Rem vs homelander (TV series)

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

this was done before but it was comic book version so i thought we could also do the tv series version too

Rem

Homelander

Rem is above 27.66 Tons of TNT i believe

Homelander is around 43.4294685956 tons of TNT

Rules:

speed equalized

battle takes place in the NRG Stadium

they start 5 meters apart

Victory condition: death


Note:

If the rules have any bias. feel free to point it out and i'll correct it to make things more fair. (Just in case) (i want to make sure the fight is fair and there isn't any bias to either side)

 

[Nonynho]

1.57x AP advantage for homelander, but her sleep manip sounded kinda fast and forcefield creation can help her to get him on sleep entirely, which is capable of giving her a window for killing him. but if he can manage to fake that he's sleeping, he'll grab her by the neck and laser her to death

so i'll vote Rem for now, but i can see wincon(s) for Homelander too

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

You forgot her healing factor. and stamina, after surviving a massive explosion, with multiple stab wounds, she goes on to take more stabs, gets her neck twisted backwards, limbs all broken, and still manages to stay alive, and crawl over to Subaru and free him with magic.

 

[Nonynho]

You forgot her healing factor. and stamina, after surviving a massive explosion, with multiple stab wounds, she goes on to take more stabs, gets her neck twisted backwards, limbs all broken, and still manages to stay alive, and crawl over to Subaru and free him with magic.

this last one would configure Supernatural Willpower, wouldn't it?
yeah, glad i voted on her
u vote her 2?

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Rem fra

 

[Celestial_Pegasus]

this last one would configure Supernatural Willpower, wouldn't it?
yeah, glad i voted on her
u vote her 2?

Supernatural willpower will be added, in the eventual CRT i am planning after the reread of early volumes and side stories.

I think her regen and stamina should eventually give her the win, and things like homelanders fight and heat vision can be countered with her magic which has superior range.

Unrelated note, the baseline of skill for the verse is gonna be Elsa who can dodge stuff in her blindspot, and counter danmaku spam with sheer skill, Garfiel will be around there too, though Garfiel has instincts which alert him to danger too, Elsa isn't even a sword saint, they see nothing but imperfections in their opponents style which no level of training can overcome, Wilhelm surpassed a sword saint, and yet still there is a dimension's of distance in skill between him and Reinhard.

 

[Popted2]

Rem FRA

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

Rem FRA

 

[Darkvie123]

It seems that Homelander has a higher level AP than Rem. But AP alone does not determine the outcome of a battle. Assuming that speed is equalized, both Rem and Homelander would be able to react and move at the same speed. But, Homelander's superhuman strength, durability, and heat vision could give him an advantage in this fight.

Rem is a skilled warrior with excellent combat abilities, but she primarily relies on her morning star flail as her weapon of choice. Homelander, on the other hand has a range of abilities including flight, super strength, heat vision, and superhuman durability. He could potentially overpower Rem with his strength and use his heat vision to deal significant damage. The NGR Stadium is a relatively open space, which could favor Homelander's ability to fly and maneuver around the battlefield. But Rem could potentially use the environment to her advantage and set traps or use obstacles to her benefit. In terms of strategy and tactics, Rem is a highly intelligent and resourceful fighter, while Homelander can be impulsive and unpredictable. Rem might be able to outsmart Homelander and exploit his weaknesses, such as his susceptibility to manipulation.

While Rem is a strong opponent, Homelander's superior physical abilities and range of powers would likely give him the edge in this battle.

Rem Advantages:

• Skilled warrior with excellent combat abilities and can wield her morning star flail with great precision and powers

• Highly intelligent and resourceful, which could allow her to use tactics and strategy to her advantage in the fight

• Her demon powers, such as her ability to heal quickly, could allow her to sustain damage and keep fighting.

Disadvantages:

• Rem's AP is lower than Homelander's, which could put her at a disadvantage in terms of dealing damage to her opponent.

• Rem is limited in her abilities compared to Homelander and doesn't have access to the range of powers he possesses.

• Rem's demon powers have limits and she can tire out quickly if she uses them too much.

Homelander Advantages:
• Homelander has a range of powers, including super strength, flight, heat vision, and superhuman durability, which could give him an advantage in the fight.

• Homelander's physical strength and durability make him difficult to take down, even for someone as skilled as Rem.

• Homelander's impulsive and unpredictable nature could make it difficult for Rem to anticipate his moves and outmaneuver him.

Disadvantages:

• Homelander can be reckless and overconfident, which could lead him to make mistakes in the fight.

• Homelander's heat vision requires him to focus and concentrate, which could make him vulnerable to attacks from Rem.

• Homelander's reliance on his powers could make him vulnerable if he loses access to them or they are somehow neutralized.

Voting Homelander for now

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

It seems that Homelander has a higher level AP than Rem. But AP alone does not determine the outcome of a battle. Assuming that speed is equalized, both Rem and Homelander would be able to react and move at the same speed. But, Homelander's superhuman strength, durability, and heat vision could give him an advantage in this fight.

Rem is a skilled warrior with excellent combat abilities, but she primarily relies on her morning star flail as her weapon of choice. Homelander, on the other hand has a range of abilities including flight, super strength, heat vision, and superhuman durability. He could potentially overpower Rem with his strength and use his heat vision to deal significant damage. The NGR Stadium is a relatively open space, which could favor Homelander's ability to fly and maneuver around the battlefield. But Rem could potentially use the environment to her advantage and set traps or use obstacles to her benefit. In terms of strategy and tactics, Rem is a highly intelligent and resourceful fighter, while Homelander can be impulsive and unpredictable. Rem might be able to outsmart Homelander and exploit his weaknesses, such as his susceptibility to manipulation.

While Rem is a strong opponent, Homelander's superior physical abilities and range of powers would likely give him the edge in this battle.

Rem Advantages:

• Skilled warrior with excellent combat abilities and can wield her morning star flail with great precision and powers

• Highly intelligent and resourceful, which could allow her to use tactics and strategy to her advantage in the fight

• Her demon powers, such as her ability to heal quickly, could allow her to sustain damage and keep fighting.

Disadvantages:

• Rem's AP is lower than Homelander's, which could put her at a disadvantage in terms of dealing damage to her opponent.

• Rem is limited in her abilities compared to Homelander and doesn't have access to the range of powers he possesses.

• Rem's demon powers have limits and she can tire out quickly if she uses them too much.

Homelander Advantages:
• Homelander has a range of powers, including super strength, flight, heat vision, and superhuman durability, which could give him an advantage in the fight.

• Homelander's physical strength and durability make him difficult to take down, even for someone as skilled as Rem.

• Homelander's impulsive and unpredictable nature could make it difficult for Rem to anticipate his moves and outmaneuver him.

Disadvantages:

• Homelander can be reckless and overconfident, which could lead him to make mistakes in the fight.

• Homelander's heat vision requires him to focus and concentrate, which could make him vulnerable to attacks from Rem.

• Homelander's reliance on his powers could make him vulnerable if he loses access to them or they are somehow neutralized.

Voting Homelander for now

Um everyone here says rem

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Also speed is equalized please look at the OP next time

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

It seems that Homelander has a higher level AP than Rem. But AP alone does not determine the outcome of a battle. Assuming that speed is equalized, both Rem and Homelander would be able to react and move at the same speed. But, Homelander's superhuman strength, durability, and heat vision could give him an advantage in this fight.

Rem is a skilled warrior with excellent combat abilities, but she primarily relies on her morning star flail as her weapon of choice. Homelander, on the other hand has a range of abilities including flight, super strength, heat vision, and superhuman durability. He could potentially overpower Rem with his strength and use his heat vision to deal significant damage. The NGR Stadium is a relatively open space, which could favor Homelander's ability to fly and maneuver around the battlefield. But Rem could potentially use the environment to her advantage and set traps or use obstacles to her benefit. In terms of strategy and tactics, Rem is a highly intelligent and resourceful fighter, while Homelander can be impulsive and unpredictable. Rem might be able to outsmart Homelander and exploit his weaknesses, such as his susceptibility to manipulation.

While Rem is a strong opponent, Homelander's superior physical abilities and range of powers would likely give him the edge in this battle.

Rem Advantages:

• Skilled warrior with excellent combat abilities and can wield her morning star flail with great precision and powers

• Highly intelligent and resourceful, which could allow her to use tactics and strategy to her advantage in the fight

• Her demon powers, such as her ability to heal quickly, could allow her to sustain damage and keep fighting.

Disadvantages:

• Rem's AP is lower than Homelander's, which could put her at a disadvantage in terms of dealing damage to her opponent.

• Rem is limited in her abilities compared to Homelander and doesn't have access to the range of powers he possesses.

• Rem's demon powers have limits and she can tire out quickly if she uses them too much.

Homelander Advantages:
• Homelander has a range of powers, including super strength, flight, heat vision, and superhuman durability, which could give him an advantage in the fight.

• Homelander's physical strength and durability make him difficult to take down, even for someone as skilled as Rem.

• Homelander's impulsive and unpredictable nature could make it difficult for Rem to anticipate his moves and outmaneuver him.

Disadvantages:

• Homelander can be reckless and overconfident, which could lead him to make mistakes in the fight.

• Homelander's heat vision requires him to focus and concentrate, which could make him vulnerable to attacks from Rem.

• Homelander's reliance on his powers could make him vulnerable if he loses access to them or they are somehow neutralized.

Voting Homelander for now

@Celestial_Pegasus going to smack this argument i'll tell you lel

 

[Nonynho]

Homelander's superhuman strength, durability, and heat vision could give him an advantage in this fight.

No sleep manip resist, all of that nh

He could potentially overpower Rem with his strength and use his heat vision to deal significant damage.

Only if he managed to fake being asleep, if else, he sleeps and gets murdered. Also nothing shall hit her via forcefield creation

Rem is limited in her abilities

You claimed her "resourceful" to say that? Wtf?

Rem's demon powers have limits and she can tire out quickly if she uses them too much.

Stated above why such things as time wouldn't matter. Read the thread, please.

disadvantage in terms of dealing damage to her opponent.

**** no, the diff isn't so huge, mate

Homelander has a range of powers, including super strength, flight, heat vision, and superhuman durability, which could give him an advantage in the fight.

• Homelander's physical strength and durability make him difficult to take down, even for someone as skilled as Rem.

Already commented on that
Forcefield+sleep manip

Homelander's impulsive and unpredictable nature could make it difficult for Rem to anticipate his moves and outmaneuver him.

Extrasensory Perception (Can sense mana)
Dealt with.

 

[DemonicDude]

Rem FRA

 

[Reiner04]

@Aachintya31 FRA

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Grace

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Question did I get rem’s AP in joules correct?

the 43 tons thing is actually from here

• The 8-Bs such as Homelander and Soldier Boy scales from above the power of this explosion.

 

[Darkvie123]

Also speed is equalized please look at the OP next time

no one talked about speed read the message i send again. i already said speed is equalized

 

[Darkvie123]

No sleep manip resist, all of that nh

Only if he managed to fake being asleep, if else, he sleeps and gets murdered. Also nothing shall hit her via forcefield creation

You claimed her "resourceful" to say that? Wtf?

Stated above why such things as time wouldn't matter. Read the thread, please.

**** no, the diff isn't so huge, mate

Already commented on that
Forcefield+sleep manip

Extrasensory Perception (Can sense mana)
Dealt with.

will answer to this later

 

[Darkvie123]

Um everyone here says rem

appeal to popularity

 

[Nonynho]

appeal to popularity

yeah, i agree, this was shitty

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

will answer to this later

To be fair, Pegasus will still going to slap your arguments for Homelander regardless lel

appeal to popularity

And something about many peoples here hate Homelander with passion

 

[Nonynho]

To be fair, Pegasus will still going to slap your arguments for Homelander regardless lel

i've already did it kek
just reading the page about the sleep manip convinced she'd lowdiff (if not no-diff) Homelander

 

[Axl233]

Beating Homelander is really not that hard of a achivement(really even a 1 hour worth of combat experience higher is enough), but in this situation i'm don't see how he doesn't just lasers her to death, since i'ts IC for him to start with heat vision.

 

[Axl233]

also laser vision one shots forcefields.

 

[Nonynho]

Beating Homelander is really not that hard of a achivement(really even a 1 hour worth of combat experience higher is enough), but in this situation i'm don't see how he doesn't just lasers her to death, since i'ts IC for him to start with heat vision.

IC he would talk to her via his psychopatic personality, won't he?
like the girl from the roof

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

also laser vision one shots forcefields.

Not before he got put on sleep and get overwhelmed by other Rem shennanigans

 

[Darkvie123]

To be fair, Pegasus will still going to slap your arguments for Homelander regardless lel

And something about many peoples here hate Homelander with passion

SURE

 

[Axl233]

IC he would talk to her via his psychopatic personality, won't he?
like the girl from the roof

OP din't describe lore or the reason why they are fighting, for him to start with chit chatting, 80% of time Homelander starts with lasering people just to be done with it, he is not gonna go easy just because Rem is a teenager girl, actually the complete ******* opposite(I'm don't need to remind you what he did to Butcher's wife, plus the shit that he said to Maeve)

Not before he got put on sleep and get overwhelmed by other Rem shennanigans

How is that faster then laser vision?

 

[Darkvie123]

No sleep manip resist, all of that nh

Only if he managed to fake being asleep, if else, he sleeps and gets murdered. Also nothing shall hit her via forcefield creation

You claimed her "resourceful" to say that? Wtf?

Stated above why such things as time wouldn't matter. Read the thread, please.

**** no, the diff isn't so huge, mate

Already commented on that
Forcefield+sleep manip

Extrasensory Perception (Can sense mana)
Dealt with.

In that case, Rem's sleep manip and forcefield creation abilities could give her an advantage in the fight. If she is able to put Homelander to sleep, she could deal significant damage to him without relying solely on her morning star flail. Her forcefield creation could also provide her with protection against Homelander's attacks. Homelander's superhuman strength and durability would still be a significant factor in the fight. But Rem's resourcefulness and ability to think on her feet could allow her to find ways to outmaneuver and outsmart him. Her ability to sense mana could also be useful in identifying weaknesses in Homelander's defenses and exploiting them.

The fight would still be challenging for Rem, but with her abilities and intelligence she could potentially come out on top of she plays her cards right.

 

[Darkvie123]

Also do they have knowledge of their opponents abilities?

 

[Nonynho]

OP din't describe lore or the reason why they are fighting, for him to start with chit chatting, 80% of time Homelander starts with lasering people just to be done with it, he is not gonna go easy just because Rem is a teenager girl, actually the complete ******* opposite

I'm sure he'll chitchat, since he's 5m of distance of her and he'll pressupose he's stronger than a blue-haired-maid random teenager

In that case, Rem's sleep manip and forcefield creation abilities could give her an advantage in the fight. If she is able to put Homelander to sleep, she could deal significant damage to him without relying solely on her morning star flail.

Which means death, via having an damage output of the same level of his durabillity (and while he's asleep, i'm sure she can land more than one blow)...which means victory via OP's description.

Her forcefield creation could also provide her with protection against Homelander's attacks.

Axl233 seems to disagree but ok, happy to see a homelander supporter saying that.

Homelander's superhuman strength and durability would still be a significant factor in the fight.

not if he's sleeping, and Dura is the same as the AP of Rem, and since she'll be able to apply multiple hits, then it doesn't matter².

Also do they have knowledge of their opponents abilities?

not according to SBA and OP didn't say, so no.

 

[Darkvie123]

I'm sure he'll chitchat, since he's 5m of distance of her and he'll pressupose he's stronger than a blue-haired-maid random teenager

Which means death, via having an damage output of the same level of his durabillity (and while he's asleep, i'm sure she can land more than one blow)...which means victory via OP's description.

Axl233 seems to disagree but ok, happy to see a homelander supporter saying that.

not if he's sleeping, and Dura is the same as the AP of Rem, and since she'll be able to apply multiple hits, then it doesn't matter².

not according to SBA and OP didn't say, so no.

You're correct that if Rem is able to land multiple hits on Homelander while he's asleep and her damage output is at the same level as his durability, then she would be able to defeat him and win the fight, according to the victory condition stated in the original post.

It's worth noting, however, that Homelander's durability and strength are still formidable even if Rem is able to put him to sleep. If he were to wake up or recover consciousness during the fight, he could still pose a significant threat to Rem. Plus, if the fight were to drag on for an extended period of time, Homelander's healing factor could also come into play, allowing him to recover from injuries and continue fighting.

While Rem's sleep manip and forcefield creation could give her an advantage, it's important to remain aware of Homelander's strength and durability and to continue to apply pressure until he is defeated.

 

[Nonynho]

While Rem's sleep manip and forcefield creation could give her an advantage, it's important to remain aware of Homelander's strength and durability and to continue to apply pressure until he is defeated.

but if he's asleep how will his strength matter?

If he were to wake up or recover consciousness during the fight

if you tell me how could he do so and not be severely damaged to pose a lot of a threat, we'll discuss further.

Plus, if the fight were to drag on for an extended period of time, Homelander's healing factor could also come into play, allowing him to recover from injuries and continue fighting.

which it won't. if not 1, 2 blows from Rem and he's dead...

You're correct that if Rem is able to land multiple hits on Homelander while he's asleep and her damage output is at the same level as his durability, then she would be able to defeat him and win the fight, according to the victory condition stated in the original post.

if so, then you concede to my point of one of her wincons (i think if we put effort on it, we can find more) until we see if he can wake up before being decimated

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

this match is on grace now but rem is still the winner correct?

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

Question did I get rem’s AP in joules correct?

the 43 tons thing is actually from here

• The 8-Bs such as Homelander and Soldier Boy scales from above the power of this explosion.

and this too

 

[Kisaragi_Megumi]

this match is on grace now but rem is still the winner correct?

Yes

 

[Nonynho]

this match is on grace now but rem is still the winner correct?

We'll see in 11:23AM tomorrow

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

We'll see in 11:23AM tomorrow

It’s almost time

 

[Artorimachi_Meteoraft]

,

celestial the match has been added shall this be closed? (also the Joules for Rem are correct?)