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The God Of High School - low tiers AP/durability upgrade (I swear I'm not crazy)

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This thread will be mainly centered around scaling part 3 Mori Jin and characters who scale to him.

Mori Jin upgrades​

By the end of Moris fight with Ardun, Mori depowers back to base but still manages to KO Ardun with a triple kick. This is later even shown to crack his face, and we see that Mori was surprised Ardun even survived it. This is actually consistent with Mori fighting and defeating Sujin who could also fight against characters like Ardun and a nerfed king Uma.

Arduns durability scales to baseline planet level, and it took 3 kicks to achieve this result. As such base Mori should scale to at least 1/3 of Arduns durability, that being 8.29e+31J, or low 5-B (small planet level).
The new rating for Mori would therefore be
At least Small City level (Stronger than Daewi Han and Mira Yoo, the latter of whom split a mountain and some clouds. Mira implied he wouldn't need to use it to beat the opponent she was fighting,[64] putting him above her 2x amped state[Note 13]), City level with Jeahbongchim Acupuncture (Can multiply his power by at least 8x[Note 14]), Up to Small Planet Level with accelerated development (Damaged Ardun with a triple kick)
Also since I'm already here, the justification for Mori scaling to 2x amped Mira is iffy at best. The scene seems to more so imply Mori wouldn't need to harm himself with the jeabongchim if she was strong enough to help him, rather than her saying Mori is at least 2x stronger than her. The rating will remain small city level but the value will be 2x lower.

Mori Hui upgrades​

Mori Hui is stated to be anywhere between 5-60% as strong as original Mori Jin, with him being able to achieve Moris full power for short periods of time. 5% of base Mori would be 4.145e+30J, or low 5-B so the rating doesn't change, just the value.
Therefore Mori Huis new ratings should be
At least Small Planet Level (Is at least 5% strong as base form Mori Jin), higher with Monkey King mode or Jeabongchim acupuncture, up to Planet level (can use Mori Jins full power for 4-5 minutes), higher with Monkey King mode or Jeabongchim acupuncture

Daewi and Mira upgrades​

Daewi and Mira start the GoH tournament off far weaker than Mori Hui with neither of them being able to damage the armorsuit of the monkey clone. This clones suit is capable of taking hits from base form Hui and even damaging him.
But, by the end of the first round they are capable of matching and defeating Team Japan who's members were capable of both matching/damaging the clone, as well as tanking hits and posing a threat to an 8x amped Mori Hui. This would scale them to 8x base Mori Hui, or 3.316e+31J or still low 5-B. Their new ratings would say
At least Small City level (Should be stronger than before), up to Small Planet Level with Accelerated Development (Defeated Kyoichi who could take hits from Jeabongchim x8 Mori Hui), higher with Bongseon, Wolgwang Swordsmanship, and Yeopo Bongseon
For Mira, and
At least Small City level (Stronger than before. Physically stronger than Mira Yoo), up to Small Planet Level with Accelerated Development (Defeated Sugihara who could take hits from an 8x Jeabongchim Mori Hui), higher with Kyokushin Karate and Haetae
For Daewi

Also shoutout to @SeijiSetto for noticing the 5-B scaling since I would have probably went with 6-A scaling to incomplete MK Mori instead otherwise.

Agrees(very cool): Yeolban, M2u12, Success0906
Disagrees(really stinky):
 
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This thread will be mainly centered around scaling part 3 Mori Jin and characters who scale to him.

Mori Jin upgrades​

By the end of Moris fight with Ardun, Mori depowers back to base but still manages to KO Ardun with a triple kick. This is later even shown to crack his face, and we see that Mori was surprised Ardun even survived it. This is actually consistent with Mori fighting and defeating Sujin who could also fight against characters like Ardun and a nerfed king Uma.

Arduns durability scales to baseline planet level, and it took 3 kicks to achieve this result. As such base Mori should scale to at least 1/3 of Arduns durability, that being 8.29e+31J, or low 5-B (small planet level).
i disagree with dividing it, triple kick is just 3 extremely fast kicks so even if he downscales because triple kick is a martial arts move and above his regular AP, if he scales it'd just be directly to baseline 5-B.
Also since I'm already here, the justification for Mori scaling to 2x amped Mira is iffy at best. The scene seems to more so imply Mori wouldn't need to harm himself with the jeabongchim if she was strong enough to help him, rather than her saying Mori is at least 2x stronger than her. The rating will remain small city level but the value will be 2x lower.
this is also fine. mori is a tank and he was going x8 earlier with nowhere near as much drawback as she got from even just 2x so i agree with this interpretation personally.
Mori Hui upgrades
Mori Hui is stated to be anywhere between 5-60% as strong as original Mori Jin, with him being able to achieve Moris full power for short periods of time. 5% of base Mori would be 4.145e+30J, or low 5-B so the rating doesn't change, just the value.
Therefore Mori Huis new ratings should be
this is fine too i think, we accept percentages like this as linear by default unless contradicted, though since i disagreed with dividing 5-B by 3 earlier i would consider this to just be 5% of baseline 5-B, 1.2435e31 J or 2.972 Zettatons.
Daewi and Mira start the GoH tournament off far weaker than Mori Hui with neither of them being able to damage the armorsuit of the monkey clone. This clones suit is capable of taking hits from base form Hui and even damaging him.
But, by the end of the first round they are capable of matching and defeating Team Japan who's members were capable of both matching/damaging the clone, as well as tanking hits and posing a threat to an 8x amped Mori Hui. This would scale them to 8x base Mori Hui, or 3.316e+31J or still low 5-B. Their new ratings would say
scaling-wise i agree, but same thing as before. i think it would be 8x that value up above, or 23.78 Zettatons.
 
i disagree with dividing it, triple kick is just 3 extremely fast kicks so even if he downscales because triple kick is a martial arts move and above his regular AP, if he scales it'd just be directly to baseline 5-B.
Well I was just playing it safe. Afterall Mori did kick him in the head 3x and the damage didn't seem so great that a single kick would be enough.
Although I'm not against the idea of just directly scaling him to the full value.
this is fine too i think, we accept percentages like this as linear by default unless contradicted, though since i disagreed with dividing 5-B by 3 earlier i would consider this to just be 5% of baseline 5-B, 1.2435e31 J or 2.972 Zettatons.
Scaling-wise i agree, but same thing as before. i think it would be 8x that value up above, or 23.78 Zettatons.
Yeah. Basically if we go with the full value for base Mori all the values I mentioned just go up by 3x
 
By the end of Moris fight with Ardun, Mori depowers back to base but still manages to KO Ardun with a triple kick. This is later even shown to crack his face, and we see that Mori was surprised Ardun even survived it. This is actually consistent with Mori fighting and defeating Sujin who could also fight against characters like Ardun and a nerfed king Uma.

Arduns durability scales to baseline planet level, and it took 3 kicks to achieve this result. As such base Mori should scale to at least 1/3 of Arduns durability, that being 8.29e+31J, or low 5-B (small planet level).
I don't think that Base Mori scale to Ardun at all because of the nature of that move, it is a durability negation technique that can be nullified even after the first hit
https://www.webtoons.com/en/action/the-god-of-high-school/ep-30/viewer?title_no=66&episode_no=30
About the crack on his face, he had it since
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After that, Monkey King mode Mori keep hitting and cracking his head again and again with Yeui (cumulative damage)
Even his Crown was cracked
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At this point, you can't Scale Ardun durability to to anything, he was even one-shotted after
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I don't think that Base Mori scale to Ardun at all because of the nature of that move, it is a durability negation technique that can be nullified even after the first hit
https://www.webtoons.com/en/action/the-god-of-high-school/ep-30/viewer?title_no=66&episode_no=30
The chapter you sent literally states that the triple kick makes you suffer 2-3x the damage of a normal kick

It also attacks "vital points" but that isn't durability negation. Your own scans prove it's just 3x the damage which actually proves my original idea of Mori scaling to 1/3 of Arduns durability.
About the crack on his face, he had it since
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We specially see Arduns face get a 2 additional cracks after the triple kick in the scans I sent
After that, Monkey King mode Mori keep hitting and cracking his head again and again with Yeui (cumulative damage)
Even his Crown was cracked
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Ardun is so durable because he's made of Barbadium.

His crown (which his much more fragile brothers also have) being broken has no connection to his durability as far as we know.
At this point, you can't Scale Ardun durability to to anything, he was even one-shotted after
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That's because Ardun starts turning himself and Mori into stone. Which yk, means a portion of his body is no longer made of Barbadium…

We also have no evidence his body gets completely destroyed by this kick + this is after Mori already damaged him so much he thought it'll kill him ++ this is Sujin who directly scales to Mori and Ardun.
 
triple kick makes you suffer 2-3x the damage of a normal kick
That's only for the first and second kick, we don't know the multiplier of the 3rd kick. And what make it that powerfull is the shockwave that resonate within the brain(internal attack).
The fact that Ardun is made of stone is a strength but also a weakness that Mori exploited

We specially see Arduns face get a 2 additional cracks after the triple kick in the scans I sent
No, we can't because the drawing is inconsistant for starter, and the fact than his face keep getting cracked overtime even just by moving
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No one is hiting him but he keep cracking

Like is said after that point not only Ardun durability but also his speed was reduced to that base Mori
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That's only for the first and second kick, we don't know the multiplier of the 3rd kick.
There is no multiplier. The 2nd kick is only a multiplier because you get hit by both the force of the rebound from the first kick and the second kick at once. It's basically like running into the kick.
The 3rd kick hits the back of the head. Meaning not only is there no rebound after the 2nd kick, the rebound wouldn't even be in the direction for the 3rd kick.
And what make it that powerfull is the shockwave that resonate within the brain(internal attack).
Your own scan says that what makes it dangerous is the triple damage, idk why are you arguing about something we know isn't true.
The fact that Ardun is made of stone is a strength but also a weakness that Mori exploited
No 💀
No, we can't because the drawing is inconsistant for starter,
Idc because I'm basing this off of the cracking sounds, not the drawing.
and the fact than his face keep getting cracked overtime even just by moving
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No one is hiting him but he keep cracking
Yes because he just got hit in the face by 3 kicks lmao.
Like is said after that point not only Ardun durability but also his speed was reduced to that base Mori
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You literally have 0 evidence for ANYTHING here. Arduns durability is high due to him being made up of Barbadium, him being damaged or weakened or whatever doesn't change the literal material of his body.

We don't have any evidence for his speed, durability or power decreasing, and even if his speed did decrease that could just be because he literally has pieces of Yeoui on and in his body. With Yeoui weighting like gajillion tons
 
The best argument against this scaling would be that since his face already had cracks in it, it might not have his full durability (similarly to how a cracked shield wouldn't tank as much damage as a non cracked shield). The only issue with that is that Arduns durability greatly upscales from his AP, where 5-B Mori couldn't even scratch him at first, and it would require a HUGE nerf to make Mori not scale.

In which case Mori would still scale to Sujin who is at least 6-A in base. Meaning that worst case scenario we would scale them like this
At least [5% of Sujins 6-A value], likely up to [1.66% of Arduns 5-B value]
 
The 3rd kick hits the back of the head. Meaning not only is there no rebound after the 2nd kick, the rebound wouldn't even be in the direction for the 3rd kick.
What are you talking about when you said there is no multiplier ? 1 + 1 = 2, not 3
The 3rd kick being on the back doesn't mean there is no rebound. Whenever someone hit you on the front back or sides of the head there is always a rebound, the 3rd kick is not just for the style.

Yes, unlike a human body, you can easily destroy a rock once you have made a crack
It was already over at that point for Ardun, MK Mori just wanted to make him stop the whales
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Idc because I'm basing this off of the cracking sounds not the drawing.
No, you are not basing anything on sound 😶
This is later even shown to crack his face
We specially see Arduns face get a 2 additional cracks
You literally have 0 evidence for ANYTHING here. Arduns durability is high due to him being made up of Barbadium, him being damaged or weakened or whatever doesn't change the literal material of his body
Lol, you don't scales a broken bone to a healthy bone.
We don't have any evidence for his speed, durability or power decreasing, and even if his speed did decrease that could just be because he literally has pieces of Yeoui on and in his body. With Yeoui weighting like gajillion tons
So, it's fine when his whole body cracked with Yeui and having "literally has pieces of Yeoui on and in his body. With Yeoui weighting like gajillion tons" when it come to his durabity but not his speed ?
Also, the Yeuis used but Mori aren't even the true Yeui but copies that boesn't even scale to the original.
About Ardun Lifting Strength 😶
At least Class Z (Physically stronger than Mori Jin; the latter even noting later on that he's stronger than Uriel, who was physically the strongest of the Ragnarok Gods)
It is not some tini littles pieces of a fake Yeui that will slow him down
In which case Mori would still scale to Sujin who is at least 6-A in base. Meaning that worst case scenario we would scale them like this
It's Sujin who scales to Incomplete Monkey King Mori who is 6-A.
 
What are you talking about when you said there is no multiplier ? 1 + 1 = 2, not 3
I said there is no multiplier in regards to the 3rd kick.
we don't know the multiplier for the 3rd kick
there is no multiplier
The 3rd kick being on the back doesn't mean there is no rebound. Whenever someone hit you on the front back or sides of the head there is always a rebound, the 3rd kick is not just for the style.
Literally just read the scans you sent…? The reason for a 2-3 times damage multiplier for the first 2 kicks is that the first kick blasts the opponent in one direction and then the second hits from the opposite direction. Meaning they get hit by the force of both kicks combined with the force of the rebound.
The 3rd kick doesn't come from the direction of the rebound like the 2nd kick (there actually shouldn't be any since the target already got hit with it on the second kick). It comes from a completely different direction.
The kick is not "just for style" it's literally a KICK TO THE HEAD lmao. If it had any special multiplier like the second kick it would have been stated but the multiplier logic doesn't even work here because of the direction the kick comes from.
Yes, unlike a human body, you can easily destroy a rock once you have made a crack
Barbadium is a metal, not a rock.
No, you are not basing anything on sound 😶
This is later even shown to crack his face
We specially see Arduns face get a 2 additional cracks
Yes I literally am? Yes it's SHOWN to crack his face and we SEE the face get additional cracked because THE SOUND EFFECT IS WRITTEN. We don't HEAR it, we SEE the sound effects because this is a WRITTEN media 💀 💀 💀 💀
Lol, you don't scales a broken bone to a healthy bone.
Arduns damage was on his lower body. Moris triple kick hit him in the head. Nobody is scaling a broken bone to a healthy bone.
So, it's fine when his whole body cracked with Yeui and having "literally has pieces of Yeoui on and in his body. With Yeoui weighting like gajillion tons" when it come to his durabity but not his speed ?
That's the exact opposite of what I said. Being damaged and weighted down by heavy rocks will obviously slow down a person due to, pain and the fact he has to move a lot more mass but there's no reason for that to affect his durability.

Take it like this, if I gave you a backpack full of bricks you'd obviously move slower but you wouldn't magically become less durable.
Also, the Yeuis used but Mori aren't even the true Yeui but copies that boesn't even scale to the original.
Which are still shown to be extremely heavy…? Wtf is this point? 😭
About Ardun Lifting Strength 😶
At least Class Z (Physically stronger than Mori Jin; the latter even noting later on that he's stronger than Uriel, who was physically the strongest of the Ragnarok Gods)
It is not some tini littles pieces of a fake Yeui that will slow him down
There's literally a giant chunk of Yeoui sticking out of him, it's not a "little piece". And there's a difference between holding a brick and having your body full of bricks.
It's Sujin who scales to Incomplete Monkey King Mori who is 6-A.
That's kinda what I said?
Incomplete MK Mori ~< Sujin ~ base end of part 3 Mori
 

The reason why we scale Base Sujin Lee to High 6-A and MFTL+ in base is because she fought an Incomplete Monkey King Mori, right ?
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Then, the next the same Base Sujin Lee also fought Base Mori at the end of his Incomplete Monkey King Mode Mori, that would make Base Mori = Incomplete Monkey King Mode Mori = Base Sujin Lee
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Why do we assume that Incomplete Monkey King Mode Mori did his best against Base Sujin Lee to begin with ?
Scaling Base Sujin Lee to Incomplete Monkey King Mode Mori is nonsense for me, the same IMKM Mori treated them like fodders and left
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Even at the end of of the arc we even had the greatest debunk in history with
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Okay since you didn't address any of my Mori ~ Ardun arguments I'll just assume you gave up against those. Anyway
The reason why we scale Base Sujin Lee to High 6-A and MFTL+ in base is because she fought an Incomplete Monkey King Mori, right ?
Yes.
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Then, the next the same Base Sujin Lee also fought Base Mori at the end of his Incomplete Monkey King Mode Mori, that would make Base Mori = Incomplete Monkey King Mode Mori = Base Sujin Lee
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Why do we assume that Incomplete Monkey King Mode Mori did his best against Base Sujin Lee to begin with ?
Why wouldn't we? There is no indication of Mori holding back and no logical reason to assume so. Him trying his best is the most logical assumption given that it's the safest and easiest way to achieve the results he wants while holding back literally just makes it harder and endangers both him and his friends.
Especially here where Mori was on a strict time limit.
Scaling Base Sujin Lee to Incomplete Monkey King Mode Mori is nonsense for me, the same IMKM Mori treated them like fodders and left
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How did he treat her like fodder here? Sujin reacted to his cloud attack and took 0 damage. If anything that further hammers in her relativity to Mori.
Even at the end of of the arc we even had the greatest debunk in history with
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How is this a debunk of anything? Sujin almost blitzed Mori with a speed boost technique and Mori STILL avoided it and beat her.
 
Okay since you didn't address any of my Mori ~ Ardun arguments I'll just assume you gave up against those. Anyway
No, i am just starting from the start of the scaling chain.
Why wouldn't we? There is no indication of Mori holding back and no logical reason to assume so. Him trying his best is the most logical assumption given that it's the safest and easiest way to achieve the results he wants while holding back literally just makes it harder and endangers both him and his friends.
Especially here where Mori was on a strict time limit.
Let's say IMKM Mori wasn't holding back against base Sujin Lee like you said, then why didn't she speedblitz and one-shot base Mori a second latter ?
How is this a debunk of anything? Sujin almost blitzed Mori with a speed boost technique
Yes, it debunk the scaling chain at his core.
You believe that Base Sujin Lee scale to IMKM Mori who is MFTL+ and High 6-A , you also believe that base end of Oraeguk Mori scale to Ardun who is MFTL+++.
But then Base Sujin Lee uses her fastest kick which is only supersonic speed and speedblitzed Base Mori and his Original.
 
Let's say IMKM Mori wasn't holding back against base Sujin Lee like you said, then why didn't she speedblitz and one-shot base Mori a second latter?
Because Sujin wasn't going all out. Unlike Mori who attacked her in his strongest form, Sujin was literally in her base form and wanted to have a fair fight with him.

Sujin literally uses up her power later on to save Mori from Oraeguks explosion so they can have a proper fight.

I also don’t care about your issues with already accepted scaling. That's not what this thread is about and if you don't like it make a separate downgrade thread. This thread is about upgrading base Mori and people who scale to him.
Yes, it debunk the scaling chain at his core.
You believe that Base Sujin Lee scale to IMKM Mori who is MFTL+ and High 6-A , you also believe that base end of Oraeguk Mori scale to Ardun who is MFTL+++.
But then Base Sujin Lee uses her fastest kick which is only supersonic speed and speedblitzed Base Mori and his Original.
That has got to be the worst argument ever. That's literally just a name. But that logic we're upgrading world comp Mira to galaxy level.
 
The name of the technique is Supersonic Speed lil bro, it's not a description of the technique's speed.
No lil bro here, the attack is Supersonic speed.
Here is is a supportive evidence, Sujin is literally trying to prove that her Taekwondo is the best.
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Please don't tell me you're unironically arguing Supersonic GoH because some skills had the word sonic in them.
 
Your humor doesn't work with me,
Okay mister fun police, in that case that's a nominal fallacy. The idea that just naming something also explains that thing is inherently fallacious.
I would also like to see you prove why "Galaxy Split" and "Big Bang" don't scale to their respective names if "Supersonic speed" does.

I would also like to point out that the term "Supersonic" simply by definition means "involving or denoting a speed greater than that of sound". Meaning MFTL+ characters are actually supersonic.
Sujin Lee's Kick and Taejin's kick are respectively Supersonic and Sonic and the drawing supports that with sonic cones
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These are also 2 different techniques from different martial arts that work completely differently. Sujin uses her kick to boost her movement speed meanwhile Taejin literally just punches.

Any connection between the 2 is completely made up and illogical.
 
I am only talking about facts, the name of the moves are describling what it does in those 2 cases i don't wank things like some here.
This is a nominal fallacy. The naming of a technique typically will not describe the exact function of the technique in Martial Arts. Sujin herself literally has a technique named "Kicking Meteors", but this is evidently not the literal meaning of the technique. Authors just like cool names for their cool martial arts techniques.
 
I am only talking about facts, the name of the moves are describling what it does in those 2 cases i don't wank things like some here.

We even have things like that Massively FTL+ (Reacted to Yeoui expanding) for Jegal https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/Jegal_Taek even tho it's wrong
MFTL+ Jegal is wrong but that has nothing to do with this. I'll get to fixing low tiers one day but I'm kinda stuck on someone clogging my thread arguing over supersonic Bishops 💀
 
This is a nominal fallacy. The naming of a technique typically will not describe the exact function of the technique in Martial Arts. Sujin herself literally has a technique named "Kicking Meteors", but this is evidently not the literal meaning of the technique. Authors just like cool names for their cool martial arts techniques.
Here is not a case of "nominal fallacy", the drowing also supportis it, we see 1 sonic cone with Taejin and 3 sonic cones with Sujin, it's not only for the show
 
Should I just open a part 2 of this thread? This went in such a goofy direction that I don't think a staff member will actually go through it 😭
 
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