Iggy/the fool not being 8-C

[ZillertheBucko]

why is iggy not high 8-C when the statements and feats on his profile suggest that he should be comparable to the other stardust crusaders?

 

[chosen]

Taht what i was thinking too
I Think is shown iggy fighting avdol and dameging him albeit idk if is anime only

 

[EmilioRory10]

I Think is shown iggy fighting avdol and dameging him

I don't remember that

 

[chosen]

I don't remember that

here
I remember the damage to be more major ngl

 

[ZillertheBucko]

ok I think it's time for a crt then, this is kinda dumb to not be proof of 8-C

 

[chosen]

ok I think it's time for a crt then, this is kinda dumb to not be proof of 8-C

I Think here is anime onky stuff so you must look if is also in the manga
Albeit avdol did said pollnareff can't beat iggy and that he shouldn't be fighting him

 

[chosen]

https://***********.com/read-online/Stardust-Crusaders-chapter-6-page-13.html

The context seem to refer to his stand ability though

 

[EmilioRory10]

I Think here is anime onky stuff so you must look if is also in the manga
Albeit avdol did said pollnareff can't beat iggy and that he shouldn't be fighting him

Well, sand manip is kind of a counter to Silver Chariot, so Idk about scaling The Fool to Chariot

 

[chosen]

Well, sand manip is kind of a counter to Silver Chariot, so Idk about scaling The Fool to Chariot

Well an speed crt for iggy should work at least since he shouldn't be unkown imo

 

[ZillertheBucko]

jotaro legit states that he doesn't know if he could beat its strength
hell, even the stand stats suggest that he is close to silver chariot and star platinum
and then there's the scene of Polnareff simply getting owned by the fool
and then iggy was going to literally try to kill vanilla ice with a chop, who has 8-C durability
iggy has absolutely no reason to be downplayed to 9-A bruh the wiki gotta fix their shit
I'm gonna make a crt soon probs, there's enough evidence

 

[EmilioRory10]

jotaro legit states that he doesn't know if he could beat its strength

He's referring to the ability, it's pretty much a counter, he himself says "I see... The simpler it is, the stronger it is"

hell, even the stand stats suggest that he is close to silver chariot and star platinum

I don't think we use stand stats

and then there's the scene of Polnareff simply getting owned by the fool

The Fool is a counter to Silver Chariot as a whole

and then iggy was going to literally try to kill vanilla ice with a chop, who has 8-C durability

Fair

 

[ZillertheBucko]

He's referring to the ability, it's pretty much a counter, he himself says "I see... The simpler it is, the stronger it is"

"stronger" is a specific word choice, and usually jojo differenciates strength, speed, and other things with their word choice

I don't think we use stand stats

I know, although the wiki kinda should use stand stats since 99% of stand stats can be explained easily, and the others can just be considered outliers

The Fool is a counter to Silver Chariot as a whole

ok but he still was unable to move his sword, which is still showing his strength somewhat

Fair

this argument is probably enough to get the change now that I think about it
but still, everything else should be included for justification (maybe not stand stats, since that probs gets toxic real fast no matter what)

 

[EmilioRory10]

"stronger" is a specific word choice, and usually jojo differenciates strength, speed, and other things with their word choice

He means that the ability is strong, not that The Fool itself is strong

I know, although the wiki kinda should use stand stats since 99% of stand stats can be explained easily, and the others can just be considered outliers

The thing is that stand stats were created in Golden Wind, so I doubt they should be used for Stardust Crusaders and DiU (especially Stardust Crusaders as it's older)

ok but he still was unable to move his sword, which is still showing his strength somewhat

I think that's lifting strength, and Chariot's lifting strength doesn't seem that high tbh

Anyway, I think I agree with 8-C overall

 

[ZillertheBucko]

He means that the ability is strong, not that The Fool itself is strong

The thing is that stand stats were created in Golden Wind, so I doubt they should be used for Stardust Crusaders and DiU (especially Stardust Crusaders as it's older)

I think that's lifting strength, and Chariot's lifting strength doesn't seem that high tbh

Anyway, I think I agree with 8-C overall

ok cool
I still think there's room to debate about stand stats since they could technically be lumped in with statements, or maybe author statements? It's strange because stand stats are a system that is not technically "canon" unlike for example dragon ball where power levels are actually a measurement so
stats being added in afterwards really don't change anything, as long as they're still official
I've always really had this opinion about stand stats, but I may need to wait for part 6 anime so I can actually fully argue in favor of them
if I eventually can get stand stats to be allowed then there might even be a possibility of part 4 speed increase to ftl/mftl
anyways fair point about lifting strength
the scene with avdol fighting iggy may not be in the manga, but it's still official approved material and whatnot, but I'm unsure what the wiki rules say about that so I remain neutral on that point rn

 

[ZillertheBucko]

I forgor about this thread
should probably make the crt soon