Gojo vs Star and Stripe

[Maverick_Zero_X]

If by some miracle this isn’t a stomp I’ll move this to the normal Versus Thread forum

Cathleen Bate vs Satoru Gojo

Speed unequalized

Cathleen has prior knowledge (of Gojo’s full name, how his abilities and techniques work, and the existence and properties of Cursed Energy)

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Bitch aint touching Gojo
If she remove the air, he will just teleport away
If Gojo open the domain, its over

Star also cant touch cursed energy otherwise she will die due to the sickness that curse manipulation brings to non sorcerers. Beside the fact that she also cant see cursed energy

My first comment here and probably the last

 

[CBslayeR]

last

 

[Maitreya12]

According to Shigaraki, there’s apparently no limit to how much weaker S&S can make something, but there is a limit to how much stronger she can make something, like herself or her air constructs for example.

Maybe if she says “space” she can interact with things that way. Like taking the whole of space away or something like that.

 

[Kingur_RG3]

-Gojo doesn't have the power to hurt him
-From what the domains imply, it does not affect non-magical characters since they do not know where to aim.
-and since the speed is not equal, there is no way to reach star either.

My scenario is Gojo tries to use his domain as he is unable to do physical damage, it does not affect Star and then Star defeats Gojo, not being able to use his technique for a little while and although he can cure her, I doubt that he expects it or maybe he does. regenerate which makes the thing start again

I would go more for star

 

[Maitreya12]

From what the domains imply, it does not affect non-magical characters since they do not know where to aim.

Verses are basically equalized in vs matches in that domain expansions are allowed to work on opponents the same way genjutsu for example is allowed to work on characters outside their verse.

 

[Kingur_RG3]

Verses are basically equalized in vs matches in that domain expansions are allowed to work on opponents the same way genjutsu for example is allowed to work on characters outside their verse.

Yes, that's the main idea of this but in jujutsu they are very specific with this but chakra, ki, nen, are basically life energy similar to when they say that all verses have a soul until otherwise stated.
but the cursed energy the magical power according to the translations, literally sorcery and not vital energy, if it were not the case of the maki where they expressly say that the accurate blow does not affect an agent without cursed energy, well yes, but this is a weakness of the ability and not like the genjutsu that are never mentioned that do not affect people without chakra.

There are clear exceptions to these things, such as not awakening another's nen at the same time.
Eraser can't cancel cursed energy that I know of, but an x-men type mutation can.

 

[Spinoirr]

Verses are basically equalized in vs matches in that domain expansions are allowed to work on opponents the same way genjutsu for example is allowed to work on characters outside their verse.

All that means is cursed energy = supernatural energy

She has none, she has biological powers

 

[Kingur_RG3]

es, the principle is everyone affects everyone but not everyone is affected equally.

The idea is to find out how some things would affect others.

For example, they explained that the domains see Maki as a building, which could mean that Sukuna's domain does affect her by cutting everything, but Gojo's does not, as it is an accurate blow guided by cursed energy.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

Domains cant identify things that lack cursed energy
Thats true, yeah
But Gojo's domain, along side Sukuna's, is the kind of domain that this doesnt matter. Anything that enters the domain is gonna get folded by a unlimited amount of information except Gojo. He can put Star in the domain yes if he want to since star doesnt know how it works

Beside, he has six eyes. If Unlimited Void dont work due to Star's lack of cursed energy, he will know way before anything since he will realize her lack of cursed energy, and thus would go with Hollow, which for time being is accepted as EE and void hax. Even if the speed gap is big, It doesnt matter much since she wouldnt be capable to sense nor see Hollow, beside the fact that I doubt that Star's travel speed is that big

Also, she lacks a innate domain, so Gojo could spawn a Blue inside her, creating a bug in the world where the existence tries to fix it by putting amount of matter in the place

 

[Kingur_RG3]

Domains cant identify things that lack cursed energy
Thats true, yeah
But Gojo's domain, along side Sukuna's, is the kind of domain that this doesnt matter. Anything that enters the domain is gonna get folded by a unlimited amount of information except Gojo. He can put Star in the domain yes if he want to since star doesnt know how it works

Beside, he has six eyes. If Unlimited Void dont work due to Star's lack of cursed energy, he will know way before anything since he will realize her lack of cursed energy, and thus would go with Hollow, which for time being is accepted as EE and void hax. Even if the speed gap is big, It doesnt matter much since she wouldnt be capable to sense nor see Hollow, beside the fact that I doubt that Star's travel speed is that big

Also, she lacks a innate domain, so Gojo could spawn a Blue inside her, creating a bug in the world where the existence tries to fix it by putting amount of matter in the place

At no point is it indicated that Satoru's domain is like this,
They explain that it is not a simple technique like sukuna cuts but its accurate hit can still be nullified with another domain so like others it depends on the accurate hit, it depends on the accurate hit like others.
-Regarding the purple one, it does not seem to have the necessary power together with the preparation that it seems to require. It should have nullified durability but Sukuna survived one in the face and another stopped him with his hands.
- and finally, yes, Satoru may know that he does not have cursed energy but nothing tells us that he knows that the domain will not affect him.

ignoring several extra things about Star such as his range with the fist from heaven to earth and greater physical and reaction speed.
hax matches with disparate levels are always complicated

 

[SuperStar]

Star has no way of hurting Gojo her only shot is erasing the air but he can just teleport away.

 

[Kingur_RG3]

Star has no way of hurting Gojo her only shot is erasing the air but he can just teleport away.

Yes, but Gojo does not have good ways to harm Star and his use of domain expansion Star crushes him while his brain cools down, and knowing how Gojo is, for him to use it would not be something strange.

The other option is Star spamming her atmospheric void or Gojo preparing purple ones, and although Star cannot see the attack she can see the trail of destruction it leaves until it reaches her, which is quite clear.

 

[WHYNAUT]

Cursed Energy stems from negative emotions. Even normal people with no powers whatsoever have it. Pretty sure Stripes would have it with verse equalization.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

At no point is it indicated that Satoru's domain is like this

Yes, it was. Gojo's cant-miss aspect isnt selected but passive, thats why I said that wouldnt matter if she lacks cursed energy

Regarding the purple one, it does not seem to have the necessary power together with the preparation that it seems to require. It should have nullified durability but Sukuna survived one in the face and another stopped him with his hands.

Sukuna is Sukuna, Star is Star. And as said, for the time being, its EE. So lets not waste time with this

and finally, yes, Satoru may know that he does not have cursed energy but nothing tells us that he knows that the domain will not affect him.

Satoru is a genius and knows basically everything in the Jujutsu world, and have faced someone who lacks completly cursed energy, so if he fight someone without CE ever again, he would be prepared and know what to do.

And again, she lacks a innate domain, and thus Gojo can just spawn a Blue inside her, killing her instantaly without a problem

Cursed Energy stems from negative emotions. Even normal people with no powers whatsoever have it. Pretty sure Stripes would have it with verse equalization.

Yeah, beside the fact that lacking cursed energy in JJK is the same as Aca Type 4 with some extras, so I would say that equalization would be fine

 

[Duedate8898]

Gojo just outlast Star in this instance, she's far faster than him so he can't really reliable touch her or even trap her in his domain, but she has straight up no way to touch Gojo to utilize her knowledge in capacity to hurt him and besides that she's got nothing that would hurt him since even creating vacuums is something Gojo should be able to survive long enough to exit.

Eventually Star gets tired and Gojo wraps it up from there with a Domain Expansion or Hollow Purple.

 

[Kingur_RG3]

That would be assuming that a verse that has never been shown to have magic does, in bnha there are no cursed spirits or anything like that.

It would be assuming that everyone has chacka, ki or nen which are simply vital energy.
jujutsu hehcraft is very specific

 

[WHYNAUT]

That would be assuming that a verse that has never been shown to have magic does, in bnha there are no cursed spirits or anything like that.

It would be assuming that everyone has chacka, ki or nen which are simply vital energy.
jujutsu hehcraft is very specific

No it isn't.

Cursed Energy stems from negative emotions. Even normal people with no powers whatsoever have it. Pretty sure Stripes would have it with verse equalization.

 

[Duedate8898]

Quirks do not equalize into cursed energy however so, which is why verse equalization shouldn't actually occur here.

 

[Kingur_RG3]

Yes, it was. Gojo's cant-miss aspect isnt selected but passive, thats why I said that wouldnt matter if she lacks cursed energy

Sukuna is Sukuna, Star is Star. And as said, for the time being, its EE. So lets not waste time with this

Satoru is a genius and knows basically everything in the Jujutsu world, and have faced someone who lacks completly cursed energy, so if he fight someone without CE ever again, he would be prepared and know what to do.

And again, she lacks a innate domain, and thus Gojo can just spawn a Blue inside her, killing her instantaly without a problem

Yeah, beside the fact that lacking cursed energy in JJK is the same as Aca Type 4 with some extras, so I would say that equalization would be fine

No, loading the opponent's brain with information is the power of the domain, not something that just happens, one strange thing is that it doesn't seem to do anything else since when Gojo wanted to use red he was going to use his hands, it's not a thing environmental as with jogo, it is like that of mahito or naoya that also affects anyone in it but not people without damn energy.
in fact

-Gojo is a genius but he misses things, never forget that he did not see it coming that Sukuna would destroy his domain or Megumi's soul from outside until much later and it does not seem to be a knowledge that the way the domains aim depends on the cursed energy

- star is a star with better physical stats than sukuna.

The equation is good when you don't have to give anything to the verses just let things affect, but here you have to assume that the people of bnha can produce cursed energy, which is not the soul, vital energy or a thing super but sorcery, specifically explained, mana is not given to people in vs.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

I aint debating this shit

 

[Nierre]

DE/HP FRA

Edit: Oh, it's F&G

 

[Kingur_RG3]

Gojo just outlast Star in this instance, she's far faster than him so he can't really reliable touch her or even trap her in his domain, but she has straight up no way to touch Gojo to utilize her knowledge in capacity to hurt him and besides that she's got nothing that would hurt him since even creating vacuums is something Gojo should be able to survive long enough to exit.

Eventually Star gets tired and Gojo wraps it up from there with a Domain Expansion or Hollow Purple.

-It doesn't seem like using the new order is tiring even with the 1920 meter giant.
-
What saves Gojo from the atmospheric void is his teleportation, but it's not like Star couldn't do it more times.

or that Gojo does not use his expansion in a battle of attrition

As I said, very disparate stats and very contrary hax that in themselves complicate everything, it's like fighting with someone not so strong but intangible, it's not going anywhere

 

[Duedate8898]

Gojo has statements of infinite stamina, Star does not. That's why I say he'd outlast her. And what saves Gojo from the void is both his infinity because the removal of his own air is an attack but also the fact that it doesn't kill him instantly so he has time to remove himself from the space even if it does somehow get past his barrier.

But I also see this is in F/G so that's where I'll end up here

 

[Kingur_RG3]

I will also wait,
Gojo always causes problems with his infinity and now I think jujutsu revisions continue to be made

 

[Spinoirr]

Guys remember speed isn't equal, meaning sub-relativistic vs massively hypersonic

 

[CBslayeR]

doesn't really matter due to infinity

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

At no point is it indicated that Satoru's domain is like this,

It wasn't.

Cursed Energy stems from negative emotions. Even normal people with no powers whatsoever have it. Pretty sure Stripes would have it with verse equalization.

yes, everyone with a brain have negative emotion but not necessarily produce CE. Example in a verse anyone who have a soul have an energy that's is produced by it, it won't make sense to equalize this in every verse, because there is characters without soul able to use some kind of energy like a androids(DB) and they still considered an object in some verses.
normal people=everyone except Toji and Maki, they still have negative emotions right, because NE≠CE and having a soul≠having supernatural energy.

Yeah, beside the fact that lacking cursed energy in JJK is the same as Aca Type 4 with some extras, so I would say that equalization would be fine

this is the problem people think no CE=unnatural(aca type4), CE has rules but it is not a law or fundamental thing that govern reality, then what a phone, a car, building is Aca type 4, by this logic anyone who affected a object with some kind of ability (Star and strip) will have Aca type4 and be able to deal with it in JJK.

Type 4: Irregular Causality: Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality. This grants them resistance to abilities such as Causality Manipulation, Fate Manipulation, and Precognition, among others.

they shouldn't have Acausality for being "abnormal", there is a lot of abnormal characters in different verses and they still don't get it.
ex: someone born without soul, someone born with multiple souls, someone born without any power in a world where everyone has it.

I will also wait,
Gojo always causes problems with his infinity and now I think jujutsu revisions continue to be made

the whole verse is mess.

anyway, I'm inco for now.

 

[TheGreatJedi13]

Gojo's stamina would allow him to outlast yes as he is in a perpetual cycle where he recovers her stamina etc and that only time he actually suffered from stamina loss is when he has to exert far more than he should battling Sukuna but if he is just casually fighting because of the threat not being able to reach him then he would indeed outlast

 

[LordGinSama]

Star isn't tanking a Hollow Purple. Sukuna is different because he only blocked it with his hands which were both erased but he regenerated.


She can't resist having her mind ****** by infinite information overload.

It wasn't.

yes, everyone with a brain have negative emotion but not necessarily produce CE. Example in a verse anyone who have a soul have an energy that's is produced by it, it won't make sense to equalize this in every verse, because there is characters without soul able to use some kind of energy like a androids(DB) and they still considered an object in some verses..

Star and Stripe has a soul so that's irrelevant.

normal people=everyone except Toji and Maki, they still have negative emotions right, because NE≠CE and having a soul≠having supernatural energy.

DE can still effect HR users, the HR users simply can't be targeted by physical auto attacks, Gojo's DE is anything but physical.

this is the problem people think no CE=unnatural(aca type4), CE has rules but it is not a law or fundamental thing that govern reality

CE is definitely fundamental to sorcerer's.

then what a phone, a car, building is Aca type 4, by this logic anyone who affected a object with some kind of ability (Star and strip) will have Aca type4 and be able to deal with it in JJK.

False comparison and a very bad one at that.

they shouldn't have Acausality for being "abnormal", there is a lot of abnormal characters in different verses and they still don't get it.

They have it via being outside of the chains of fate which is directly stated.

ex: someone born without soul, someone born with multiple souls, someone born without any power in a world where everyone has it.

Makes no sense and isn't even applicable here since it's not like MHA characters don't have souls.

the whole verse is mess

namely only for AP and stats.


Star and Stripe has no way past infinity and can't tank Hollow Purple or IV.

 

[Kingur_RG3]

Star isn't tanking a Hollow Purple. Sukuna is different because he only blocked it with his hands which were both erased but he regenerated.


She can't resist having her mind ****** by infinite information overload.

Star and Stripe has a soul so that's irrelevant.

DE can still effect HR users, the HR users simply can't be targeted by physical auto attacks, Gojo's DE is anything but physical.

CE is definitely fundamental to sorcerer's.

False comparison and a very bad one at that.

They have it via being outside of the chains of fate which is directly stated.

Makes no sense and isn't even applicable here since it's not like MHA characters don't have souls.

namely only for AP and stats.


Star and Stripe has no way past infinity and can't tank Hollow Purple or IV.

You didn't process what you read did you?
The thing about the soul is a comparison to other verses and the fact of not being able to say that other verses have cursed energy.

And yes, I disintegrated the hands of someone with durability much lower than star and then I received one in the face and it didn't disintegrate anything.

Destiny has nothing to do with here, people without cursed energy are seen as buildings by the domains.

Star can tank, since his most powerful attack that has to be charged is city level that is if he does not see the path of destruction or tremors and only dodges it.

and if it is a disaster from speed, attack power and hax

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

Star isn't tanking a Hollow Purple. Sukuna is different because he only blocked it with his hands which were both erased but he regenerated.

try surviving an explosion by blocking it with your hand, HP erased building and you think his small hand saved him?
He was using Domain amplification to counter a technique.

She can't resist having her mind ****** by infinite information overload.

It won't even effect her.

Star and Stripe has a soul so that's irrelevant.

Toji and Maki also have souls and the domain ignore them.

DE can still effect HR users, the HR users simply can't be targeted by physical auto attacks, Gojo's DE is anything but physical.

It can't they are literally invisible to the domain, Except Sukuna's DE no one has ever affected an object or HR user with his DE.

CE is definitely fundamental to sorcerer's.

and not reality or the world.
mana is fundamental to magicians so is chakra to ninja in Naruto, so is Ki to Db characters...
wait a moment Toji and Maki aren't even sorcerers, they got CT or DE and literally fight with their hands and weapons.

False comparison and a very bad one at that.

Why?

They have it via being outside of the chains of fate which is directly stated.

was it stated by an omniscient character or someone who can the future of the world (without relying on CE), because otherwise it's just exaggeration and flowery words.

Makes no sense and isn't even applicable here since it's not like MHA characters don't have souls.

those were examples.
make more sense than giving Toji Aca4 for not having CE.

Star and Stripe has no way past infinity and can't tank Hollow Purple or IV.

not sure how her power work that's why I didn't vote.

 

[LIFE_OF_KING]

was it stated by an omniscient character or someone who can the future of the world (without relying on CE), because otherwise it's just exaggeration and flowery words.

It was by Tengen
The context is that destiny can even allow someone who have never ever been born show up and defeat Kenjaku, because destiny said so

Ngl you guys seems too unknowledge about the verse to claim so many fundamental informations with such confidence, like the domain nature

 

[Kingur_RG3]

It was by Tengen
The context is that destiny can even allow someone who have never ever been born show up and defeat Kenjaku, because destiny said so

Ngl you guys seems too unknowledge about the verse to claim so many fundamental informations with such confidence, like the domain nature

A while ago I opened a thread about my doubts when I finished reading the manga and a large part of the discussion was on toji breaking destiny, updates are being made to the profiles, are they going to post it? or in the end is he left without it?

Toji breaking destiny is something that not even those who are discussing jujutsu can agree on.
even though tengen himself said so.
but it doesn't seem like that's something to take into account here since in bnha not having cursed energy doesn't mean anything like that because it doesn't exist outside of jujutsu to begin with.

The domains are well explained and detailed, the difference between Toji and the fate of the container, the 6 eyes and Tenguen, which was only mentioned once and probably will not be mentioned again.

 

[EL_xWatcher1234x]

It was by Tengen
The context is that destiny can even allow someone who have never ever been born show up and defeat Kenjaku, because destiny said so

Ngl you guys seems too unknowledge about the verse to claim so many fundamental informations with such confidence, like the domain nature

this prove my point.
Tengen is not omniscient or able to see the future even his Destiny statement "our destinies" is limited to the six eyes and plasma vessel, and what make you think that Tengen can even see someone with HR?

I know characters who were stated by a character who can see fate, future possibilities and all possible timelines (different past,present,future) to not have any and still they still don't get Acausality.

and again resisting CE users≠ resisting the world laws.

 

[Maitreya12]

All that means is cursed energy = supernatural energy

She has none, she has biological powers

Yeah, beside the fact that lacking cursed energy in JJK is the same as Aca Type 4 with some extras, so I would say that equalization would be fine

This argument doesn’t really work when put in vs setting. Not every verse has a “soul” but soul manipulation still works in vs matches nonetheless, same with genjutsu for example when chakra isn’t presented in other verses.

Attacks are just assumed to work on each other in vs matches, and trying to strip Gojo of his domain in an outside vs match I think is not how it’s done not properly debated here.

 

[EldemadeDityjon]

Young Gojo was able to last one day with constantly keeping his CT active all time. So I believe Adult Gojo should have more Stamina thanks to his RCT. Additionally he can get back his stamina back with Black flash just like how he did with Sukuna. Landing a Blackflash is debatable

 

[Metalballrun]

Won't this basically be a stalemate, then?
Like people have brought up that most of Gojo's defense offense are unlikely to work against Star due to the stats difference, so Star won't have to expend a lot of effort either so it's unlikely that she'd be spent. Also won't be surprised if she had Final Act Deku levels of stamina, though that's an assumption of mine.

Maybe it's time we should focus to stamina-scaling in this forum.

 

[Kingur_RG3]

this prove my point.
Tengen is not omniscient or able to see the future even his Destiny statement "our destinies" is limited to the six eyes and plasma vessel, and what make you think that Tengen can even see someone with HR?

I know characters who were stated by a character who can see fate, future possibilities and all possible timelines (different past,present,future) to not have any and still they still don't get Acausality.

and again resisting CE users≠ resisting the world laws.

It's true, now that I think back on it, Touji could pass through their barriers without being detected at all.

oh how omniscient isn't he

 

[Kingur_RG3]

This argument doesn’t really work when put in vs setting. Not every verse has a “soul” but soul manipulation still works in vs matches nonetheless, same with genjutsu for example when chakra isn’t presented in other verses.

Attacks are just assumed to work on each other in vs matches, and trying to strip Gojo of his domain in an outside vs match I think is not how it’s done not properly debated here.

It is not about eliminating what a vs would be like between the 2 and ignoring such a great weakness would not be correct

The entire vs is explained, it can be assumed that they have a soul but not that they have ki nen or chakra if they are not from the verse and since they are vital energies but jujutsu is sorcery and it cannot be assumed that non-magical verses or verses without supernatural energies suddenly they have magic