Upgrade Conceptual Manipulation type 2 for Ether (Kawakamiverse)

[Arcane1109]

First, Ether is the "foundational element of all things". Ether is also the element that creates everything, including magic, spells, etc.

Witches can manipulate the Ether and Ley lines to make the world obey them by using Spells.

All Existence, such as humans and even AI like Balancer, are created from Ether. This is the same as what was stated earlier, that Ether is the concept that creates everything. It was also stated that Ether created the human soul. In other words, all human souls and lives including data such as AI come from Ether.

 

[Arcane1109]

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[Livinmeme]

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[DontTalkDT]

Given that Ether is said to be information and laws are compared to an OS that runs of it, I think Ether equalizes closer to Information (Type 2) than Concepts. If it were Concepts they would be Type 3 btw. as every object has its own individual mold. (cough Just started writing a Kawakami explanation page cough)

Names are closer to concepts, they should get Concept Type 3, I think. But that's beside the point.

 

[Arcane1109]

Given that Ether is said to be information and laws are compared to an OS that runs of it, I think Ether equalizes closer to Information (Type 2) than Concepts. If it were Concepts they would be Type 3 btw. as every object has its own individual mold. (cough Just started writing a Kawakami explanation page cough)

Names are closer to concepts, they should get Concept Type 3, I think. But that's beside the point.

Thanks for the input. I wasn't really sure about this myself and just wanted to see how others responded. I've also read your thread about Names on kawakamiverse, which is why I didn't bring it up.

By the way, do you need help filling out that page? I happen to have some feats from OnC, GnH, and OaGP.

But, if you don't need it, that's fine, because I'll probably mess it up (lol).

 

[DontTalkDT]

By the way, do you need help filling out that page? I happen to have some feats from OnC, GnH, and OaGP.

But, if you don't need it, that's fine, because I'll probably mess it up (lol).

Sure, I would love some help!
Shame that neither of us has read Horizon lol

I have copied the page into a sandbox so that (I think) you can edit it.

Or you can just show me the quotes and I will add them in myself. Really need to find a better way to add Godless Planet feats lol


Any good ideas for feats/statements to show that Ether composes/manipulates minds? First thing that comes to mind for me is that Rollbacks in On a Godless Planet restore the mind, but that's a bit indirect. I wonder if there is a better example.

 

[Arcane1109]

Sure, I would love some help!
Shame that neither of us has read Horizon lol

I have copied the page into a sandbox so that (I think) you can edit it.

Or you can just show me the quotes and I will add them in myself. Really need to find a better way to add Godless Planet feats lol


Any good ideas for feats/statements to show that Ether composes/manipulates minds? First thing that comes to mind for me is that Rollbacks in On a Godless Planet restore the mind, but that's a bit indirect. I wonder if there is a better example.

Mind manipulation aside from Rollback? I forgot a bit or maybe there's another statement I missed, but from what I have, mind and memory manipulation is only obtained from the AI/Balancer that created the Gods.

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[Arcane1109]

Maybe I'll look for another statement. My own reason for following this series was simply because I liked it. So, when I first read it, I didn't really focus on battleboarding-related aspects. To find these feats or statements, I had to read it several times (lol). Yes, I read a novel with that many chapters over and over again.

Just as a note, I actually read KnH, but I'm not further along than the anime version. Well, I only read through 1A of it. I didn't have too much time for it. What's more, I had watched the anime first before reading the novel, which made me a little lazy to read it, because I more or less already knew how the plot would go.

I also tried to read the sequel to the anime, but I stopped because, from what others have said, there was some important information that wasn't explained in the anime. That's why I read it from the beginning.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Reading these long books multiple times is sure some dedication. I usually rely on memory, crtl+f and Google advanced search to gather quotes lol

Started reading Horizon as well, but stopped before finishing the first volume. Just wasn't ready to commit to that long of a series. Now I'm reading Zenon City Tokyo as preparation for reading Fangaku and it sure is an experience. The way the first chapter mixes metaphorical descriptions, abstract things being given physical form and interacting with non-physical abstract things as if they had physical form sure makes it a brain twister...

In the end I managed to find a good quote for minds using Google: Clash of Hexennacht mentions that minds are composed from Ether in passing. I added it to the sandbox alongside other quotes, so I guess that part is covered pretty well now.
I guess Knowledge (Information Type 1) is next on my to-do list.

Edit: Btw. you don't happen to remember anything about causality in the Kawakamiverse do you? It's like the one metaphysical aspect we lack yet lol

 

[Arcane1109]

Edit: Btw. you don't happen to remember anything about causality in the Kawakamiverse do you? It's like the one metaphysical aspect we lack yet lol

Didn't you already make a post about the Balancer creating the Divine World? I'm pretty sure that falls under causality (history) manipulation.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Yeah, it was decided that falls under causality, although it certainly is a quite unusual type.

On other news, Zenon City Tokyo is quite something.

I looked up to the top of Building 2 and saw the Professor and the science club desperately pulling on a rope dangling from the sky.

But the rope seemed really tough, so a few of the students in lab coats were dangling down from it.

As the rope gradually lowered, the sky turned to night starting from the east. The sun descended as well.

Oh, c’mon. I just drank my morning coffee.

As soon as I left the lobby to get after them, the sky pulled back with a great force.

By the time I nodded to myself, I was sitting cross-legged on Building 2’s roof. Bicycles, trees, cases of beer, small stones, and other objects were scattered around me. The Professor was right in front of me and he pushed up his glasses.

“Yeah, sorry about that. There seem to have been some side effects.”

“You were trying to turn back time because the Science Research Club wasn’t ready yet, weren’t you?”

“That’s because your gamble bungee took up too much time. I’ll pay back the kindness eventually.”

Altering time by just pulling a rope or

I sighed. I was basking in the summer heat when the heat said he didn’t want any guys basking in him, so I threw him to the ground.

After a careless and unpeaceful fistfight with the heat, you ran up and stopped me.

“Stop that, you idiot! A commoner like you can’t hope to defeat a part of nature.”

Casually getting into a physical fight with the summer heat.
Definitely going to make some good support for the Subjective Reality section.... or whatever I will list that as.

 

[Arcane1109]

Wow, you read the City series? Too bad I didn't read it, so I can't comment more on it.

Definitely going to make some good support for the Subjective Reality section.... or whatever I will list that as.

Then, if you're talking about Subjective Reality, I think there's other supporting evidence in Hexennacht. Such as the use of Spells or the summoning of Frames that depend on the witch's imagination and will, or even the statement about Ether being able to be used to rewrite the world (although most of those feats come from Kagami using Craft-style lol). I remember that there are some feats from the Gods that claim to be able to rewrite the laws of physics using Ether.

Well, if there's time, maybe I'll start re-reading the Kyokaisenjou no Horizon series while profiling some of the characters.

 

[DontTalkDT]

Wow, you read the City series? Too bad I didn't read it, so I can't comment more on it.

Yeah, I originally wanted to read Fangaku, as that seems in spirit similar to On a Godless Planet, which I really liked. But then they kept making references to the past of Tokyo, so I ended up deciding to read Zenon City Tokyo first. Zenon City Tokyo is technically the first part of the Kawakamiverse that got written, so I will read the newest and oldest right after one another. It will make for an interesting comparison.

I also just had a peak at the two newest Fangaku chapters and they bring the Owari no Chronicle Gears and Concepts back. Not as full worlds, though, but as dungeon floors.

Then, if you're talking about Subjective Reality, I think there's other supporting evidence in Hexennacht. Such as the use of Spells or the summoning of Frames that depend on the witch's imagination and will, or even the statement about Ether being able to be used to rewrite the world (although most of those feats come from Kagami using Craft-style lol). I remember that there are some feats from the Gods that claim to be able to rewrite the laws of physics using Ether.

Well, if there's time, maybe I'll start re-reading the Kyokaisenjou no Horizon series while profiling some of the characters.

That reminds me that I still have to decide whether I keep Subjective Reality as sub-category of Ether, as something separate or both.

Rewriting reality with imagination via Ether spells is certainly one thing, although it's debatable if that counts as subjective reality. Depends on the exact formulation, I suppose...
There is the bit about gods, in On a Godless Planet, each viewing floods differently as well. Like how if they all viewed the edge of the flooding they would each see something different. The gods usually use Ether for their stuff and Divine Rank could negate this effect, so that speaks for this being in the scope of Ether.

On the other hand, does Zenon City Tokyo not really use Ether as such. It uses Phlogiston Tanks, but not spells and stuff. So that seems not very Ether-like. Maybe Fangaku will unify it, as that uses Ether again...