WWE Superhuman Upgrades

[RandomGuy2345]

I felt like waiting until some of the feats I requested to get calc'd first, then make this CRT, but:

1. None of the feats got calculated
and
2. This has been bothering me for a while and I want to tackle this now

Anyways, let's get started.

WWE Superhuman LS​

This applies to the following wrestlers:

John Cena

Triple H

Gunther

Drew McIntyre

Sheamus

Roman Reigns

The following wrestlers are only Peak Human (though for some reason Drew and Sheamus are Athletic Human, and Gunther is Class 5 to Class 25) in terms of LS

However, a good portion of the wrestlers on this level have shown very similar feats of strength, some examples being:

John Cena having a test of strength with Bobby Lashley and somewhat holding his own

Sheamus giving Mark Henry a good run for his money in an arm wrestling contest, albeit losing

Sheamus somewhat holding his own against Mark Henry in a game of tug-of-war

The commentary team implied that Cena and Triple H were roughly even in terms of strength

John Cena breaks out of The Great Khali's grip

His show of strength even startled Batista

Gave Mark Henry a good run for his money in an arm wrestling contest

Broke out of Big Show's bearhug

Broke out of Mark Henry's grip

Roman Reigns breaking out of Kane's grip

As you can see, this is very consistent for the wrestlers on this level of LS.

Am I saying that these guys should be Class 5 to Class 25 like the others? No.

However I am proposing this:

At least Superhuman, possibly higher

I think this is a good placeholder, as I firmly believe these wrestlers don’t directly scale to Class 5 to Class 25, in fact in virtually all of the clips shown here, they are giving it their all to overpower them, and even then it’s still a struggle, meanwhile wrestlers on the Class 5 to Class 25 LS range do their feats rather casually.

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WWE Superhuman Speed​

The WWE should be upgraded to Superhuman speed, and I actually found some decent evidence and supporting feats to back it up.

On this calc, John Cena survives getting ran over by JBL, or at least, that’s what we’d think

This segment was actually a buildup to their Parking Lot Brawl at The Great American Bash, where the commentators state that John Cena was able to escape in the nick of time, and that he was barely grazed. In the calc shown above, the car’s top speed was 40.5517241379MPH or 18.12824275860682m/s, which is decently Superhuman in terms of speed. This means Cena was able to get out of the way from a car that was moving at that level of speed.

Now, for some supporting feats…

Bianca Belair casually outruns athletes in track and field, even handicapping herself to give them an advantage

Mr. Perfect catches his own hail mary. While it is possible to catch your own hail mary throw, what makes Mr. Perfect’s catch objectively more impressive, was that after the ball left his hands, he waited a few seconds, then took off and caught the ball, as opposed to the kid immediately taking off the moment the ball left his hand.

And that's it. Superhuman LS and Superhuman Speed.

Agree: @LephyrTheRevanchist, @Propellus

Disagree:

Neutral:

 

[henryzx900ruly]

Seems straightford

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Should be fine

 

[Youngwolf-0.1]

Looks fine to me

 

[Tonygameman]

Straight agree.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Bianca Belair casually outruns athletes in track and field, even handicapping herself to give them an advantage

Was honestly considering calculating this using a speed-distance-time calculator, but I decided to leave it as a solid supporting feat.

 

[Shadowslash125]

Agreed!

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Agreed!

Yooooo

 

[Richard5128pm]

Agreed

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Bump

 

[Mr._Propeller_Hat]

I guess this is okay at glance

 

[E6pire]

Shouldn't roman reigns, john cena and others be the benchmark for them in terms of lifting strength, as they lift people like braun strowman, kane, and the undertaker? So class 5 to 25

 

[E6pire]

Shouldn't roman reigns, john cena and others be the benchmark for them in terms of lifting strength, as they lift people like braun strowman, kane, and the undertaker? So class 5 to 25

I mean, even if they have to put in a lot of effort lifting them, they still do it, they're still going to be inferior to them in terms of buoyancy, but they're also comparable to them. That's why I believe it should be class 5 to 25

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Shouldn't roman reigns, john cena and others be the benchmark for them in terms of lifting strength, as they lift people like braun strowman, kane, and the undertaker? So class 5 to 25

They're not quite on the level of the Class 5 to Class 25 guys

As you can see from the above, they consistently struggle trying to get out of the Class 5 to Class 25 wrestlers grips, so they shouldn't directly scale, but them being vaguely Superhuman is a good placeholder, because them being Peak Human means they shouldn't make them budge

 

[E6pire]

They're not quite on the level of the Class 5 to Class 25 guys

As you can see from the above, they consistently struggle trying to get out of the Class 5 to Class 25 wrestlers grips, so they shouldn't directly scale, but them being vaguely Superhuman is a good placeholder, because them being Peak Human means they shouldn't make them budge

If somebody is forced against an opponent, it does not mean that they are not going to get scale, on the contrary, it means that they are going to get scale, you said it yourself, they are doing it, but they are forced. So in this case it's comparable. Even pushing the opponent is enough to scale his lifting strength, not to mention he beat them many times. Look at this video too. Reigns easily overpowers Braun and pushes him out of the ring if you look at the whole video he does things like that. He's done the same thing in the past. And reigns gives scale to the names written above. So there is no reason why these characters should not be class 5 to 25.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Reigns easily overpowers Braun and pushes him out of the ring

No he didn't. He simply used his momentum against him to push him out of the ring. That's an intelligence/skill feat.

Plus, it's been depicted and stated many times that people like Strowman, Big Show, and Khali are stronger than people like Cena, Roman, Sheamus, Triple H, etc.

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

This can be applied btw

 

[E6pire]

No he didn't. He simply used his momentum against him to push him out of the ring. That's an intelligence/skill feat.

Bro, you say yourself, he pushed him out of the ring, and then you say intelligence, if he doesn't have enough strength to push him, what if he had intelligence, he did it using his strength and intelligence, also watch the whole match, reigns pushes strowman all the time, he pushes his head on the stairs, this is a lifting strength achievement

Plus, it's been depicted and stated many times that people like Strowman, Big Show, and Khali are stronger than people like Cena, Roman, Sheamus, Triple H, etc.

It may be more powerful, but it is also comparable to other names, there is no problem with that

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Bro, you say yourself, he pushed him out of the ring, and then you say intelligence, if he doesn't have enough strength to push him, what if he had intelligence, he did it using his strength and intelligence, also watch the whole match, reigns pushes strowman all the time, he pushes his head on the stairs, this is a lifting strength achievement

It may be more powerful, but it is also comparable to other names, there is no problem with that

Let me give a more elaborate explanation

John Cena having a test of strength with Bobby Lashley and somewhat holding his own

Bobby is clearly depicted as being the stronger of the two, and Cena genuinely struggles to be on equal footing.

Batista and Bobby Lashley stalemated each other multiple times in a test of strength

Meanwhile Batista was able to give Lashley genuine trouble in a test of strength

The commentary team implied that Cena and Triple H were roughly even in terms of strength

It's implied that John Cena and Triple H are equals in terms of strength

Scott Steiner didn't have much trouble beating Triple H in an arm wrestling contest. In fact, he smiled at him around halfway through.

Big Show overpowers both Cena and CM Punk

Big Show easily overpowers John Cena

I've just shown multiple occasions where Class 5 to Class 25 wrestlers are clearly depicted to be superior to wrestlers like Cena, Triple H, and others in terms of LS.

At best, I can warrant a "At least Superhuman, possibly Class 5", as wrestlers on this level have to use all their might to make the Class 5 to Class 25 wrestlers kind of struggle, and I use that term lightly.

 

[E6pire]

Let me give a more elaborate explanation

John Cena having a test of strength with Bobby Lashley and somewhat holding his own

Bobby is clearly depicted as being the stronger of the two, and Cena genuinely struggles to be on equal footing.

Batista and Bobby Lashley stalemated each other multiple times in a test of strength

Meanwhile Batista was able to give Lashley genuine trouble in a test of strength

The commentary team implied that Cena and Triple H were roughly even in terms of strength

It's implied that John Cena and Triple H are equals in terms of strength

Scott Steiner didn't have much trouble beating Triple H in an arm wrestling contest. In fact, he smiled at him around halfway through.

Big Show overpowers both Cena and CM Punk

Big Show easily overpowers John Cena

I've just shown multiple occasions where Class 5 to Class 25 wrestlers are clearly depicted to be superior to wrestlers like Cena, Triple H, and others in terms of LS.

At best, I can warrant a "At least Superhuman, possibly Class 5", as wrestlers on this level have to use all their might to make the Class 5 to Class 25 wrestlers kind of struggle, and I use that term lightly.

you said it yourself, they are doing it, but they are forced. So in this case it's comparable.

It may be more powerful, but it is also comparable to other names, there is no problem with that

Hmm okey

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Completely forgot about this. Oops.

Hmm okey

@E6pire I think it's a bit of a dick move to completely ignore your arguments just to apply the upgrades because staff said it was okay to do so.

So...

Should be fine

I guess this is okay at glance

Can you read through me and pire's arguments?

My proposal is that the following wrestlers:

John Cena

Triple H

Gunther

Drew McIntyre

Sheamus

Roman Reigns

Should be labeled as "At least Superhuman, possibly higher", and if not that, then, "At least Superhuman, possibly Class 5"

The aforementioned wrestlers are clearly portrayed to be weaker and not on the same level of LS as the Class 5 to Class 25 guys, however, it's pretty consistent for them to be not completely stomped by those wrestlers stronger than them, as I've said earlier, so that's why I proposed this label, as it clearly takes at the very least, Superhuman strength to do any of the LS feats they're doing.

However, I believe @E6pire is arguing for the aforementioned wrestlers to be labeled as "Possibly/Likely Class 5 to Class 25", because while he agrees that these wrestlers are consistently depicted to be weaker, that doesn't necessarily mean they shouldn't scale to their value at all, since it's fairly common for characters to get the same ratings as characters they're inferior to.

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Should be fine

I guess this is okay at glance

@LephyrTheRevanchist @Propellus

 

[RandomGuy2345]

Bump

 

[LephyrTheRevanchist]

Simply apply what has been accepted

 

[ShakeResounding]

RandomGuy2345 carrying the WWE verse on his back

I agree as well

 

[RandomGuy2345]

RandomGuy2345 carrying the WWE verse on his back

@Pikaman is gone and @DemonicDude wants nothing to do with the verse anymore, so yeah I'm basically by myself lol

I've still got LS feats I want calculated (I'm starting to lose hope on this though), and I need to fix the LS scaling for the verse in general so people can give a good idea of who scales to who

 

[RandomGuy2345]

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