Tarouverse Official CRT Discussion Thread

[Godsatoshi23]

As you guys may i know, the Mondaiji series have gotten many up and down here, but currently have its own page so far, with explanation blogs written by Mugen no Setsuna https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mugen_no_Setsuna
all the scans and translations came because of him, now let's see how far this page will go

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Regarding the cosmology of the verse alone, 3-Digit already have higher dimensions though,which are the Another Cosmology, as you can see here: all the scans are from Mugen no Setsuna

Alma: “[Natural-born Divine Spirit]…… Lifeforms that are the mutual observers with mankind and possessing alternate cosmologies.
The gods possess alternate cosmologies from mankind’s – [Another Cosmology]. The worlds they dwell on are all exist outside the universe. In human term, you can call those as Outer Universes.”

Shiro: “Since those are completely incomprehensible dimensions where a slight mistake in the density of time would lead to incomprehensible Laws of Physic, Proper Times and Laws of Celestial Bodies. You can also define Little Garden as another Outer Universe. And just to be sure, [Natural-born Divine Spirit] doesn’t mean pure-blooded Divine Spirit, if anyone is

Now, this is the vague part. Since Tarou only said that they are incomprehensible dimensions with a different density of time, laws and stuffs, hence we don't have clear explanation for how high their dimensional structure is, that's why i'm gonna use the feats instead. Volume 10 have explained that they exist on higher plane, if not highest in Little Garden's multiverse hierarchy. So combined with the feat of LE 6 that the 3-Digit view infinite multiverses as smaller than particles, we can conclude the higher dimensions that the 3-Digit gods resided view the rest of entire Mondaiji verse as insignificant as well. It should be the most logical explanation for this.

Also many of have known the Poets also have significant role when it comes to developing the cosmology. Taking the stories and myths that weaved by Poets, due to the nature of Little Garden that literally allows everything to be possible, even a fictional story such as King Arthur's legend can become reality of Mondaiji multiverse. A story's impact can branch into countless diversities, which later branched into another countless stories and timelines. They just keep multiplying endlessly, you can get the idea though. Not to mention we have bunch of bullshit like Paradigm Shifts, infinite possibilites, infinite outer worlds,... or elements that made up the verse (Alpha & Omega, Yin & Yang, Heaven & Earth, Duality,...). Put those who can casually nuke the verse aside, i think cosmology should be at least in fair 1-C, due to the complexity it has.

Credit to Mugen no Setsuna:https://vsbattles.com/members/mugen_no_setsuna.1183/

 

[Iiliminal]

crazy stuff

 

[Godsatoshi23]

crazy stuff

Is this will be enough to prove 1c or I should give more info

 

[Iiliminal]

if there’s more info on its scaling then sure bring it on, I’m curious

as for if it’s enough, prob not, or maybe idk

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Anyway is everyone agree it being 1c

 

[Iiliminal]

can u re-explain how this gets to 1-C? I’m not sure if I understood correctly, it seems more like low 1-c rn

 

[Godsatoshi23]

can u re-explain how this gets to 1-C? I’m not sure if I understood correctly, it seems more like low 1-c rn

2-Digit are like, how should i say it then? Aside from the obvious fact that they are already >>>> 3-Digit, what makes them different from the 3-Digit is they are freed from the Omnipotence Paradox and various restrictions that the 3-Digit has. Indra explained that 2-Digit is the new path aimed by the 3-Digit (Though i doubt they can pass the limits lol). But yeah whatever, with the feats i think 3-Digit still be at good 1-C. And ah no, we don't have the feat that 2-Digit exist higher than 3-Digit though.

For the 1-Digit, they are vastly stronger than entire might of 3-Digit and 2-Digit, regardless how many numbers they have. Just imagine that even Queen Halloween who can summon infinite monsters that stronger than her, is still a pile of dust in front of the LE.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

The infinite grand scale of multiverse
Scans belongs to https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mugen_no_Setsuna/Tarouverse's_Cosmology_explanation_blog

“Certainly. This is about all Oda Nobunaga vanishing from history being a single historical convergence point.”

“Aa, that is not important. What I want to know, is “the Oda Nobunaga summoned to Little Garden are all different beings”. Just how much they are different from another?”

Tokuteru made a slightly surprising face. He tilted his head, wondering what meaning does that have, and then he answered Homura’s question.

“How much, you said......? I can only express them as being literally different people. They are completely different people with different faces and different physiques, totally different people.”

“Is that so? To even DNA level?”

“Correct.”

Homura took his memo and made a faint smile with Tokuteru’s confirmation.

“I see, I see. In short, on conceptual level, they are people from alternate worlds with the name of [Oda Nobunaga]. Is the reason for what forms Little Garden isn’t Parallel World Theory, but the Interchanging Parallel World Theory......? Wow, going by simple calculation, the world scale of Little Garden is incomprehensible......!”

Homura made a stiff face as he wrote the formula.

He lifted and read the parchment the moment he’s done with filling the “ANSWER”.

“In general, the multiverse observed from the World of Little Garden isn’t “infinite parallel worlds”, but “infinite parallel worlds is merely a standard value”. It is not timelines branching from a singular universe similar to a great river, but able to observe simultaneously with infinite universes constantly to appear constantly to branch infinitely. If one can interfere simultaneously and indefinitely on all of them, the universes observed from the World of Little Garden is likely to be much less than even particles...... That is, if the probability of existence is too low, they would disappear. Regardless what sort of powerful Divine Spirit, if their probability of existence was divided too much, they would become the size of, or perhaps smaller than a particle.”

Homura made a bitter smile as he took the parchment he wrote.

The Strongest Species had their power reduced significantly from countless restrictions. The Origin Candidate must have been meant to solve all of them---

“Hmm...... Although you were halfway on this investigation, but as this entry is the premise of the World of Little Garden may, it barely has anything to do with us now, right?”

“Is that so? I was very interesting since all of this was first to come across the Usamimi, though.”

“Since as long as we exist on the same ring that is Little Garden, since we are existence of the same scale, so there is nothing to be worry about. Nothing would begin if the Little Garden didn’t have such power from the start. This much is the least I can confirm with the premise of Little Garden. Then, let’s move to the next entry.”

He left his unfinished investigation to the side.

Truth, as long as Little Garden doesn’t become their enemy, investigating something like the scale of the World of Little Garden is meaningless. Homura opened the parchment and beckoned the other three, pointing on the entry of Divine Spirit this time.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

The infinite grand scale of multiverse
Scans belongs to https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mugen_no_Setsuna/Tarouverse's_Cosmology_explanation_blog

Homura's explanation of interchanging parallel world theory qualifies for. However with you mentioning the dimension stuff, 2-Digits existing on a higher one than 3-Digits (If I remember correctly) + 3-Digits viewing the multiversal hierarchy as lesser than a particle might allow 2-Digits to be 1-C and 1-Digits a higher degree of 1-C

 

[Iiliminal]

sooo multiverse (low 1-c) <<<< 3 digits (low 1-c (6d) <<<<< 2 digits (7d) <<<<< 1 digit (8d)

 

[Godsatoshi23]

sooo multiverse (low 1-c) <<<< 3 digits (low 1-c (6d) <<<<< 2 digits (7d) <<<<< 1 digit (8d)

Based on the feats of 3-Digit, we can summary like this

50% 3-Digit > Infinitely above the multiversal hierarchy. Should be even higher when fully 100% unrestricted

2-Digit > Simply outmatched the power of 3-Digit

1-Digit > On top of everything else including 3-Digit and 2-Digit

 

[Godsatoshi23]

I can give a scale of 3 digits of how high they will be
Credits to https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...Tarouverse's_power_scaling_and_justifications

Here is what are the Brahman, or should i say the 3-Digit gods capable of:

- They are beings who created entire verse and adjusted all creation, from Yin and Yang, Heaven and Earth, Duality of Good and Evil to Creation (Alpha) and Destruction (Omega).

- They exists on higher dimensions which are the Another Cosmologies and above Little Garden's infinite multiversal structure, while Little Garden is the world where the Beginning (Alpha) and the End (Omega) are just one.

- Descending with their true forms would cause disasters to lower worlds, hence they have to use their own avatars in order to interact, however even one mortal universe can only endure 3 avatars of 3-Digit gods at best.

- From the perspective of 3-Digit Gods, infinite branches of infinite universes/multiverses are nothing but smaller than particles, not a single universe is beyond the reach of 3-Digit gods. As i have proved above, this is when they can only desmontrate 50% of their power in Little Garden.

Combining the huge cosmology along with the feats, we can safely concluded that Brahman have transcended all things in existence, not excluding every universes, dimensions or the Duality itself. Judging from this fact they can get a solid Tier 1, same thing applied to the 2-Digit and 1-Digit as well.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

I can give a scale of 3 digits of how high they will be
Credits to https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Mugen_no_Setsuna/Tarouverse's_power_scaling_and_justifications

Here is what are the Brahman, or should i say the 3-Digit gods capable of:

And a single 2 digit is far stronger than all combined 3 digits except Halloween queen who might be equal, not sure about the last part

 

[Ren1999]

Bump

 

[Iiliminal]

Ik ppl are getting to 1-A via platonic concept and duality bullshit but

there’s supposed to be an argument for 1-B, like some sort of countless hierarchy of r>f transcendences? Idk if they use fake scans or smth, id like clarification on that

 

[Godsatoshi23]

I ppl are getting to 1-A via platonic concept and duality bullshit but

there’s supposed to be an argument for 1-B, like some sort of countless hierarchy of r>f transcendences? Idk if they use fake scans or smth, id like clarification on that

Some argument I can give for 1b.

1. Mortal worlds are infinite in size & number. (2A)

2. A "World" contains all mortal worlds, the size of the World is also infinite. Because the World contains mortal worlds, it is assumed that every mortal world is considered infinitesimal by the World. (L1C)

3. Buddha-land contains World and infinite pocket dimensions, Buddha-land's size is also infinite and considers the entire world he contains is only as big as a grain of sand & an atom. (1C)

4. World of Desire is a place where gods who have transcended all of the above are considered H1C or 1B at best
If Mondaiji uses the same scaling method, then this is it cosmology sun wukong is very similar to mondaiji and it's on wiki vs battle

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Ik ppl are getting to 1-A via platonic concept and duality bullshit but

By the way, I've heard that the idea of brahman is similar to platonic concept beings 1-A. That could possibly help 2 digits and by consequence 1 digit a lot, even if mondaji's brhamn runs to into the same problem as false platonic concept it's an almost guaranteed tier 1.

 

[Iiliminal]

By the way, I've heard that the idea of brahman is similar to platonic concept beings 1-A. That could possibly help 2 digits and by consequence 1 digit a lot, even if mondaji's brhamn runs to into the same problem as false platonic concept it's an almost guaranteed tier 1.

if i understand correctly brahman transcends everything in the verse

 

[Godsatoshi23]

if i understand correctly brahman transcends everything in the verse

Yep, you are right.

Brahman have transcended all things in existence, not excluding every universes, dimensions or the Duality itself. Judging from this fact they can get a solid Tier 1, same thing applied to the 2-Digit and 1-Digit as well.

 

[Ren1999]

when will mondaiji be revived on this wiki remind this verse has a lot of translation misunderstandings

 

[Iiliminal]

when will mondaiji be revived on this wiki

idk

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Common term to gauge the strength of each invidual or Community in Little Garden, there are total 7 parts of Digit levels, the smaller it have, the stronger you are. Even a difference between one Digit is like separation between Heaven and Earth, like one 3-Digit Divine Spirit can easily snapped a 4-Digit Demon King like insect, and so forth. Even a 5-Digit would have trouble to rise up into 4-Digit

7 to 6-Digit are lowest, 5th is in the middle, 4th and higher are in upper layer.

箱庭では一いつ般ぱん的に、七桁・六桁を下層、五桁を中層、四桁・三桁・二桁・一桁を上層と呼ぶ。五桁は中層と位置付けられているが、上層との力の差は天と地ほどの隔かく絶ぜつがあるのが通説だ。五桁最上位の魔王とはいえ易々と四桁に昇しよう格かく出来るはずなどない。

In the Little Garden, generally speaking, the 7-Digit and 6-Digit are the lower levels, the 5-Digit is the middle level and the 4-Digit to 1-Digit are the upper level. Although the 5-Digit is placed as the middle level, the prevailing view on this place is that the power difference between that level and the upper level is like the separation of Heaven and Earth. In other words, even a Demon King of the highest level of the 5-Digit is hardly can ascend to the 4-Digit

 

[Godsatoshi23]

All 3-Digit gods have equal Spiritual Status, with only exception is Queen Halloween whom outclassed them. Moreover, from the 2-Digit onwards it's already impossible to enter fighting-stage, as they are completely boundless from various restraints of the 3-Digit

“Ultimately speaking, people in Three Digits had equal spirit level. 「Queen」 was the only rule breaker. The Two Digits above this – reaching 「Full Authority Territory」 – can’t even enter the battle stage.”

“...Can’t even enter?”

“Ah ah. Shiroyoruō is a classic example. If she could not control the total mass of the origin of universe, she could not reach geocentrism. That person reached 「Full Authority Territory」 with just two authorities.”

「Full Authority Territory」 — Not a metaphor, that was peak of territory that could only be reached when one received all authorities within one’s body. Likewise, 「Omnipotent Territory」 referred to the territory that received all abilities, but it did not mean omnipotent literally. In outside world, they might be almighty, but because of various paradoxes starting from 「Almighty Paradox」, they cannot freely use their omnipotence. Hence in a battle they must grant a portion of the omnipotence as Gift to others, let them fight on their behalf.

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Indra explained about the road to 2-Digit and nature of 2-Digit beings
~Volume 12, chapter 6~

“「Host Master」 was created for the sake of sealing that guy… Have you heard about this?”

“Mah, I more or less understand.”

“Then it makes explanation easier, the key point is that. ‘Giving humans all kinds of trials (Games) during the sealing period, nurturing heroes and bravery!’ This matter, although it was related to the spreading of Gift Game, only Demon Lords up to year 1999 were successfully settled. We also had most of our authorities sealed by 「Omnipotent Paradox」 and 「End Emptiness」 when the Game became widespread, really, trouble comes in pairs. Mah, although using this as the chance, we opened the path towards the Full Authority Floor (Little Garden two digit).”

“...There was no one in the two digit before?”

“No, there are four. They are the originals that held the existence of Brahman since birth. Their structure were completely different from us. Even now, including Gau****, there were about seventeen inside?”

It meant that most of the place were still empty. So many gods and buddhas were gathered, but only seventeen spots were filled in the two digits

 

[Godsatoshi23]

Unlike 3 and 2-Digit, 1-Digit beings have incomplete Spiritual Essence with spartial power. Prime example is End Emptiness, he can grant both 3-Digit and 2-Digit Authority to end all worlds (stories)
~Volume 12, chapter 9~

“According to this interpretation, One Digit can be said to be an incomplete spirit status with partial abilities. 「End Emptiness」 is the best example. It is a spirit body that granted 「Authority to end all worlds (tales)」 to all Omnipotent and Full Authority beings.”

“...That’s just, it isn’t an opponent in the dimension of winning or losing.”

 

[Ren1999]

Bump

 

[Highness]

Bump

 

[Ren1999]

Bump

 

[Highness]

Bump

 

[Iiliminal]

Common term to gauge the strength of each invidual or Community in Little Garden, there are total 7 parts of Digit levels, the smaller it have, the stronger you are. Even a difference between one Digit is like separation between Heaven and Earth, like one 3-Digit Divine Spirit can easily snapped a 4-Digit Demon King like insect, and so forth. Even a 5-Digit would have trouble to rise up into 4-Digit

7 to 6-Digit are lowest, 5th is in the middle, 4th and higher are in upper layer.

idk if thats enough to prove ontological difference, well with the other evidence it should be ok

 

[Highness]

Bump

 

[Highness]

abandoned I'm still waiting profile of tarouverse

 

[Iiliminal]

Soon… maybe in a million years idk

 

[Godsatoshi23]

I was little busy for some days so sorry, I tagged some staff to give there input so waiting for that now

 

[Antvasima]

@Mugen_no_Setsuna

Do you have any updates that you wish to make to your old blog before I ask some staff members to take a look at it?

 

[Mugen_no_Setsuna]

@Mugen_no_Setsuna

Do you have any updates that you wish to make to your old blog before I ask some staff members to take a look at it?

Yes, please wait until i update a few stuffs.

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. No problem.

Tell us here when you are done.

 

[Elizhaa]

I will wait for Mugen no Setsuna's inputs.

 

[Antvasima]

No problem. Thank you for helping out.