The Return of The Pumpkin Rabbit CRT

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Im a little late on the Halloween CRT, but late's better than never!

New page:

Pumpkinrabbit

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Old page:

Lorenzo Waterman

Lorenzo Waterman, also known as The Pumpkin Rabbit is the main antagonist of The Mysterious House and The Return of the Pumpkin Rabbit. He is a disfigured rabbit serial killer wearing a yellow mask who murders children annually on Halloween night. Starting the murders in 1974, both he and his...

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General changes; completely overhauled for his Mysterious House, and Return episodes! downgraded to 9-C, giving him better justifications, plus some new abilities along with that. nothing too drastic.

Small other changes that should be made;

Rename his page to "Lorenzo Waterman (Pumpkin Rabbit)" (or something to this effect), as we've been given a canonical name to him, and generally looks better and will be less confusing for unknowledgable wiki members for when he has a second page for his dream version.

 

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[VIZION99]

Im a little late on the Halloween CRT, but late's better than never!

New page:

Pumpkinrabbit

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Old page:

Lorenzo Waterman

Lorenzo Waterman, also known as The Pumpkin Rabbit is the main antagonist of The Mysterious House and The Return of the Pumpkin Rabbit. He is a disfigured rabbit serial killer wearing a yellow mask who murders children annually on Halloween night. Starting the murders in 1974, both he and his...

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General changes; completely overhauled for his Mysterious House, and Return episodes! downgraded to 9-C, giving him better justifications, plus some new abilities along with that. nothing too drastic.

Small other changes that should be made;

Rename his page to "Lorenzo Waterman (Pumpkin Rabbit)", as we've been given a canonical name to him, and generally looks better and will be less confusing for unknowledgable wiki members for when he has a second page for his dream version.

Pumpkin Rabbit should have telekinesis since he can move a dead corpse without touching it. He should also have type 2 Immorality for being able to survive being burned alive.

 

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Pumpkin Rabbit should have telekinesis since he can move a dead corpse without touching it.

Did you link the wrong scene?

He should also have type 2 Immorality for being able to survive being burned alive.

surviving being burnt alive isn't immortality type 2 on it's own. it's just a good stamina feat of his.

 

[VIZION99]

Did you link the wrong scene?

Should be shown here

surviving being burnt alive isn't immortality type 2 on it's own. it's just a good stamina feat of his.

True I guess but shouldn't he keep his previous immortality type 2?

 

[Comiphorous]

True I guess but shouldn't he keep his previous immortality type 2?

His appearance in a mysterious house was retconned, so no.

 

[VIZION99]

His appearance in a mysterious house was retconned, so no.

Can Pumpkin Rabbit have regeneration since he had severe burn marks on his body when being burned but later, his burned marks faded away.

 

[Homie890]

Lorenzo Waterman,what a name.
agree.
(also,why is he walking like that?)

 

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Can Pumpkin Rabbit have regeneration since he had severe burn marks on his body when being burned but later, his burned marks faded away.

Definitely not. Lorenzo had been completely butchered by the first fire and never regenerated from it, and the outer shell can't really be considered his own body like it used to before his design retcon.



bump.

 

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i've sent several mods a message on their wall, hopefully we can get this through.

 

[VIZION99]

Im a little late on the Halloween CRT, but late's better than never!

New page:

Pumpkinrabbit

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Old page:

Lorenzo Waterman

Lorenzo Waterman, also known as The Pumpkin Rabbit is the main antagonist of The Mysterious House and The Return of the Pumpkin Rabbit. He is a disfigured rabbit serial killer wearing a yellow mask who murders children annually on Halloween night. Starting the murders in 1974, both he and his...

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General changes; completely overhauled for his Mysterious House, and Return episodes! downgraded to 9-C, giving him better justifications, plus some new abilities along with that. nothing too drastic.

Small other changes that should be made;

Rename his page to "Lorenzo Waterman (Pumpkin Rabbit)", as we've been given a canonical name to him, and generally looks better and will be less confusing for unknowledgable wiki members for when he has a second page for his dream version.

Pumpkin Rabbit should have shapeshifting since he not only took mimic Paco's voice but took his appearance. Before you say that it his spirit. It is obviously Pumpkin Rabbit due to how strange he talks and impatient he sounds compare to Duckie's spirit who sounded like the actually Duckie.

Also, can you please add telekinesis. It is in the scene where right before Pumpkin Rabbit enters the basement to get Jay and Dino, he moves a corpse without touching it.

 

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Pumpkin Rabbit should have shapeshifting since he not only took mimic Paco's voice but took his appearance. Before you say that it his spirit. It is obviously Pumpkin Rabbit due to how strange he talks and impatient he sounds compare to Duckie's spirit who sounded like the actually Duckie.

Im unsure about shapeshifting. It seems more to me that Lorenzo was literally using the corpse of Paco as bait + the voice mimicry to get Ray to come out. It seems to line up more with how the couple act with the bodies of previous victims as well. not 100% against it though, i suppose it's possible. it could also be illusions he created as this isn't the first time a dead person has appeared completely fine in the house before.

Speaking of Lorenzo's battle against corpses, can we give him any higher AP absolutely decimating Ralph's corpse into whatever the hell this is? it's hard to tell what he exactly did to Ralph in this scene, so i didn't include it, but i might as well ask about it.

 

[Homie890]

Speaking of Lorenzo's battle against corpses, can we give him any higher AP absolutely decimating Ralph's corpse into whatever the hell this is? it's hard to tell what he exactly did to Ralph in this scene, so i didn't include it, but i might as well ask about it.

he split him in (vertical) half?
i think

 

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he split him in (vertical) half?
i think

Ralph also doesn't have legs in that shot, he's only an upper body there. so it seems like he did both. he tore off their lower half and tore them in half vertically.

not sure what the LS of tearing someone horizontally in half is though.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Some parts of this need work.

Summary has grammatical issues (missing commas and stuff, small business).

LS is unfounded. It presumes a specific way of removing limbs, rather than the more likely explanation of cutting them off (which has no LS implications).

Durability section states "can withstand the energy of his own attacks" when that has never been an acceptable durability justification without significant further context (i.e., the given work of fiction paying specific mind to that). Given that removal, I'd recommend "Unknown, possibly 9-C".

Most of the Intelligence section isn't really related to intelligence. I'd recommend only Average intelligence.

Given the vague nature of the Speed rating, I think an "Unknown" rating is preferable. Her not screaming could be attributed to many things rather than a blitz.

 

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Summary has grammatical issues (missing commas and stuff, small business).

I'll fix it.

LS is unfounded. It presumes a specific way of removing limbs, rather than the more likely explanation of cutting them off (which has no LS implications).

Lorenzo has always used his hands when murdering people, to assume this one time he decided to use a tool or something to cut off the people's limbs would be an absurd assumption under his usual murder tactics. he has quotes saying he'll rip two of the children apart, so i'd assume he'd be able to back up that statement.

if that isn't sufficient, he has one other feat and that's ripping off the lower half of this guy's body, who, while that specifically was done off screen, the characters death was shown on screen in which he did with his hands.

Durability section states "can withstand the energy of his own attacks" when that has never been an acceptable durability justification without significant further context (i.e., the given work of fiction paying specific mind to that). Given that removal, I'd recommend "Unknown, possibly 9-C".

"When durability is being discussed, this is especially relevant. If a character can physically attack with a certain level of Attack Potency, showing no sign of pain from said physical attack should be cause for their Durability scaling to their Attack Potency."

He shows no pain attacking others, no reason to assume unknown durability when he literally does withstand the energy of his attacks without any pain. beyond that, he does have feats of no-selling the children hitting him to get away.

Most of the Intelligence section isn't really related to intelligence. I'd recommend only Average intelligence.

I'd argue both someone witnessing them kidnap children and the police never being able to find the bodies of the victims to charge them of their crimes would be intelligence, although i agree some of the other stuff i mentioned is not really intelligence. i'll fix it up.

Given the vague nature of the Speed rating, I think an "Unknown" rating is preferable. Her not screaming could be attributed to many things rather than a blitz.

there might be one i could replace it with, but yeah i'll fix that up aswell.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Lorenzo has always used his hands when murdering people, to assume this one time he decided to use a tool or something to cut off the people's limbs would be an absurd assumption under his usual murder tactics. he has quotes saying he'll rip two of the children apart, so i'd assume he'd be able to back up that statement.

if that isn't sufficient, he has one other feat and that's ripping off the lower half of this guy's body, who, while that specifically was done off screen, the characters death was shown on screen which he did with his hands.

He literally has claws on his outfit and cuts people with them. He is seen doing this in the videos you provide. I didn't make a claim he was doing it with some external tool: I think he cut them with his hands. The provided video was already looked at, the kid is in pieces but it isn't explicitly by tearing him in two (in fact, he's mostly in-tact until dropped).

"When durability is being discussed, this is especially relevant. If a character can physically attack with a certain level of Attack Potency, showing no sign of pain from said physical attack should be cause for their Durability scaling to their Attack Potency."

He shows no pain attacking others, no reason to assume unknown durability when he literally does withstand the energy of his attacks without any pain. beyond that, he does have feats of no-selling the children hitting him to get away.

Yeah but they're children.

As for the other thing, I note again that it is my impression that most of his attacks is via claws, although if there's something about him punching in a child's head or something then that's another matter. This is all piercing damage with a secondary weapon, it isn't the same situation as what is described on the Durability page.

 

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He literally has claws on his outfit and cuts people with them. He is seen doing this in the videos you provide. I didn't make a claim he was doing it with some external tool: I think he cut them with his hands. The provided video was already looked at, the kid is in pieces but it isn't explicitly by tearing him in two (in fact, he's mostly in-tact until dropped).

Thats my mb, read your thing wrong ig. and the kid isn't really intact by any means before being dropped. he's literally missing the entirety of his lower half, since he was dismembered off screen i suppose it'd iffy on if it's really usable for him.

Yeah but they're children.

As for the other thing, I note again that it is my impression that most of his attacks is via claws, although if there's something about him punching in a child's head or something then that's another matter. This is all piercing damage with a secondary weapon, it isn't the same situation as what is described on the Durability page.

Even if we assume he did all that through his claws (which i personally disagree with), i suppose he could also scale to his wife, who does not use any natural weaponry to murder people. ig we could also apply that to his LS too, since she's able to pull open that sliding metal door.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

If not his claws, then what? Does he actively punch or something? Ditto for his wife, the timestamps provided don't show anything except for after-the-fact shots, and people being cut up by claws.

I don't mind the metal sliding door being used, although we need a specific value to that.

 

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If not his claws, then what? Does he actively punch or something? Ditto for his wife, the timestamps provided don't show anything except for after-the-fact shots, and people being cut up by claws.

I'd assume he'd just use his hands in general, and assumed him using his claws was a creative drawback due to walten files mostly animating the entire arms for characters instead of the specific segment of the arms when doing larger movements like killing someone. (although recently this is slowly becoming untrue, so we might get to see some of the characters clock someone in the nose at some point)

for his wife, the only bodily weaponry she has is the horns (I think they’re horns??) on her head, which she does not use in murders shown in drawings by the creator below, so you kinda have to assume she's killing through pure AP since she doesn't have any other method besides socking little jimmy in the face.

(look at these cuties! child murder is a good pass time to do with your significant other!)

I don't mind the metal sliding door being used, although we need a specific value to that.

I'd calc it myself, but im not smart enough for that crap lmao.

Edit: I have updated the blog post of his page with some of the things discussed here, although not everything is applied.

 

[ActuallySpaceMan42]

For future reference, you need to make a list of all the changes and additions you making to the profile. Don't know the verse, but the abilities seem mostly fine.

 

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For future reference, you need to make a list of all the changes and additions you making to the profile. Don't know the verse, but the abilities seem mostly fine.

Oh alright, my bad.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I literally cannot discern what is happening in that image lol

I'll accept 9-C durability, then. I remain on the fence about it but I reckon it's a smaller point.

 

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I literally cannot discern what is happening in that image lol

They're kissing while murdering children as most couples do on their weekends. do you not murder children with your significant other, Mr. Bambu?

with the Durability stuff cleared up, is there any of tiering stuff that needs to be fixed, or is it fine as it is now? i'm likely going to make Mrs. Waterman's page so i can link it on Lorenzo's page to stop any confusion with his scaling and stuff.

 

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bump. i believe i have fully updated the blog post with the stuff discussed here.

 

[VIZION99]

Pumpkin Rabbit should also have body control since while chasing Jay in the cabinet, he is moving his neck in an unnatural position.

 

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Pumpkin Rabbit should also have body control since while chasing Jay in the cabinet, he is moving his neck in an unnatural position.

Right ability, wrong reasons.

he isn't moving his neck in too much of a weird way, not enough to where it's notable enough to list it as body control, however the very fact he can fit his entire body within cabinets at his height is some minor body control. only minor cuz for one he still needs to break essentially everything within the cabinet to move around in any capacity.

Edit: you could argue he wouldn't need body control to fit his body in at all, due to the length of the cabinet itself, so i'll leave him without it for now.

 

[VIZION99]

Right ability, wrong reasons.

he isn't moving his neck in too much of a weird way, not enough to where it's notable enough to list it as body control, however the very fact he can fit his entire body within cabinets at his height is some minor body control. only minor cuz for one he still needs to break essentially everything within the cabinet to move around in any capacity.

Edit: you could argue he wouldn't need body control to fit his body in at all, due to the length of the cabinet itself, so i'll leave him without it for now.

What about telekinesis? He is shown moving Paco's corpse without touching it.

 

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What about telekinesis? He is shown moving Paco's corpse without touching it.

This one is a bit more explainable. Lorenzo likely wasn't behind Dino the entire time. he likely entered, held the corpse up, and once the body dropped, is when he raced behind Dino using the darkness+the shock of Paco's corpse to be unnoticed.

Rachel did the exact same thing when killing Paco, so it's not like this is the first time this has happened. both the watermans can just vanish when entering darkness and get around using it without being noticed.

Lorenzo and Rachel are largely non-supernatural for the most part when it comes to hax, and largely use fear, shock, and stealth to pull off strange things like this.

 

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bump.

 

[Comiphorous]

bump.

do i have a clear to apply the changes here, or is there anything bambu or spaceman disagree with still?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I note you've made the door opening feat Superhuman, I really don't think that's substantiated, either. Reckon it likely falls within athletic human/peak human. Without a calc, "At least Athletic Human" should suffice.

 

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I note you've made the door opening feat Superhuman, I really don't think that's substantiated, either. Reckon it likely falls within athletic human/peak human. Without a calc, "At least Athletic Human" should suffice.

alright, i left it as the rating i had it before because i wasn't sure about it. changed

 

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Bump.

 

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Bump. reminded myself of this thread when i saw the pumpkin rabbit page was edited and had stuff added without a crt again.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

What are you bumping for? Outside of clarification from Spaceman, the abilities can be changed (those I have approved, as Spaceman has applied a broad and vague "seems fine"). Stat stuff needs another approval, but to get that you'll probably need to get someone new.

 

[El_rapero_de_tf2]

hewwo :3

 

[El_rapero_de_tf2]

quick summary of the stats they can acquire with the calc:

1. Justified 9-C to 9-B AP [5.321 to 24.505 KiloJoules]
2. Superhuman speed [15.81 m/s]