, which makes it odd to have him in at 7-A.
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Idk, if I was already in healthy condition and got over twice as strong after only a few months of training, that'd be pretty impressive.
How do you think that'll go down?
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Well, checking Invincible's verse page, which the comics & TV series shares, Duplik8 doesn't even have a profile.
But, we do have profiles for a couple of presumable peers:
Rex Splode (TV Series)
Rex Splode is a character from the TV series "Invincible". He possesses the ability to generate explosive energy from his hands, which he can use to create powerful blasts. Initially portrayed as arrogant and cocky, Rex Splode is a member of the Guardians of the Globe. Over time, he faces...
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Attack Potency: At least Small Building level, possibly far higher physically (Fought against and killed all of the members of the Lizard League including Komodo Dragon who could fight against the Immortal), at least Small Building level to Small Country level, likely far higher with equipment (Oneshotted Komodo Dragon and Octoboss who could tank a hit from Invincible)
Shapesmith (TV Series)
Shapesmith is a martian superhero who came to Earth after taking the place of Rus Livingston, one of Earth's astronauts. After arriving on Earth and assuming Rus' identity, Shapesmith joined the Guardians of the Globe in an effort to protect people and become a superhero. Tier: At least 9-C...
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Attack Potency: At least Street level (Managed to knock out Rus Livingston in one hit[1], cracking his helmet in the process. Was able to kill multiple sequids at once with his bare hands[1]), likely Small Building level, possibly far higher (Fought the members of the Lizard League[2] alongside Rex, whom he should be comparable to)
I'd be surprised if Duplik8 was on Invincible's level at all. & I doubt her male counterpart from another universe will fare much better.
We see male Duplik8 knock down a distracted Rex from behind. Was Rex with Mark in this alternate universe? Or are they an invader?
We late see him give Rex a nosebleed.
& soon after, we see 12 of him on-screen at once. In fact, going frame by frame, a thirteenth instance of him can be seen in that scene.
Also, OMG LOL. In that scene, there seems to be TWO of them with the number 5. Did those artists really leave a continuity error in their trailer?!
Anyway, in the close-up of them grappling him, we can see the numbers on their shirts, much like how Duplik8's uniform also gets numbered. (Do their powers just... create the uniform?)
Highest number I saw is 42.
Anyway, Mark is able to behead one of them, bloody severed partial spinal cord & all, basically barehanded.
So yeah, if you're asking me, there's definitely no way "Infin8" or whater his name is gonna be, is gonna be scaling to Mark.
As for the whole alternate universe stuff, it's curious, because it looks like Earth, the clone dude attacks Rex & Invincible alike.
So this some kind of weird Guardians of the Globe Mission where Sinclair somehow got interdimensional universe tech & sent them somewhere? ....Nah, I doubt he'd sent his top supes to scout another world, let alone compromise his country for a crisis on another universe's planet.
So clone guy, Infin8 or whatver, seems like he's invading.
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I was asking what you thought would happen that would cause that fight, rather than how it would end, lol.Well, checking Invincible's verse page, which the comics & TV series shares, Duplik8 doesn't even have a profile.
But, we do have profiles for a couple of presumable peers:
Tier: At least 9-A, possibly far higher physically, at least 9-A to Low 6-B, likely far higher with equipmentRex Splode (TV Series)
Rex Splode is a character from the TV series "Invincible". He possesses the ability to generate explosive energy from his hands, which he can use to create powerful blasts. Initially portrayed as arrogant and cocky, Rex Splode is a member of the Guardians of the Globe. Over time, he faces...
Attack Potency: At least Small Building level, possibly far higher physically (Fought against and killed all of the members of the Lizard League including Komodo Dragon who could fight against the Immortal), at least Small Building level to Small Country level, likely far higher with equipment (Oneshotted Komodo Dragon and Octoboss who could tank a hit from Invincible)
Tier: At least 9-C, likely 9-A, possibly far higherShapesmith (TV Series)
Shapesmith is a martian superhero who came to Earth after taking the place of Rus Livingston, one of Earth's astronauts. After arriving on Earth and assuming Rus' identity, Shapesmith joined the Guardians of the Globe in an effort to protect people and become a superhero. Tier: At least 9-C...
Attack Potency: At least Street level (Managed to knock out Rus Livingston in one hit[1], cracking his helmet in the process. Was able to kill multiple sequids at once with his bare hands[1]), likely Small Building level, possibly far higher (Fought the members of the Lizard League[2] alongside Rex, whom he should be comparable to)
I'd be surprised if Duplik8 was on Invincible's level at all. & I doubt her male counterpart from another universe will fare much better.
We see male Duplik8 knock down a distracted Rex from behind. Was Rex with Mark in this alternate universe? Or are they an invader?
We late see him give Rex a nosebleed.
& soon after, we see 12 of him on-screen at once. In fact, going frame by frame, a thirteenth instance of him can be seen in that scene.
Also, OMG LOL. In that scene, there seems to be TWO of them with the number 5. Did those artists really leave a continuity error in their trailer?!
Anyway, in the close-up of them grappling him, we can see the numbers on their shirts, much like how Duplik8's uniform also gets numbered. (Do their powers just... create the uniform?)
Highest number I saw is 42.
Anyway, Mark is able to behead one of them, bloody severed partial spinal cord & all, basically barehanded.
So yeah, if you're asking me, there's definitely no way "Infin8" or whater his name is gonna be, is gonna be scaling to Mark.
As for the whole alternate universe stuff, it's curious, because it looks like Earth, the clone dude attacks Rex & Invincible alike.
So this some kind of weird Guardians of the Globe Mission where Sinclair somehow got interdimensional universe tech & sent them somewhere? ....Nah, I doubt he'd sent his top supes to scout another world, let alone compromise his country for a crisis on another universe's planet.
So clone guy, Infin8 or whatver, seems like he's invading.
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Ah. Sorry to go at such length.
I have no clue what could've caused it, though I do recall last season there was a time where we saw a universe where both Omniman AND Invincible were evil & tyrants that Earth was rebelling against.
It could be that Infin8 is from such a universe.... But that might not explain him attacking Rex. He'd have to know of Rex associating with Invincible, & he doesn't look ragged from living a rebel's life.
It is curious. He's a different gendered Kate, he has a better version of her powers (Up to 42 clones.), & seems to hate Rex &/or Invincible. Maybe he dislikes them by association with the Guardians of the Globe & Sinclair? Some kind of dislike of their experiments? Did GotG or Sinclair ruin clone guy's home? Maybe he just thinks superhumans in general are a problem to be removed?
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Well, if you're talking about cloning experiments, I think the only ones we'd know about at this point in the series are the Maulers, Robot(With the Maulers), and the ones that made Eve's "siblings".
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Hmmm. Well, there could've been an experiment that we don't know about yet that set off Infin8.
Or maybe he was friends with Robot or Eve, like Kate was, & GotG experiments on one or both of them got him up in arms about that?
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Honestly I’m more confused on how the numbers affect his current stats
138% his current strength isn’t actually that huge a gap (like he goes from 1.08 to 1.4 Teratons with the increase) so it means Season 2 Mark will basically scale to anything he performs in this season.
Say he gets a feat that’s Country Level, if he’s baseline Country that means Season 2 Mark has to get 3.4 Teratons of TNT just by virtue of the 180% number. But if a certain nuke feat is found at 4.3 Petatons then we get 2 Petatons for early Mark depending on scalig
What I’m saying is the 138 is more impressive for Mark’s baseline then his growth
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Wait, what?
The official wording, from the specific, non-automatic captions for the video are: "Over the last ninety days, Mark's speed has increased sixty-five percent. His endurance, seventy percent. And his strength, one-hundred and thirty-eight percent."
But doesn't gaining 138% of your strength mean that if you had 100 before (For example's sake), you've gained 138, ergo, your new total is 238?
So if gaining 138% means reaching almost 2.4x times your previous total, how would Mark go from only 1.08 to 1.4 Teratons??
TBH, I'd be surprised if we DIDN'T get something that makes him scale over 2.4x stronger in the whole season, especially with training.
180% number?
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Maybe I don't know his scaling points well enough to understand the variables in your math?
Nonetheless, I can believe that.
Still overall confused, though, sorry, lol.
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Im shit at maths ok?
But yeah that still only implies he’d be 2.5 Teratons if we assume just increasing from the 1.08
That’s true, my point is though you’d still be getting some backsclaing via the show putting a hard number on his improvements
Sleepy sleepy
There’s a certain feat that will come up probably this season that has calcs in thag range offsite, I don’t want to spoil what it is
Yea, I’m glad we agree
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Ah, sorry to put you on the spot like that, apologies if I made you feel bad.
For what it's worth, I think percentage is weird.
Because 138% of 100 is 138.
So if you "went to 138% power" or something, you'd be at 138. (Assuming your default is 100.)
But if you GAINED whatever percent, like, again, 138% of 100, then that's a gain of 138 added to the default 100, resulting in a total of 238.
So depending on whether a percentage state is like, a statement of what level or multiplier or proportion they're at, or if it's an addition, it can result in different numbers, you know?
I think that can be a bit confusing, certainly for me, at least, you know?
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This should've just been kept as one thread from the beginning imo
Pasting my CRT again praying a moderator who's into the series looks at it and gives input on the new justifications
Beware spoilers as this thread seems to be filled to the brim with show-onlies
Pasting my CRT again praying a moderator who's into the series looks at it and gives input on the new justifications
Beware spoilers as this thread seems to be filled to the brim with show-onlies
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That's such a dumb nickname I wonder how it caught on the fanbase
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Doubt it
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How do people feel about the solar disk thing being used? I've had a calc around for it for a while (3/4ish years before DB made it known) and am wondering if it'd be accepted for Conquest, seeing as he busted the same ship that withstood the recoil of the blast which blew up the disk.
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It should be accepted for all viltrumites since Thaedus said the weapons on Nolan's books would be actually effective against viltrumites, unlike what they have
Tho, given that it'll likely yield results higher than the current Viltrum calculation people will likely call outlier
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Guys like Thragg scale multiple times above the current Viltrum value due to one-shot stat gap between Omni-Man/Invincible/Thaedus, and the Viltrumites basically no-sold through that bullrush as well. Viltrum feat shouldn’t be the absolute upper limit cap for them, seeing as if Allen and TJ joined in there too, there the final result would’ve gotten even lower likely. Wouldn’t be any reach at all to say they could tank stuff not much higher. Conquest’s bullrushes could KO second form Allen indirectly, so it’d make sense if he was that strong. Value I got is around 2.5Ztons TNT via GBE. ~5x above Viltrum feat?It should be accepted for all viltrumites since Thaedus said the weapons on Nolan's books would be actually effective against viltrumites, unlike what they have
Tho, given that it'll likely yield results higher than the current Viltrum calculation people will likely call outlier
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Tbf I saw there was another calc around that got it deep into Large Planet level
It pretty contentious, safest bet is to wait for the show to go on detail over it. For a more feasibly upgrade currently, I feel like the ejected mass of Viltrum should be moving way above escape velocity
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I don’t agree with those calcs. Some use the little layers ejecting out in the explosion and assume an arbitrary time-frame to use for KE/velocity. Others wank the shit outta the supposed size of the disk and butcher all the geometric parameters relating to the disk-planet-star and all that. Case in point, DB.
I guess, but we won’t be able apply that to the comic either way, so no real point in that regard for the comic tiers. I don’t agree on that, escape velocity actually works and has a reasonable time-frame behind it. It’s not like it’s a whole minute or something. It’s like 10s. Though something tells me the show version of the feat will be much quicker/power.
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No other comic series would outright dismiss an adaptation when looking for references for their feats. The most significant changes scaling-wise in the show is the Guardians putting up more of a fight against viltrumites, as well as Mark, but the viltrumites themselves will still scale to the same feats we see in the comic when they get to them. If Amazon released a video about Viltrum's characteristics and it's confirmed to be a multiple times bigger than Earth, would you seriously argue that only applies to the TV series ?
That's exactly what I'm talking about, if the TV show displayed how fast they were actually moving would you scratch that ?
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Btw, would you be ok with me posting the "Heat" section of your weaknesses blog here while crediting you, or you'll eventually do it yourself ?
I'm working on some CRTs to revamp the verse
I'm working on some CRTs to revamp the verse
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It's not about what i'd argue. VSBW, nor anyone else, would accept it to apply to anything but the show. A random infodump vid from Prime is completely different than if it's only the show itself. If it's mentioned in the show that Viltrum is 10x Earth or whatever, it will only apply to the show. Why shouldn't we use comic feats and numbers for the show then? Stuff like Omni-Man's Thraxa travel feat, etc?
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Post what you want. No need for credit. I thought that shit was accepted before but eh whatever.
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Bruh. Also btw I posted solar disk calc.We should, I'll address that later on
Alright, thx
spaceship busts solar disk calc
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I might upload TJ sun calc soon to try boost him.
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I seeBruh. Also btw I posted solar disk calc.
spaceship busts solar disk calc
I might upload TJ sun calc soon to try boost him.
Also btw, I tried every way to get someone to take a look at the "Mark throwing half a meteor into space" mess to no avail :"
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Yeah it's pretty stupid how that abhorrent calc was ever approved, let alone not taken down yet. Literal 8th grade math fumbled and let through by the calc guys
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These feats are pretty eh overall, Rexsplode one I'd hardly count as a feat. Outrun feat was done whilst she was possessed and nerfed right? IIRC she has a better feat of running from LA to Utah in-between panels.
I'd say the best raw speed feat/scaling to come out of Invincible Universe/Guarding the globe is El Chupacabra dodging Kursk's lightning point blank, which is 60,000 miles per sec, and being unable to perceive Cho at all.
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Content creators and affiliates have already watched E1-6, but currently under embargo
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