UI Goku vs Super Tails

[XXKINGXX69]

Goku (Ultra Instinct Sign) vs Super Tails

Both Low 2-C, speed equal and they start 30 meters from each other
Location: The McDonalds closest to @Dread's house

If its a stomp, I'll consider giving tails his optional equipment

 

[LaserPrecision]

Can Goku like... even do anything to Super Tails? Invulnerability puts any AP advantage off the table as a win-con.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Can Goku like... even do anything to Super Tails? Invulnerability puts any AP advantage off the table as a win-con.

and are merely unaffected by conventional attacks from a bunch of different enemies, such as Perfect Chaos, Time Eater, Ultimate Gemerl and the Great Eggman Robo

Goku is also unaffected by conventional attacks, this is just durability

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

Goku is also unaffected by conventional attacks, this is just durability

what

 

[LaserPrecision]

Goku is also unaffected by conventional attacks, this is just durability

The Invulnerability of the Super Form's on the wiki are treated as the opposite of durability negation, i.e., an AP advantage can't overcome it regardless of the gap. It can be negated via dura neg tho or invulnerability neg

 

[XXKINGXX69]

what

its durability

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

Goku is also unaffected by conventional attacks, this is just durability

?

 

[XXKINGXX69]

The Invulnerability of the Super Form's on the wiki are treated as the opposite of durability negation, i.e., an AP advantage can't overcome it regardless of the gap. It can be negated via dura neg tho or invulnerability neg

So can Tails be invulnerable to low multiversal attacks too? What about tier 0 attacks?

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

obviously dimensional transcendence negates invulnerability like every other hax

 

[LaserPrecision]

So can Tails be invulnerable to low multiversal attacks too? What about tier 0 attacks?

He would be invulnerable to low-multi. Not sure about tier 0. I've heard some people say invulnerability can persist regardless of the tier difference since the whole purpose of the ability is to completely nullify normal attacks all together. Though attacks that for example say cut through space would work since that's hax. But I've also heard otherwise.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

no, invulnerability is negated by dimensional transcendence, anyone tier 1 is going to one shot super tails

 

[LaserPrecision]

no, invulnerability is negated by dimensional transcendence, anyone tier 1 is going to one shot super tails

I don't disagree, but I've heard otherwise on the wiki. I haven't really seen a definitive thread on invulnerability where this was thoroughly discussed since I think invulnerability is a bit different from other hax.

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

I don't disagree, but I've heard otherwise on the wiki. I haven't really seen a definitive thread on invulnerability where this was thoroughly discussed since I think invulnerability is a bit different from other hax.

i highly doubt that has any merit

 

[LaserPrecision]

i highly doubt that has any merit

Fair enough. Think we can agree it should at the very least neg any Low 2-C attacks from Goku tho, right?

If its a stomp, I'll consider giving tails his optional equipment

Why Tails? That would make things more unfair. I feel Goku needs his optional equipment far more.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

obviously dimensional transcendence negates invulnerability like every other hax

Why only dimensional transcendence?

He would be invulnerable to low-multi. Not sure about tier 0. I've heard some people say invulnerability can persist regardless of the tier difference since the whole purpose of the ability is to completely nullify normal attacks all together. Though attacks that for example say cut through space would work since that's hax. But I've also heard otherwise.

Why is this invulnerability and not power null

 

[Reiner04]

I always knew Goku is real

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Why is this invulnerability and not power null

Cause it's not hax. It's not nullifying something like magical ability or hax. It's just him being immune to damage

 

[Gilad_Hyperstar]

Anyways, Goku can't really do anything to Tails and all Tails have to do to win is sit there and do nothing since he can outlast Goku and once Goku drops out of UI Tails one shots

 

[ImmortalDread]

Damn at my house ic

 

[sanicspood]

Why is this invulnerability and not power null

stop

 

[XXKINGXX69]

stop

????

 

[sanicspood]

????

Super forms are stated to be invulnerable several times which is also on the profiles, saying it’s power null is some out of this world assertion that you need to prove

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Super forms are stated to be invulnerable several times which is also on the profiles, saying it’s power null is some out of this world assertion that you need to prove

"Invulnerable" is just durability. If you take no damage from a bomb, that's also being invulnerable to the bomb. If you're saying this isn't power null you must think this is just regular durability

 

[It_is_i_wyatt]

invulnerability is just the reverse of dura negging

 

[StekFence]

Invulnerable" is just durability.

It can also be the inability to take damage in general, no matter how hard you are hit. That’s what super forms are considered to have here, so gokus hands aren’t able to do anything

 

[XXKINGXX69]

It can also be the inability to take damage in general, no matter how hard you are hit. That’s what super forms are considered to have here, so gokus hands aren’t able to do anything

"No matter how hard you are hit" is an NLF. The inability to take damage from something is durability

 

[StekFence]

It’s only a nlf as much as dura neg is. I’m generalizing when I say no matter what. infinite level Gaps like dimensional transcendence would be pretty ludicrous to say he negs, so of course nobody considers him able to tank stuff like that, but same tier stuff, and even some higher tier attacks would make sense, if his invulnerability is taken literally.

 

[ImmortalDread]

Durability negation is not NLF. He can only negate what he further has been shown.

 

[XXKINGXX69]

Durability negation is not NLF. He can only negate what he further has been shown.

same as durability, he can only tank what he "further has been shown"

 

[ImmortalDread]

same as durability, he can only tank what he "further has been shown"

I did not disagree with this but ok