Law Manip & Acausality 4,5

[Frxwins]

why the type 4 and 5 acausality characters mentioned might not be able to be affected by law manipulation

 

[AzuRizzz]

Because they're unbound by it.

Being unaffected by laws of the world makes you aca4.

Being aca5 makes you unaffected by all kinds of casuality therefore laws too because casuality is a law and laws are bound by casuality.

It's this way rather than being aca4 and 5 makes you unbound by laws as being unbound by it while it's true is what used to determine it.

 

[Frxwins]

Because they're unbound by it.

Being unaffected by laws of the world makes you aca4.

Being aca5 makes you unaffected by all kinds of casuality therefore laws too because casuality is a law and laws are bound by casuality.

It's this way rather than being aca4 and 5 makes you unbound by laws as being unbound by it while it's true is what used to determine it.

why is it not bound by the laws of the world to get a causality type 4? aren't causality and law different?

 

[AzuRizzz]

why is it not bound by the laws of the world to get a causality type 4? aren't causality and law different?

Causality is a law.

 

[AzuRizzz]

Type 4 is granted to characters who works on a different system which makes them unbound by laws basically.

They operate on a different cause and effect relationship than the usual one.

 

[Frxwins]

Causality is a law.

then why do they have different pages and different explanations.

Even do not find similarities between the two which strengthens that law and causality are the same.

Law Manipulation Page
Causality Manipulation Page

I don't understand why you say that causality is a law, because you don't even explain anything about it. but the fact that they both have different explanations and pages should make them not the same thing, because if they were the same we wouldn't need to have more than one page in our wiki just for the same thing.

well maybe if you have a good reason you can start a thread about it about deleting one of the pages and merging them.

 

[AzuRizzz]

then why do they have different pages and different explanations.

Even do not find similarities between the two which strengthens that law and causality are the same.

Law Manipulation Page
Causality Manipulation Page

I don't understand why you say that causality is a law, because you don't even explain anything about it. but the fact that they both have different explanations and pages should make them not the same thing, because if they were the same we wouldn't need to have more than one page in our wiki just for the same thing.

well maybe if you have a good reason you can start a thread about it about deleting one of the pages and merging them.

Possible Uses​

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• Reality Warping: Users of this ability may be able to control the laws of reality, and high-level users may be able to even negate the current laws and enforce their own upon reality.
• Physics Manipulation: The user may be able to alter the fundamental laws of physics.
• Power Nullification: High-level users may be able to "prohibit" the use of certain power or abilities in a universe, rendering the users of said power powerless.

• Causality Manipulation: By controlling the laws of cause and effect.​

• Mathematics Manipulation: The user may be able to alter the result of a mathematical equation, or the fundamental process behind it.
• Chaos Manipulation: The user may be able to alter logical order.
• Subjective Reality and/or Immersion: By manipulating reality and unreality.

 

[Frxwins]

Possible Uses​

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• Reality Warping: Users of this ability may be able to control the laws of reality, and high-level users may be able to even negate the current laws and enforce their own upon reality.
• Physics Manipulation: The user may be able to alter the fundamental laws of physics.
• Power Nullification: High-level users may be able to "prohibit" the use of certain power or abilities in a universe, rendering the users of said power powerless.

• Causality Manipulation: By controlling the laws of cause and effect.​

• Mathematics Manipulation: The user may be able to alter the result of a mathematical equation, or the fundamental process behind it.
• Chaos Manipulation: The user may be able to alter logical order.
• Subjective Reality and/or Immersion: By manipulating reality and unreality.

I don't think having the ability to manipulate laws will get causality manipulation regardless of context.

ahh also don't forget the sentence "Possible Uses" only possible use not certain.

"By controlling the laws of cause and effect." what if a character is only shown to be able to manipulate the law without mentioning the law he means the law of cause and effect, of course he only gets a law manipulation rating and nothing more.

maybe this can be included in the No Limit Fallacy, when there is no limitation for a character/ability, they assume that the character/ability has no limit.

and again, why do they have different pages? if you have a good reason maybe you can create a Thread regarding the deletion of one of the pages.

 

[AzuRizzz]

Causality "Cause and Effect" is a LAW​

that's what you're asking for.

Jfc

 

[AzuRizzz]

No limits fallacies?

If i have a good reason i should make a crt i should make a removal?

BOY, you're misunderstanding.

I didn't even mentioned those once, it's you assuming that's what i meant.

I just answered your question that Causality is a law.

I NEVER SAID "BEING ABLE TO MANIPULATE A LAW WOULD GRANT ALL POSSIBLE USES ALREADY"

Geez why am i even getting worked up


- Acasuality type 4 grants resistance to causality manip, fate, etc. Because they exist in an irregular cause and effect system hence they're outside by the usual laws of the world due to following a different one.

I never said Causality and Laws are entirely the same, i said that Causality is a kind of law.

 

[AzuRizzz]

Laws within a world are made up of different laws.

Laws of physics, laws of cause and effect etc.

Acasuality type 4 works like for example.

A is from and follows a world with different logic and laws and faced B who follows our usual laws.

If B uses causality manipulation on A, it won't work as A follows a different system of cause and effect therefore he's unbound by B's worlds law of cause and effect.

 

[AzuRizzz]

Acausality type 5 on the other hand means a character is unbound by all kind of cause and effect (all things are bound and are tied to cause and effect including laws) of an entire reality making it impossible for the said reality to interact with it because he's unbound by them.

 

[Frxwins]

I never said Causality and Laws are entirely the same, i said that Causality is a kind of law.

Yeah maybe that's what you said and I saw it wrong

Causality is a law.

Hell nah