Massive Slappy (Books) Page Rewrite

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

Introduction
Hello everyone. It has been quite some time since I've made my own CRT here, especially on Goosebumps, mostly because I lost interest of this place and started to do a lot of off-site scaling. During that time I've evolved on terms of powerscaling, both in how I do it and what I come up with for characters, and so I decided to bring my work over here, updating the profile for the one and only Goosebumps character cares about (I don't blame you) - Slappy the Dummy.

This thread entirely revolves around this big ass rewrite that I've made. I'm pretty proud of how it turned out, and it is just objectively better than what this wiki currently has. Of course, not everyone feels like reading the hyper-condensed Library of Alexandria that is that blog, so I'll be explaining what it will add here.

Quality of Death Life Improvements

• The profile now has references. I know you people have a fetish for that sort of thing.
• Every scan that isn't a YouTube clip is uploaded onto this wiki instead of Discord or Imgur to minimize the chances of scans disappearing (Ahem).
• Abilities that have gone without explanations are now given explanations (When needed. Don't ask me for the justification behind Sealing when it is literally right next to it), and abilities that already had descriptions have been improved upon.
• Just an overall cleaner look. The Attack Potency of the page for example is an ocean of blue text, because it listed every single bit of scaling Slappy has, regardless on whether or not it should be used in the first place. Also any calcs present in the page are highlighted, to make them stick out from the crowd.

Now it is time to go over the changes, starting with the statistics, and the most drastic aspect of them.

2-C Slappy via Magic
Likely the most eye-catching part of the blog. For the most part, the stuff is pretty straight-forward, the SlappyWorld books all take place in a "world" that he has narrative control over, and this world is said to be a universe both by the inhabitants and Slappy himself. Alongside the notion that Slappy scales above the other monsters in Goosebumps (With his magic of course. There are definitely characters that are physically more powerful than Slappy, but as someone who is autistically obsessed with the series and have experienced most of it, there isn't really any other character that is comparable to Slappy on terms of magical powers), which is something we've had for a long time now. The only one that needs to be clearly spelt out is the argument revolving around dreams.

For the most part, the nature of dreams and how they work in Goosebumps is never explained in the books that dreams or nightmares have appeared in. However, there is one book that does this - It's Only a Nightmare. In this book, it is revealed to us that dreams (Or "Dream Worlds" as they're referred to) are their own entire realities, and they're created when a "dream master" (Basically the person of entity that is having the dream, and therefore has control over it) enters an already existing universe. This is demonstrated in one of the book's various endings, where the Sleep Master took over the main character's home reality, therefore making it his Dream World. So basically, "dreams" in Goosebumps aren't mental constructs, but actual universes and characters who can influence them are actually influencing alternate realities. This also has some other ramifications on scaling, the other big one being that things that occur in dreams actually do happen, albeit in a reality separate from the one the book mostly takes place in.

Slappy absolutely scales to this, and then some. Even before his dream world powers peaked (Slappy in Dreamland), he has already shown to be capable of causing nightmares, either creating a new universe entirely or rewriting an already existing universe to **** with someone in their sleep. But by the time of Slappy in Dreamland, this control over dreams is drastically increased, both in potency and sheer capabilities. Not only could his magic be used to erase dream worlds entirely (Not even done by Slappy himself, but by some kid who got their hands on his chant), but he can take over several of them at once and even use them to influence the person while they're asleep. This is far superior to any other "dream master" we've seen across the series, or even in It's Only a Nightmare, who are pretty much exclusive to one universe whilst Slappy is out here manipulating dozens of them at once. This is why you would see "as a noticeably powerful dream manipulator, he should be comparable to [X]", because he bluntly demonstrates dream world warping abilities superior to them. For the sake of safety and readability, I kept this exclusive to the dream manipulators/dream masters from It's Only a Nightmare.

If that isn't good enough for 2-C, like you for some reason don't believe that these dreams Slappy is influencing are alternate realities, that isn't the only justification for 2-C. Aside from dream worlds, Slappy scales to ordinary universes, but from his own showings and scaling above other characters. In the book Danger Time! it is revealed to us that universes in Goosebumps aren't ordinary universes, but effectively mini-multiverses as individual universes actually contain multiple timelines (Or "Time frames" as they're called). So when Slappy, or likely any character that is creating, controlling, or destroying a universe in Goosebumps, they're actually affecting multiple timelines.

TL;DR

• Dreams in Goosebumps are actually their own entire universes.
• Slappy can manipulate, erase, or create these dreams, and sometimes multiple at once.
• Aside from that, Slappy also scales to universes in other ways.
• Individual universes are 2-C constructs.

Note: Knowing some people, I'm just gonna spell this out. Tier 2 is for Slappy's magic, not his physical strength. Of ******* course he isn't physically a universe buster. Okay? Good.

Now onto physicals.

9-A Slappy
For the most part, the rating of Slappy's physical strength is the same - he is still 9-B. 9-C was removed because most of them were either casually done, or they were from characters that are fodder to Slappy. Not really things you would use to showcase his full strength. The other major change is a "likely 9-A" rating, which comes from the relatively infamous garage explosion feat. Slappy use to be 9-A because of this many years ago, and there was even a calc, but due to suspicions that I couldn't address at the time (Because back then I was an incompetent dumbass that didn't even have the scan) about this not being a genuine explosion, rather the garage was engulfed in flames (Granted, this is how real propane should work, but as you'll see soon, this isn't the case here). So thus, it was just thrown in as another 9-B feat. However now, I can confirm that the blast destroyed the garage and didn't just cause a bunch of fire.

And then the thunder wasn't distant. It was right overhead. Then it was all around, a deafening boooom that hurt my ears, shook the ground, and made the hedges in front of us tremble.
I opened my eyes in time to see a wall of flame shoot up like a tall wave over the back of the garage. I felt a powerful burst of heat against my face. Like a strong, hot wind, it pushed me back and flattened me on the ground. It swept over me with a roar, drowning out my shrieks of horror.
I raised my head in time to see the garage burst apart. The roof flew up, and the walls crumbled and fell. And as the roof sailed to the sky, spinning as it rose, I heard shrill screams.

So this was an actual explosion, and Slappy should scale to its full force. How it was set off in the first place was because Slappy threw Snappy at the tank hard enough for it to explode, meaning Snappy would be directly at the epicenter, or very close to it. Snappy came out relatively fine from the explosion, and Slappy directly scales to him. I'm still trying to find someone who can calculate this feat, but I think it is pretty safe to say that it is 9-A given the above context, and it generally fits the description for 9-A.

Characters or objects capable of destroying rooms or entire small constructions such as houses or more modest buildings.

Infinite Speed
Honestly, I am not that confident in this one, but I decided to leave it in so we can talk about it. This comes from Slappy, and pretty much the rest of the major cast of Goosebumps Horrorland, being able to move just fine in Panic Park, despite it being a realm that is stuck in time. This isn't a timeless void or anything, time still exists here, it just doesn't move.

What makes this peculiar is that it is established that normal beings like humans are bound by time, and need it to flow in order for them to move. This is most clearly shown in The Curse of the Cave Creatures, where the main character froze all of humanity with a time stop spell, making everyone completely unable to move. This even froze other monsters, as the skeletons that were attacking the main character when he did this were also stuck in time. So in the specific case of Goosebumps, being able to move in stopped time is an impressive thing, and being stuck in time means more than just not aging, or some other thing that wouldn't contribute to any physical capabilities. Granted, the "Very Special Guests" (the human main characters of the series) were also able to move in Panic Park, but they aren't ordinary humans as some of them possess supernatural powers (I.E. Michael Munroe, who is part monster and can transform into one), and given the scan above, they are clear exceptions amongst the human race.

I've talked to staff members off-site about this, and they said that it could possibly warrant Infinite speed if it isn't the result of some special power protecting them. We aren't given an explanation as to why they're able to do this, but this could possibly be a result of Monster Time, however even this is dubious. In that scan from The Curse of Cave Creatures, when time was stopped it also affected the reanimated skeletons that were in the room with the main character, so just like everyone else they're also frozen by it. So Slappy and the other monsters present like the Haunted Mask are special exceptions amongst monsters, just like how the Very Special Guests are special exceptions amongst humans. With that, it could go either way with neither side having any more weight than the other, so I just decided to list both of them as Possibly. Again, not very confident in this one. If it gets accepted, great, if not, whatever.

New Abilities
Like I said before, this update will enhance the justifications behind Slappy's powers, but it will also add new powers and resistances. I'll just give a simple link of them here, if you want to know the justification behind them then you can find it yourself (CTRL + F). If I tried to stuff everything in here with just as much depth, then reading this thread wouldn't be much different than just reading the blog.

• Blessed (Very useful ability).
• Fragrance Manipulation.
• Aura.
• Creation.
• Existence Erasure.
• Power Bestowal.
• Statistics Amplification.
• Flight
• Non-Physical Interaction.
• Perception Manipulation (Labelled as "Deafness Inducement", for the sake of specificity).
• Earth Manipulation.
• Black Hole Creation.
• Restoration.
• Explosion Manipulation.
• Resistance to Adhesive Manipulation.
• Resistance to Probability Manipulation.
• Resistance to Vacuums.
• Resistance to Power Nullification/Resistance Negation.
• Resistance to Explosion Manipulation.
• Resistance to Subjective Reality and Dimensional Manipulation.
• Resistance to Soul Manipulation.

Other Additions

• A more in-depth list of names and titles he goes by.
• Better justification for him to have Infinite stamina (Basically the main thing driving him is a ghost, which are beings that don't need rest and continue going on forever if they wanted to).
• Revamped Standard Tactics. I decided to primarily focus on him normally and leave out his process of enslaving someone (Him doing bad shit that his current owner gets blamed for) because he wouldn't go about using that in a fight.
• Updated gallery (Minor, but people love aesthetic).
• A far more in-depth explanation on statistics like Weaknesses.

Aside from that, everything else is just a better version of what was already there.

Votes
That is it as far as I know. I think I will work on the other Slappy pages sometime later, if this goes well. Now it is time for the statistics to come in. Also if you're gonna nitpick the shit about it and hyper focus on tiny details that, realistically, most people wouldn't give a damn about, just don't do that for your, my, and everyone's sake.

Agree:
Disagree:
Inconclusive: Tllmbrg

 

[Tllmbrg]

Just an overall cleaner look. The Attack Potency of the page for example is an ocean of blue text, because it listed every single bit of scaling Slappy has, regardless on whether or not it should be used in the first place. Also any calcs present in the page are highlighted, to make them stick out from the crowd.

Don't do that? Why would we want every scaling Slappy possibly has despite of validity? This isn't a respect thread, stick to 2-3 relevant examples IMO.

Anyway, I will ask now, what about all the times Slappy gets harmed, mogged, and generally ripped apart by kids/regular adults? Even going off scans purely on this page it happens a fair bit. Even if you want to go the "Oh his reactive evolution and accelerated development let him grow to those levels" wouldn't we index him as 10-C in the start of his life?

As for light-speed attacks, I don't think there is enough evidence to assume it's actual light.

Preparation, Morality Manipulation, and Sealing are still not explained and thus should be removed unless given a reason.

For Ghost Form, I'd throw in scans for intangibility and incorporeality.

Sealing Resistance seems more like a possession feat since he didn't leave the Mind Stealer doll but rather took over it as a new host body

Law Manipulation resistance does not seem literal at all, rather just a fancy way to say Slappy is an evil creation.

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

Anyway, I will ask now, what about all the times Slappy gets harmed, mogged, and generally ripped apart by kids/regular adults? Even going off scans purely on this page it happens a fair bit. Even if you want to go the "Oh his reactive evolution and accelerated development let him grow to those levels" wouldn't we index him as 10-C in the start of his life?

Plot-Induced Stupidity. He explicitly has strength beyond an ordinary human and scales to more Tier 9 feats than books he even makes an appearance in. Realistically speaking he should be able to rip apart anyone he comes across, but the story can't have Slappy just instantly dominate everyone because it would make for a boring read, hence these total bullshit moments (This type of thing isn't a problem unique to Slappy either, and is something present across pretty much the entire horror genre).

Edit: Also I'm not sure where you are getting the idea of him being ripped apart by people. That never has happened beyond his head, which is meant to come off and isn't anything special.

As for light-speed attacks, I don't think there is enough evidence to assume it's actual light.

Its more in the grey area if anything. They're described as light beams and they don't necessarily violate any of this wiki's criteria. Maybe something like a likely or possibly would work better.

Preparation, Morality Manipulation, and Sealing are still not explained and thus should be removed unless given a reason.

I can give you one for Preparation, but the evidence for the other two abilities are literally right underneath the powers where their justification comes from. Morality Manipulation is underneath Madness Manipulation (He can make people willing to murder others), and Sealing is right underneath Soul Manipulation (How he became Slappy in the first place was him sealing his soul inside of the doll). You gave me shit about "fluff" both on Discord and in previous threads, so I thought you might would appreciate me not repeating shit in the page.

For Ghost Form, I'd throw in scans for intangibility and incorporeality.

He is a ghost, of course he would have the abilities for entities that don't have a physical body like ours.

Sealing Resistance seems more like a possession feat since he didn't leave the Mind Stealer doll but rather took over it as a new host body

What? No, he definitely left the Mind Stealer. We see Slappy alive and well in his normal body across the Goosebumps Horrorland series afterwards, and in the same book later on. Also him taking it over is almost completely baseless. The best that suggests that is that we can hear his voice from within the Mind Stealer, which is flimsy.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Its more in the grey area if anything. They're described as light beams and they don't necessarily violate any of this wiki's criteria. Maybe something like a likely or possibly would work better.

I'll go with whatever others say, but I'd personally not use it for anything

I can give you one for Preparation, but the evidence for the other two abilities are literally right underneath the powers where their justification comes from. Morality Manipulation is underneath Madness Manipulation (He can make people willing to murder others), and Sealing is right underneath Soul Manipulation (How he became Slappy in the first place was him sealing his soul inside of the doll). You gave me shit about "fluff" both on Discord and in previous threads, so I thought you might would appreciate me not repeating shit in the page.

You can also just do "Morality Manipulation and Madness Manipulation" in the same line and give the justification afterward rather than split the two if the reasoning is the same.

What? No, he definitely left the Mind Stealer. We see Slappy alive and well in his normal body across the Goosebumps Horrorland series afterwards, and in the same book later on. Also him taking it over is almost completely baseless. The best that suggests that is that we can hear his voice from within the Mind Stealer, which is flimsy.

He has multiple abilities that can just reforge the Mind Stealer's body into his own if he's inclined. Was the Mind Stealer doll ever shown after this chapter?

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

He has multiple abilities that can just reforge the Mind Stealer's body into his own if he's inclined. Was the Mind Stealer doll ever shown after this chapter?

No, even the bit of "later on in the book" I was referring doesn't mention the Mind Stealer at all. It is just Slappy.

 

[Tllmbrg]

Oh yah, checking the Restorations scans, the first example is valid
The Mr. Woody stuff should be removed though, it seems he is literally just placing stuff together/fixing it in a rather mundane fashion

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

Oh yah, checking the Restorations scans, the first example is valid
The Mr. Woody stuff should be removed though, it seems he is literally just placing stuff together/fixing it in a rather mundane fashion

After Mr. Wood is done, the boat starts glowing and all the cracks magically disappear. Definitely not mundane.

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

Also, in what world is bringing somebody back to life by placing their skeleton back together, with no flesh or muscle of any kind, "mundane"?

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

Oh yah, checking the Restorations scans, the first example is valid
The Mr. Woody stuff should be removed though, it seems he is literally just placing stuff together/fixing it in a rather mundane fashion

Tiny stuff aside, what is your stance on the CRT as a whole? Does it look acceptable or not?

 

[Tllmbrg]

Tiny stuff aside, what is your stance on the CRT as a whole? Does it look acceptable or not?

I do not have have any strong opinions on tier 2/infinite speed
Subsonic speed rating is actually unsupported, since even the fastest dog breed on earth only runs at 45 mph (Aka Superhuman, so really blitzing a dog should not net that at all. Mind you I'd also ask what breed the dog in the scan even is.
For Giant Slappy, I'd try calcing the destruction of the funhouse or him shaking the ground with his voice.
For the Ghost form scaling, I'd probably avoid using plot synopsis on book covers for scaling and try to find actual feats. I'm not even sure if those are even traditionally written by the author themselves so.
I think his intelligence rating should be "At least Genius, likely Extraordinary Genius"
I still think listing all of Slappy's possible feats in AP is silly, especially when you link a respect thread. That section would be a lot more readable, and would not require tabbers if you just trimmed it down.
His Weakness section is needlessly long, surely you can just convert it to a paragraph. Also remove/cut the reasoning for weaknesses where they're "Well if you do X it counters Y ability but Slappy has Z and W makes it unreliable" (Really all the non-personality based weaknesses besides Monster Blood having an expiration date are wordy to a fault. If the weaknesses can be countered by Slappy/is not reliable why even list it?)

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

Subsonic speed rating is actually unsupported, since even the fastest dog breed on earth only runs at 45 mph (Aka Superhuman, so really blitzing a dog should not net that at all. Mind you I'd also ask what breed the dog in the scan even is.

I mean I guess Subsonic speed is iffy in other ways, but this isn't it. The dog thing is just extra-justification alongside him blitzing humans even when they are on high alert, that doesn't necessarily go against it because him blitzing the dog would entail that he is massively faster.

For Giant Slappy, I'd try calcing the destruction of the funhouse or him shaking the ground with his voice.

We know barely anything about the structure, and it would still be 9-A either way. Him shaking the ground isn't even used as justification for 9-A.

For the Ghost form scaling, I'd probably avoid using plot synopsis on book covers for scaling and try to find actual feats. I'm not even sure if those are even traditionally written by the author themselves so.

They're still materials officially published and accepted by Scholastic. As far as I see it, there isn't any real reason not to use them. Not like canonicity means anything in Goosebumps anyway.

I still think listing all of Slappy's possible feats in AP is silly, especially when you link a respect thread. That section would be a lot more readable, and would not require tabbers if you just trimmed it down.

This is definitely not listing every possible feat Slappy has in AP. This is, with the dozens of pointless 9-C feats, and the AP section is absolutely shorter than what this wiki has now.

The only reason why there are tabbers is to separate his physical and magical AP, which are their own separate things that don't correlate to each other, and mixing them together would just make the page more unreadable.

His Weakness section is needlessly long, surely you can just convert it to a paragraph. Also remove/cut the reasoning for weaknesses where they're "Well if you do X it counters Y ability but Slappy has Z and W makes it unreliable" (Really all the non-personality based weaknesses besides Monster Blood having an expiration date are wordy to a fault. If the weaknesses can be countered by Slappy/is not reliable why even list it?)

I guess some can be removed, but its like the way it is to go in-depth on Slappy's weaknesses. To show that while these are things that can and have screwed him over before, they aren't absolute and there are caveats with them, which is absolutely something that should be indexed and would be useful to know in a vs match. Not like clumping them into one big ball of text would make it any more readable (Which is a purely subjective thing, mind you).

 

[Tllmbrg]

I mean I guess Subsonic speed is iffy in other ways, but this isn't it. The dog thing is just extra-justification alongside him blitzing humans even when they are on high alert, that doesn't necessarily go against it because him blitzing the dog would entail that he is massively faster.

That dog feat scaling is the closest he has to a subsonic feat from what you listed. The other stuff can honestly count as not superhuman if one is less charitable (That interview jumping feat especially comes off as him just catching her by surprise)

This is definitely not listing every possible feat Slappy has in AP. This is, with the dozens of pointless 9-C feats, and the AP section is absolutely shorter than what this wiki has now.

You can still cut it down more imo

I guess some can be removed, but its like the way it is to go in-depth on Slappy's weaknesses. To show that while these are things that can and have screwed him over before, they aren't absolute and there are caveats with them, which is absolutely something that should be indexed and would be useful to know in a vs match. Not like clumping them into one big ball of text would make it any more readable (Which is a purely subjective thing, mind you).

Ego, anger issues, power hunger, insanity and sadism, fear of termites, and expiration date are fine as is, maybe rephrasing can shorten them down.
Chant I'd remove entirely, because you both provided an example of it not working and even if it works he can just keep fighting as a ghost
Restoration I'd also remove, you are literally aiding Slappy if you go that route

Also you can 100% just combine the personality flaws into one cohesive paragraph that is not longer than the list you gave the current section.

They're still materials officially published and accepted by Scholastic. As far as I see it, there isn't any real reason not to use them. Not like canonicity means anything in Goosebumps anyway.

Is there a standard for Goosebumps canon, I feel like you should make a thread establishing what is and isn't usable if there isn't because using plot synopsis as evidence is not something most verses would consider legit.

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

Chant I'd remove entirely, because you both provided an example of it not working and even if it works he can just keep fighting as a ghost

It is still something that can work, and has been used to stop him in his tracks in the books.

Restoration I'd also remove, you are literally aiding Slappy if you go that route

You're taking him out of a state that is either the most powerful version of him, or just him but untouchable. This is by no means "aiding him".

If the length really is such a problem I think a better way to address it would be to just put it underneath a collapsible tab.

Is there a standard for Goosebumps canon, I feel like you should make a thread establishing what is and isn't usable if there isn't because using plot synopsis as evidence is not something most verses would consider legit.

Not like there is much that needs to be said. This Slappy rewrite says it all in the summary, linking an interview where R.L. Stine said he doesn't like connecting his stuff together and just wants to write a bunch of stories. So fundamentally, our understanding of "canon" doesn't really work here or is faulty at best.

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

Otherwise that can be something that can be handled another time, not when we are focused on a singular profile.

 

[Tllmbrg]

It is still something that can work, and has been used to stop him in his tracks in the books.

So does it or does it not work? You can't list a weakness and then in the same breathe go "In X case it straight up did not work"

You're taking him out of a state that is either the most powerful version of him, or just him but untouchable. This is by no means "aiding him".

You are reviving him so like, but I guess? I'll see what others think

Not like there is much that needs to be said. This Slappy rewrite says it all in the summary, linking an interview where R.L. Stine said he doesn't like connecting his stuff together and just wants to write a bunch of stories. So fundamentally, our understanding of "canon" doesn't really work here or is faulty at best.

Ngl if that's unironically how he writes it I feel like there should be a discussion on if Slappy or even the book pages as a whole should exist as they are rn. Slappy's page by this metric is a composite that's not intended in-universe at all.

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

So does it or does it not work? You can't list a weakness and then in the same breathe go "In X case it straight up did not work"

Its inconsistent, its a variable that could happen with any given time it is used on him. This kind of thing is exactly why I had it formatted how it is. Why I said these weaknesses aren't absolute.

You are reviving him so like, but I guess? I'll see what others think

You're essentially locking him back into a weaker form. Him dying doesn't really matter, nor is it really unique to him amongst fiction.

Ngl if that's unironically how he writes it I feel like there should be a discussion on if Slappy or even the book pages as a whole should exist as they are rn. Slappy's page by this metric is a composite that's not intended in-universe at all.

The books are still connected to each other and reference each other (I.E. Monster Blood and Amaz-O from Bad Hare Day appearing or being referenced in Return to Horrorland. King Jellyjam appearing in The Knight in Screaming Armor. Slappy's head being smashed open at the beginning of Night of the Living Dummy III, which happened in Night of the the Living Dummy II. Slappy appearing in Escape from the Carnival of Horrors. Among many other instances, including just the Goosebumps Horrorland series as a whole). Canon still kind of exists here in the sense that the books share a universe or whatever, but beyond that it doesn't matter all that much and isn't something that should have much thought put into it.

 

[Gewsbumpz_dude]

If a thread or blog or whatever is really necessary, then like I said we can just cover it later when we aren't focusing on a single profile. In the meantime I'll just leave out that statement for Slappy's ghost form, because I just want to focus on the doll right now.