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Before talking about the CRT, I already sent a message to KingTempest's message wall asking for permission and reasoning for posting this since he complained about me posting the same CRT again.
It's really saddening that the staff members couldn't(or don't want to) understand the novel scan regarding base Naruto's feat but I'm going to put that aside for now.
It's time we talk about upgrading Hinata. I've spent all my time arguing for Naruto and even Sasuke that I forgot I had to argue for Hinata as well. This CRT is simply a copy/paste of what I proposed for Hinata in the first CRT I made alongside base Naruto.
Hinata(with Hamura's chakra) had enough Chakra reserve, control, and potency to make a weakened Base Naruto revert back into his BSM without showing any sign of exhaustion. IIRC, chakra control + chakra amount = AP in basic scaling for the Naruto/Borutoverse. This means Hinata with Hamura's amp should be low-end relative to Naruto but is still inferior with versatility, stats, and jutsus. In the war arc it's evidently shown how chakra amp+potency increases the AP of a Hyuga as Hinata went from blasting fodder woods;
to slapping away the Juubi palm using the same jutsu
So this does show that chakra amp+chakra potency= AP. Hinata(with Hamura's plot armor) would scale to BSM Naruto. She would still have "Unknown physically" but 5-B with Hamura's chakra since she only scales to base Naruto who is still unknown.
And before anyone disproves this by claiming Hinata never got an amp in the novel, just remember, Kishimoto personally worked on the movie, not the novel. He changed and introduced a lot of newer concepts and lore in the movie that didn't appear in the novel.
Raw Scan
Translation
Source: https://t.co/pnBKOPzXAr
The movie is also a better source for canonicity since it was the original.
The novel is just an incomplete and semi-changed adaptation of the movie which for some reason, didn't include Toneri absorbing Naruto's chakra at all which was a very notable plot moment in the movie and also gave Hinata the opportunity to show off her chakra reserve and potency feat which was twisted entirely in the novel.
Another method people use to invalidate her being in possession of Hamura's chakra stems from the fact that she made this statement. But that they seem to forget she also said this later in the movie. She possesses both the blood of Hamura(as a descendant) and received a chakra boost from Hamura. Mistaking the word "Blood" for "chakra" is something that shouldn't be happening. Even the Japanese version of the movie used the word "Ketsueki" which means (blood "血液" ), and the word "Chakura" which simply means (Chakra "チャクラ") on those occasions which means they aren't the same thing.
As a bit of an addition, Hinata was able to tank an attack from Toneri. Sai, Sakura and Shikamaru were blown away for the remainder of the battle despite the fact they luckily escaped getting slammed to the moon. This should upgrade Hinata's durability as well.
As another bit of an addition, we see very early in the movie where Naruto states that no one in the village would dare mess with Hinata which also serves as a supporting argument. Although, it doesn't mean she's stronger than everyone in the village. But it means Hinata is definitely able to contend with the top tiers in the village whether in AP or fighting capability.
The justification for the proposal would look like;
This is probably my most straightforward CRT yet. I would almost kms if this gets rebuked still. I can't afford to keep taking L's like this repeatedly. Peace✌
EDIT:
I'm making this short edit because of the few contentions I'm seeing here.
So far, there has been a main issue regarding the approval of Hinata replenishing BSM Naruto's chakra as a feat for her. I'm going to explain why it correlates with her upgrading to BSM Naruto's level in AP.
Firstly, I already linked a post to KingTempest earlier in the comments that was made by US69 explaining why Chakra+Potency/control=AP. In that post, there was a section that specifically claims that the more chakra+potency you have, the higher your AP becomes. He made other examples like how Kaguya became stronger when she took in chakra from the shinobi alliance or how Might Guy became stronger in AP when he released all his chakra limiters in 8th gate. He even makes different debunks to those who didn't believe chakra=AP. Like how he debunked those who claim kid Naruto would have been the strongest if chakra actually equaled AP or how he made other debunks such as this and this. All these debunks and posts made by US69 essentially mean Chakra does equal AP but it depends on the control of your chakra or the specific ability you use that could be hax-based that increases the AP of your jutsu. So even if Hinata(with Hamura's chakra) had an equal AP with BSM Naruto, Naruto would still emerge victorious in a battle since he ha far better skillsets, stats, and overall better jutsus that are more hax-based.
Even on this wiki, edo Hashirama has a AP tier that puts him at KCM 2 Naruto's level purely because he had more chakra than KCM 2 Naruto;
Just recently I asked KT what he thought about "Naruto claiming nobody in the village would want to mess with Hinata due to her strength as a shinobi" I asked if it could be served as the main argument while Hinata with Hamura's amp upgrade would be a supporting argument. But LordTracer replied by disagreein with the proposal because he thought it only serves as a supporting argument at best. I disagree with that notion because characters in this wiki already got upgrades specifically from statements alone.
Kabuto
Eida
Sakura
Boruto
So if a statement is enough to make a tier upgrade for Boruto, Sakura, Hashirama, etc, then there is no reason why it shouldn't be enough for Hinata especially when she still has a piece of supporting evidence with Hamura's chakra upgrade. My justification for Hinata's upgrade still remains the same;
These were the people who agreed with Hinata's CRT last time but I needed staff member's opinion on it which I couldn't get, unfortunately.
Agreed: Ssgengar, GTsek, Jebxtz, Darsh748, YoutubeForKing, Halkum145, ShrekAlmighty, Nierre, Shadowbokunohero, LordGriffin1000, DarkDragonMedeus, Nehz_XZX
Disagreed: Testarossa
Neutral: Deceived(leaning towards agreement)
It's really saddening that the staff members couldn't(or don't want to) understand the novel scan regarding base Naruto's feat but I'm going to put that aside for now.
It's time we talk about upgrading Hinata. I've spent all my time arguing for Naruto and even Sasuke that I forgot I had to argue for Hinata as well. This CRT is simply a copy/paste of what I proposed for Hinata in the first CRT I made alongside base Naruto.
Hinata(with Hamura's chakra) had enough Chakra reserve, control, and potency to make a weakened Base Naruto revert back into his BSM without showing any sign of exhaustion. IIRC, chakra control + chakra amount = AP in basic scaling for the Naruto/Borutoverse. This means Hinata with Hamura's amp should be low-end relative to Naruto but is still inferior with versatility, stats, and jutsus. In the war arc it's evidently shown how chakra amp+potency increases the AP of a Hyuga as Hinata went from blasting fodder woods;
to slapping away the Juubi palm using the same jutsu
So this does show that chakra amp+chakra potency= AP. Hinata(with Hamura's plot armor) would scale to BSM Naruto. She would still have "Unknown physically" but 5-B with Hamura's chakra since she only scales to base Naruto who is still unknown.
And before anyone disproves this by claiming Hinata never got an amp in the novel, just remember, Kishimoto personally worked on the movie, not the novel. He changed and introduced a lot of newer concepts and lore in the movie that didn't appear in the novel.
Raw Scan
Translation
Source: https://t.co/pnBKOPzXAr
The movie is also a better source for canonicity since it was the original.
The novel is just an incomplete and semi-changed adaptation of the movie which for some reason, didn't include Toneri absorbing Naruto's chakra at all which was a very notable plot moment in the movie and also gave Hinata the opportunity to show off her chakra reserve and potency feat which was twisted entirely in the novel.
Another method people use to invalidate her being in possession of Hamura's chakra stems from the fact that she made this statement. But that they seem to forget she also said this later in the movie. She possesses both the blood of Hamura(as a descendant) and received a chakra boost from Hamura. Mistaking the word "Blood" for "chakra" is something that shouldn't be happening. Even the Japanese version of the movie used the word "Ketsueki" which means (blood "血液" ), and the word "Chakura" which simply means (Chakra "チャクラ") on those occasions which means they aren't the same thing.
As a bit of an addition, Hinata was able to tank an attack from Toneri. Sai, Sakura and Shikamaru were blown away for the remainder of the battle despite the fact they luckily escaped getting slammed to the moon. This should upgrade Hinata's durability as well.
As another bit of an addition, we see very early in the movie where Naruto states that no one in the village would dare mess with Hinata which also serves as a supporting argument. Although, it doesn't mean she's stronger than everyone in the village. But it means Hinata is definitely able to contend with the top tiers in the village whether in AP or fighting capability.
The justification for the proposal would look like;
Attack Potency: Small Planet Level+, possibly Planet Level (Naruto claims that based on Hinata's strength, no one in the village would dare mess with her, indicating her relativity to anybody from the village which would include Naruto. After receiving a massive chakra amp from Hamura, Hinata's chakra reserves drastically improved in size and potency till the point she completely replenished Bijju Sage Mode Naruto's chakra reserves after it got absorbed by Toneri. Hyuga members are able to increase their AP drastically after getting a chakra boost from a source as seen in the war arc where Hinata went from producing little power with her air palm, to deflecting the arm of the ten tails usign the same jutsu but with a kyubi chakra amp. This means Hinata with Hamura's chakra is able to output BSM Naruto's level of attack power.
This is probably my most straightforward CRT yet. I would almost kms if this gets rebuked still. I can't afford to keep taking L's like this repeatedly. Peace✌
EDIT:
I'm making this short edit because of the few contentions I'm seeing here.
So far, there has been a main issue regarding the approval of Hinata replenishing BSM Naruto's chakra as a feat for her. I'm going to explain why it correlates with her upgrading to BSM Naruto's level in AP.
Firstly, I already linked a post to KingTempest earlier in the comments that was made by US69 explaining why Chakra+Potency/control=AP. In that post, there was a section that specifically claims that the more chakra+potency you have, the higher your AP becomes. He made other examples like how Kaguya became stronger when she took in chakra from the shinobi alliance or how Might Guy became stronger in AP when he released all his chakra limiters in 8th gate. He even makes different debunks to those who didn't believe chakra=AP. Like how he debunked those who claim kid Naruto would have been the strongest if chakra actually equaled AP or how he made other debunks such as this and this. All these debunks and posts made by US69 essentially mean Chakra does equal AP but it depends on the control of your chakra or the specific ability you use that could be hax-based that increases the AP of your jutsu. So even if Hinata(with Hamura's chakra) had an equal AP with BSM Naruto, Naruto would still emerge victorious in a battle since he ha far better skillsets, stats, and overall better jutsus that are more hax-based.
Even on this wiki, edo Hashirama has a AP tier that puts him at KCM 2 Naruto's level purely because he had more chakra than KCM 2 Naruto;
So this is even an accepted method of AP upscale on the wiki already which makes sense since it was already explained that the more chakra you have, the higher your AP becomes as long as you're able to control them very well. So Hinata being able to control such a large amount of chakra and refilling BSM Naruto without facing any sort or form of exhaustion should scale her to BSM Naruto in AP.Attack Potency: As an Edo Tensei, he stated that he had more chakra than both Naruto and 50% Kurama combined[14]
Just recently I asked KT what he thought about "Naruto claiming nobody in the village would want to mess with Hinata due to her strength as a shinobi" I asked if it could be served as the main argument while Hinata with Hamura's amp upgrade would be a supporting argument. But LordTracer replied by disagreein with the proposal because he thought it only serves as a supporting argument at best. I disagree with that notion because characters in this wiki already got upgrades specifically from statements alone.
Kabuto
Kabuto got upgraded to town level merely just by a statement made by Jiraiya and Orochimaru. It was considered to be enough for a main evidence.
Eida
Another character that virtually has no combat feat at all yet was upgraded to 5-B based on a statement even after she claims she isn't really much of a fighter you should depend on physically. Although, I do agree she's stronger than Jigen even without hax, there is no supporting evidence for her here. This is why she is given the "possible" and "likely" terms which is understandable.Attack Potency: Unknown, possibly at least Planet level, likely Large Planet level (Stated to be one of several cyborgs that greatly surpassed Jigen's power)
Sakura
Once again, another character is upgraded purely by statements made by Hashirama and the databook. They were also considered as main pieces of evidence to upgrade Sakura to Naruto and Sasuke's level. Once again, I'm not arguing that it shouldn't be used, but if it can be used for a specific character, then it should apply to other characters as well.Attack Potency: Large Mountain level+with the Strength of a Hundred Seal (Hashirama Senju stated that her strength might be greater than Tsunade’s, and she doesn’t have to waste any chakra on maintaining a youthful appearance like Tsunade does[23]. Stated to have the strength of Tsunade[24]. 100H Sakura, KCM Naruto and EMS Sasuke were all portrayed as being comparable to each other[23][25][26][27])
Boruto
This statement is almost identical to Naruto's statement of claiming Hinata shouldn't be messed with by anyone on the village. Both Boruto and Hinata in these cases were considered "strong/skillful" enough to not get messed with by anyone in their respective comparisons. This statement is the only reason why pre-academy Boruto is the only kid in his generation to have a tier.City Block level: (Even as a ninja academy student, Boruto was hailed by his peers and even teachers to be an incredibly skilled shinobi for his age, with Kakashi Hatake comparing Boruto's skill to that of a Chunin despite the latter not even being a Genin
So if a statement is enough to make a tier upgrade for Boruto, Sakura, Hashirama, etc, then there is no reason why it shouldn't be enough for Hinata especially when she still has a piece of supporting evidence with Hamura's chakra upgrade. My justification for Hinata's upgrade still remains the same;
Attack Potency: Small Planet Level+, possibly Planet Level (Naruto claims that based on Hinata's strength, no one in the village would dare mess with her, indicating her relativity to anybody from the village which would include Naruto). After receiving a massive chakra amp from Hamura, Hinata's chakra reserves drastically improved in size and potency till the point she completely replenished Bijju Sage Mode Naruto's chakra reserves after it got absorbed by Toneri. Hyuga members are able to increase their AP drastically after getting a chakra boost from a source as seen in the war arc where Hinata went from producing little power with her air palm, to deflecting the arm of the ten tails usign the same jutsu but with a kyubi chakra amp. This means Hinata with Hamura's chakra possesses attack potency on the level of Bijju Sage mode Naruto.
These were the people who agreed with Hinata's CRT last time but I needed staff member's opinion on it which I couldn't get, unfortunately.
Agreed: Ssgengar, GTsek, Jebxtz, Darsh748, YoutubeForKing, Halkum145, ShrekAlmighty, Nierre, Shadowbokunohero, LordGriffin1000, DarkDragonMedeus, Nehz_XZX
Disagreed: Testarossa
Neutral: Deceived(leaning towards agreement)
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