Mad_Dog_of_Fujiwara
She/Her- 9,412
- 11,002
Anyways I'm sure everyone's sick of Touhou CRTs by now but I promise this won't have anything wildly controversial.
Mind Manipulation Changes
I have some issues with how everyone who's resisted the effects of the true moon has resistance to mind manipulation, as this is clearly a case of madness manipulation. On top of that, most characters who've shrugged off the true moon were later affected by other forms of mind manipulation, such as Suika gathering everyone's minds during IaMP and Miyoi's memory manipulation clearly affecting Reimu and Marisa.
So I propose that everyone who currently has resistance to mind manipulation should get resistance to madness manipulation instead, except for Yukari, Koishi, and Reisen, as they have other justifications for their resistances.
Yes, I know madness manipulation is sort of considered a sub-ability of mind manipulation, but it doesn't seem right to assume characters who can resist one very specific use of that ability can resist everything that ability is capable of.
Everyone With Space or Time Manipulation
Every character who currently has either Spatial Manipulation or Time Manipulation listed in their profiles should instead have Space-Time Manipulation, as space and time are inseparable in Touhou, and you cannot manipulate one without affecting the other. This is the explanation given for why Sakuya has spatial manipulation, and there's no reason it shouldn't extend to every other character with similar abilities.
The following characters would be affected by this change:Q: In EoSD, who is the person Patchouli called "the person who likes to play around with time and space"?
A: That is of course referring to Sakuya.
Sakuya controls duration of time, not single moments of time.
In the former case of "duration of time", you can't separate it from space.
Because of that, manipulating time also means manipulating space, and vice-versa.
Reimu
Alice
Youmu
Yuyuko
Tewi
Komachi
Doremy
Futo
Seiga
All Youkai
Every youkai should have Resistance to Disease Manipulation since according to Eirin in BAiJR, they seemingly do not get sick.
Should also get Longevity, since in PMiSS Akyuu states that youkai have longer lifespans than humans, and in CoLA Rinnosuke says that he doesn't age.
Reimu
Has Portal Creation as shown here.
Perception Manipulation from one of her spell cards making people see numerous copies of herself.
BFR from her last word in ULiL, which traps an opponent inside a gap. This should be functionally equivalent to Yukari's BFR, as they both use the same method.
Finally, a little note about durability scaling. Here we see Reimu get smacked around by Oni Kasen, who shortly after tells Reimu that she'll eat her alive (and has the corpses of everyone else she's killed to prove she's serious), so she was definitely hitting with the intent to kill. We should probably add this to Reimu's profile as a durability justification since this is something most Touhou profiles lack (
Yukari
Should have unconventional resistance to Energy Absorption and Power Nullification, as she was capable of using energy stored in her gaps to temporarily negate the aftereffects of being possessed, which drains youkai of their magical energy, causing them to fall into a coma and lose their abilities.
I think this is enough to prove that it's power null/energy absorption so here's the actual scan of Yukari's thing.
Also has Paralysis Inducement from one of her spell cards in Scarlet Weather Rhapsody.
Lastly I have a question regarding her mind manipulation; why don't we consider it combat applicable? If there are scans proving it I'd like to see them, otherwise the "likely not combat applicable" part should be removed.
Yuyuko
Has Time Manipulation from stopping the night during Imperishable Night. While she claims Kaguya was responsible, neither Kaguya nor Youmu believe her. Alice has time manipulation for the exact same reason so I don't know why this wouldn't apply to Yuyuko.
—so, does that mean you're the one
who's stopping the night?
Huh?
Lady Yuyuko, isn't that...?
I could never do something so cruel.
Trust me on that one.
I said this just a minute ago, but she has to
be the one who's stopping the night. Surely.
No, um, I think that's...
Wrong. I said that, didn't I?
Well, whatever.
You're so eager to fight with me, so shall we begin?
Youmu
Should get Time Manipulation due to this. Reimu also states that time was slowed down for her as well, which means this clearly isn't enhanced senses or a speed amp.
Should also get Weather Manipulation from being able to steal spring, which was noticeably affecting Gensokyo's climate.I thought she would only swing her swords around, but she had actually danmaku to my surprise. I wonder if there was a point to her slowing down time other than giving me a break.
Suika
Should get Power Nullification due to this spell card (and a stronger version of it shown here) dispersing a character's spirit power. To elaborate further, spirit power is what allows a character to use spell cards and fly in the grounded fighters, so losing access to spirit power (and by extension spell cards/flight) is power null.
Chi Manipulation from one of her SWR skill cards.
Flandre
Should get Extrasensory Perception, as she was able to detect that Meiling was possessed because she could "feel a powerful malice inside the mansion".
Kasen
Light Manipulation via creating orbs of light with her right hand in WaHH.
Soul Manipulation and BFR as she was able to send Reimu's soul directly to Avici.
Chen & Ran
For Chen, replace below average intelligence with at least gifted, as she was capable of analyzing the movements of every phantom in the Netherworld in order to find a few that were moving out of order. This should also both give them Information Analysis.
Hourai Immortals
Should get resistance to Disease Manipulation from this.
Byakuren, Miko, and Eirin
All three of them should get Memory Manipulation from chapter 35 of WaHH, where it's either stated or heavily implied they have the ability to erase memories with magic (or drugs in Eirin's case).
Sakuya
Should have Resistance to Time Stop, as in PoFV, when time is stopped by another Sakuya, she's still able to move freely. This is not game mechanics, as every other character in the game is frozen, so it was an intentional decision to give Sakuya the ability to move in someone else's stopped time (even if that 'someone else' is another Sakuya).
As a final note, can we at least try to make new pages for the rest of the verse? The majority of the WBaWC cast is missing despite the game being out for well over 2 years now (and Kutaka's page scales her to Urumi despite Urumi not having a page), nobody from UM even has a page at all, and Miyoi is the only print work character to not have a page. I'd be willing to help with the pages if that means anything, though I don't really have much experience creating wiki pages.
Last edited: