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there was an older one but it's old and stinky. thus, welcome to the new one!
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The NEW Dead By Daylight Discussion Thread
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A to-do list for the verse;
- Skull Merchant profile
- Singularity profile
- Calcs (there are like five that need to be done)
- More survivor profiles? (make your main's?)
- Entity profile update
- Survivor/Killer physiology page?
- Perk page
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What do you know so far about the Entity? I haven’t played in a while
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i found like three Low 2-C statements
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Only Low 2-C? Dang, I expected 2-C by now Ngl, considering it’s making worlds, but then again it’s vague
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i think we could maaaybe get "possibly 2-C" but i haven't found much there yet
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Ye, there's a symbol on the back of his neck that seems to be the Entity's weakening seal
This also lines up with Vecna in DnD canon, who is a fair bit stronger than any Killer we've gotten so far aside from maybe Freddy and Sadako (from a narrative standpoint at least, not exactly VSBW standards)
Reminds me how I need to get the Entity back to Tier 2. I've found like four Tier 2 feats for it from Tomes and livestreams
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What are those?
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Would anyone care to calc the Survivors fragmenting a pumpkin in a single kick? Their current AP is kinda weird and doesn't have a concrete number, so I think this would be useful
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I'm making pages for the Castlevania guys
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Hunter vs Dead by daylight protagonist (grace)
Hunter Mikaela reid Rules: Speed equalized First key hunter used bloodlusted mikaela Mikaela has toolbox, firecrackers, flashlight, and pebble for optional equipment starting distance is 25ft and out of sight Battle takes place in Detroit, Michigan
Dead by daylight matchup I made please check it out thanks
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Personally, I don't agree with 1-A. I don't really agree with anything above Low 2-C or 2-C (maaaybe 2-B), but 1-A seems especially weird
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1-A is kind of a stretch but Low 1-C makes total sense, the Entity has enough qualifiers for an upgrade in dimensionality (higher reality, different time axis..) it should at least be a 5-D structure.
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I think the cosmology is 2-A, but I don't think the Entity should scale to the entire cosmology. We know it's domain contains "countless realms", which is arguably 2-B though. However here it is said that Realm only has one timestream, which implies are the realms share a timestream rather than each being their own, which is Low 2-C
Reading the blog, I am not convinced that the Entity should scale to the entire cosmology. We're shown that it typically only consumes terras one at a time if Frank Stone is anything to go by.
"This higher dimension is unfathomable and incomprehensible by the lower ones, as stated that they knew little about the world,[6] that there are things far too immense to understand[5] and that the survivors are caught in something that they will never understand.[7]"
I think these justifications fail to explain how the Entity's realm is a higher dimension (Low 1-C), just that it's more mental than physical and so its nature is hard to grasp for normal people trapped within it
I'd like to see more information showing that;
A.) The Realm contains multiple timelines OR that the Entity can affect more than one terra at a time
B.) That the Realm/Entity is higher-dimensional
Reading the blog, I am not convinced that the Entity should scale to the entire cosmology. We're shown that it typically only consumes terras one at a time if Frank Stone is anything to go by.
"This higher dimension is unfathomable and incomprehensible by the lower ones, as stated that they knew little about the world,[6] that there are things far too immense to understand[5] and that the survivors are caught in something that they will never understand.[7]"
I think these justifications fail to explain how the Entity's realm is a higher dimension (Low 1-C), just that it's more mental than physical and so its nature is hard to grasp for normal people trapped within it
I'd like to see more information showing that;
A.) The Realm contains multiple timelines OR that the Entity can affect more than one terra at a time
B.) That the Realm/Entity is higher-dimensional
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I wrote this down "multiple sources of all the worlds[1]" with Terra Worlds being infinite in number.[9]" so the Realms could go up to 2-A.
It's iffy, because he contradicted himself when he said that. First he said that every pocket has a time-continuum of its own, and that each pocket has rules (temporal) of its own. So that added, would mean that we have infinite STC's in the Realms (2-A).
We have other input from the Tomes, saying the Entity moves through the cosmos like a primordial titan, while devouring worlds, so definitely not one at a time.
These are basic requirements for dimensional superiority, the lower planes need to lack complete understanding of the higher one(s)
These were all given here.
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This scan is talking about the trialgrounds/pockets/realms within the Entity. They are built from the bottom up, and the basement is closer to the "core"/"source" of the Realm. Nothing about timestreams or any connection to the greater multiverse outside of the Entity
Entity takes things from the terras outside the realm, not the other way around
I have found some scans that say the realms are infinite in number anyway though, so 2-A realm cosmology makes sense
"It seems to contain swirls and streams of memories or imprints of beings from multiple terra worlds. It is as if The Entity absorbs all the psychic energy and thoughts of beings it snatches as it journeys through the endless cosmos." - Arcus 54
He does seem to contradict himself. First he says that the "pockets"/trialgrounds/realms have a time-continuum and that the Campfire has a different one (potentially other pockets/subrealms?) but later says that there is only one timestream and that time travel (within the realm) and the like isn't possible. I do admit that this is tricky, so I could see it being at least 2-B
Devouring worlds doesn't inherently mean eating multiple at once, it could also mean eating them one at a time, which is what we see in Frank Stone
"At least the Archives affords me a better understanding of the Entity… why it moves from universe to universe, picking victims off and devouring worlds as though at a cosmic buffet." - Tome 2
This also backs up the idea that it eats them one at a time
I'll need to look into it, but I seem to remember it being a lot more strict than that. Again, I think the main idea here is that the Realm is built on cognition and emotion, so it's hard to perceive while outside of it. Not really higher, just clouded in nature
This scan is interesting though, where is it from?
I think my preferred rating would be a complicated but accurate "At least Low 2-C, likely 2-A, possibly Low 1-C" if that scan is applicable
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Probably misunderstood then :s
Dunno why I didn't use that lol, good catch.
"Hahaha, Not Funny. A realm designed and manifested by a trouble-making imp prompted by her endless search for entertainment. The realm juxtaposes survivors and killers from manifold worlds and timelines making a parody of The Trials." Wouldn't this prove that every World/Pocket=Timeline? As multiple Survivors and Killers from each pocket lives in a different timeline. (This quote isn't talking about the Entity fyi)
"Of The Entity I know little, if anything at all. What I have witnessed and concluded through my imprisonment within its timeless living boundaries, is The Entity seems to move through the cosmos like a primordial Titan. An incomprehensible Serpent of Chaos, consuming people and worlds for reasons I cannot even begin to comprehend... and won't even try." The Entity does seem like your average Celestial, I don't see why it would only eat one world and take a break.
Well I did ask in the Q&A section since I wasn't sure, and it seems like it's sufficient. I do agree though that it can be a little complicated to fully seize.
It's from The Casting of Frank Stone, Augustine probably wrote it.
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I find it so crazy that they're literally hinting so much at R>F 
There's a quote that says: "Listened to a few memories of a deranged miner named Evan on the phonograph. In a nearby pile of discarded stories I even found comic books inspired by the very same memories. Seems to me that these comics were created by artists and authors in other worlds who somehow dreamed of this maniac and his crimes. True in one world, fiction in another, and, I suppose, vice versa. Makes me wonder if someone in another world is dreaming and writing about us."
There's a quote that says: "Listened to a few memories of a deranged miner named Evan on the phonograph. In a nearby pile of discarded stories I even found comic books inspired by the very same memories. Seems to me that these comics were created by artists and authors in other worlds who somehow dreamed of this maniac and his crimes. True in one world, fiction in another, and, I suppose, vice versa. Makes me wonder if someone in another world is dreaming and writing about us."
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Oops, that quote is supposed to be proof that it takes from other worlds, not the other way around. But the endless realm statements are;
"His perception of time has long faded. He’s not entirely sure his rational mind hasn’t followed suit. Yet still the journey persists, from swamp to farm to forest. An endless cycle of Realms, each more mysterious than the last. Only by seeking knowledge can he ever escape...if he even wishes to." - Tome 14 description
"Power is in the mind — the eye of the mind as the mystics called it. The eye that lets us dream and visualise is more than we think it is. Much more. It is a key and it opens doors... Endless doors.... and the key is a secretion... a sacred secretion like a drug to travel within the endless worlds within the swirling chaos that is infinite life." - Tome 5
"It's as though the one manifesting these sacred glyphs is trying to help me delve deeper into the mysteries of this dimension or, perhaps, he is suggesting that the answers to my salvation are hidden amongst the countless realms discarded by this Old One since time immemorial." - Tome 4
"With mysterious help I have ripped open reality, searched deep within countless rifts and seen everything tumble helplessly towards chaos and entropy... towards death and madness... and for the briefest moment I had the ridiculous thought that the mysterious ally helping me could very well be The Entity playing its game with me, toying with me as a cat does with a mouse before the claw rips the tiny jugular out." - Tome 4
This isn't R>F, some worlds/stories/characters just exist as fiction in other worlds. There's a version of Haddie and Jordan that are fictional, Feng does cosplays of Silent Hill and Resident Evil, etcI find it so crazy that they're literally hinting so much at R>F
There's a quote that says: "Listened to a few memories of a deranged miner named Evan on the phonograph. In a nearby pile of discarded stories I even found comic books inspired by the very same memories. Seems to me that these comics were created by artists and authors in other worlds who somehow dreamed of this maniac and his crimes. True in one world, fiction in another, and, I suppose, vice versa. Makes me wonder if someone in another world is dreaming and writing about us."
"Most of the fiction featuring Haddie and Jordan end with one of the siblings disappearing, which accounts for some of the contradicting memories I've discovered in The Fog. I believe there are several actual Haddies and Jordans stuck here with all the others. The memories I've studied so far conflict with one another so that they rarely line up with each other or the fictional stories I found in the Chamber of Blood. However, I must always remember that the collected stories and artwork in the chamber are interpretative, they are not exact, and they were more or less inspired by several versions of the siblings that exist or will exist or have existed within the endless tapestry that is the omniverse.
The truth is… The Unknowns have collected so many stories that I don’t know where to begin my research. Currently, I am focusing on The Redcrane and Twelve to Midnight to better understand how The Black Fog works and how the characters in these stories may have been able to interact with it to their advantage. There are also many versions of Dejavuism that relate a story of how one man found a way into the darkest recesses of this dimension to save the one he loved. But the story doesn't go into the details of how he managed to find a way in, and I will have to go through other versions of the story to see if there is any information that can help me. Better yet, I am hoping to find his actual memories within The Fog to give me a sense of how he found a way into this realm." - Tome 10
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But the thing is the Entity seems to view everything happening in the Realms as fiction, the Fog only contains memories and stories that can be visualized with the Auris. So The Fog pretty much only contains fiction from what I’m seizing. Every pocket views the rest of the infinite amount of other pockets as fiction and vice-versa, the concept of reality is limited to the people living in that pocket. So if we have a higher structure that encompasses every of these pockets, the concept of reality and fiction should be neglected, we have a case of opposition with Materialism-Idealism-Relativism. If we look at Plato’s Theory of Forms then the highest structure would be the ultimate reality.
We have The Entity, and every pocket which I’ll call A,B,C ad infinitum.
The Entity encompasses and unifies all perspectives, such as A, B, C, and so on, while transcending their inherent contradictions. In this context, transcendence would imply not existing within the bounds of the system—like A or B—but instead enabling the system to function. The higher structure would be the condition that allows all perspectives to exist, even if those perspectives view each other as fictional or real, and it would transcend the logic that governs their distinctions.
One key idea here is that the higher structure might be fundamentally incomprehensible to the entities within the system (A, B, C, a.i). These perspectives could see the higher structure as something beyond their understanding because it operates on a level outside of their experience. This reflects a concept similar to Kant’s “thing-in-itself”, where the true nature of something can’t be known directly but is necessary to make sense of the appearances or phenomena within the system. The higher structure is the unknowable foundation that makes all other perspectives possible, even if it can’t be fully grasped by them.
If these conditions are satisfied, then the higher structure would transcend the simple distinction between reality and fiction. This is how I see it.
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I think that's contradicted by a lot of stuff. It sees Vecna as a genuine threat to its power, there are tons of ways of entering the Realm from the outside, and the multiverse is super vast even excluding the Realm. The Entity created the realm with memories and auric cells, but it doesn't really see it as fiction. If anything, the realm moreso just inspires fiction, if Tome 10 is anything to go by;
"There are countless horror stories about mist or fog in the chamber, and not all of them are related to The Entity. The Unknowns have done an adequate job at separating the relevant from the irrelevant stories, making my research on what others have written about this place and experience easier to conduct. What is it about The Fog — and not just Black Fog — that has inspired so many stories throughout the omniverse?"
I don't really know where you got this impression to be honest. The thing with Lovecraft is just a joke at his expense, comparing the Entity to his writings (specifically Azathoth). The rest of the scans just seem to be about how the Entity created the Realm using memories, which isn't really R>F
This is where I am no help, Tier 1 isn't my wheelhouse for this reason lol
So I don't think 1-A is valid, huuuge stretch from what I understand. But once anyone gets into Plato I flatline lol
Low 1-C is... valid BUT, in my opinion, only really supported by that scan from Frank Stone where the realm is explicitly a higher world. I'd have to look over the stuff for dimensionality again to be sure about the 'can't be comprehended' stuff. I understand and want to agree, just need to learn a bit more.
2-A is easy enough, only hang up is the timeline thing
Low 2-C is the absolute minimum, there are like seven Low 2-C feats/statements lol
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I don't think it views Vecna as a literal threat to its power, his lore hints at the fact he actually couldn't do anything against The Entity. "[...] a despair, an evil he could scarcely imagine. A sick curiosity overcoming him [...]" To me Vecna doesn't seem like much pressure to the Entity, as it had to submit to its will. The Realm's size is heavily dependent on the multiverse's size as well, the Entity creates them as images or simulacras of the cosmology. If The Entity created the Realm based on simple memories, then that also raises a question, why would you ONLY retain memories of something real that you consumed as a whole?
I got this idea because it seems pretty omnipresent in the storytelling. I could re-use the quote "True in one world, fiction in another, and, I suppose, vice versa. Makes me wonder if someone in another world is dreaming and writing about us." If we consider this with an infinity of pockets, then it's verifying my theory of A is real and sees B,C,D... as fiction as well as B being real and viewing A,C,D... as fiction. I also remember a quote saying "This dimension is one of thought and memory" although I can't seem to find it, the "memory" part directly refers to The Fog/The Entity and is preceeded by "thought", further enhancing the hypothesis that all of these memories of those countless realms and victims are but mere thoughts residing in The Entity's mind.
Honestly it very much is a stretch, I would absolutely disagree with me if I was you. If it isn't clear, this is how I visualize what the Entity is seeing.
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Kaneki looks great!!
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The PTB is so glitchy
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In a perfect future, everyone remembers Tokyo Ghoul, a good studio decides to remake the anime, and Ishida decides to rewrite Re
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"The Animatronic" is here
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Peak, pure peakness
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Ilinked it because, as far as i'm aware, DBD Nemesis and Wesker actually are their canonic versions since they follow the exact same timeline as the games without any changes, the only change being the fact they were found by The Entity
Now, if i'm not wrong, those two should scale from El Gigante
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This applies to every single character, but it's a one-way crossover for everything except Alan Wake. So they wouldn't scale to their canon versions
