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Why do u need a 2-A dimensional travel to scape from a 2-A BFR when u can just open a portal back to ur previous Universe?
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About ''2-A BFR''
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Because you are teleported away a distance of infinite universes. it would be a NLF to assume you could just go back to your universe regardless of distance without feats.
In order to get back to your original universe, you would need 2-A range.
In order to get back to your original universe, you would need 2-A range.
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Why? The character just need to open a single portal to go back to his own universe, a portal connect 2 places
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You need feats that show said portal can go across a distance of infinite universes. Being able to open a portal doesn’t automatically mean you can go anywhere regardless of distance.
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it doesnt need to go across a distance of infinites universes, it just need to go to his own universe, and opening a portal conect 1 point to other, so, if u can go to ur universe with a portal, u can avoid a ''2-A BFR''
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That would assume that all the universes are directly next to said original universes. If you have feats of a portal having 2-A range, then well you can get back from a 2-A range BFR.
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Why? No, it doesnt need to, it just need to open a single portal to a single one universe
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And you would need 2-A range to do so, since to connect the two, the portal would need to reach the distance of infinite universes. It’s not just two universes that need to be connected via a portal, but the distance between it (aka, 2-A)
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Why? its just open a portal, why would someone need 2-A range to open a portal?
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Pretty sure "Muh i can go anywhere with portal" is an NLF. If someone yeets you infinite universes away , you need to have feats that your portal can take you infinite universes away.
Arcker123
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This seems like an NLF that could apply to anything
Guy with interdimensional range gets BFR'd 1-A distance, I guess he just portal back to his previous universe.
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Thats a different case, a 1-A distance is beyond anything that is 4-D, however, a 2-A BFR still is 4-D, same applies to someone who can travel into different parallel universes that arent infinite
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I think you're assuming that the universes are all simultaneously in the same place at the same time, like they're on top of each other, so you just open a portal directly to it since you're technically already on top of it. Thing is, we can't assume that without context and I think the other people in this thread are thinking of it like the universes are next to each other, making an infinite line of universes. They're thinking that you've been sent from one to an infinite number of universes away. As such, you'd have to travel past all those universes to reach that one you want, making it infinite and 2-A range.
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Also keep in mind even in 4-D there are different levels of infinity and you need the feats/statements that your AP, range, durability, etc can cover all of them.
A simple explanation is this: if character A BFR character B to the moon and character B immediately teleports back then that's a legit feat however we don't automatically assume character B's teleportation would still work if they were BFR to another galaxy since it was never showed nor stated they could return from that range of BFR.
A simple explanation is this: if character A BFR character B to the moon and character B immediately teleports back then that's a legit feat however we don't automatically assume character B's teleportation would still work if they were BFR to another galaxy since it was never showed nor stated they could return from that range of BFR.
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Well the thing that spun this entire thread is, can Obito come back from someone BFR ing him into another uninverse totally? Since he can go into other people time spaces and back
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Well, Obito case isnt the only, as I saw the same thing in Arceus threads
PrinceofPein
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Then i guess you can call in staffs or someone knowledgeable in stuffs like this to answer
Rikimarox2
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You are by default assuming Portals have infinite range, and can go anywhere.
“If a person was BFR'd multiple planets away, why can't he just teleport back? It's E Z”, that's not how we do things. You need actual feats, otherwise you would find anyone with portal creation being sent back to their planets even if they are millions of light years away. If you want to change it, then you are free to make a CRT, but it would likely go nowhere.
“If a person was BFR'd multiple planets away, why can't he just teleport back? It's E Z”, that's not how we do things. You need actual feats, otherwise you would find anyone with portal creation being sent back to their planets even if they are millions of light years away. If you want to change it, then you are free to make a CRT, but it would likely go nowhere.
PrinceofPein
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Obito is not creating portals tho, he can go anywhere he has gone before through his kamui dimension inside his eyes.
but for people creating portals idk welp
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I mean... IDK...
I think it depends on the portal creation.
I've seen cases like Naruto where distance matters and can be very chakra consuming or even impossible past a certain distance, then with other portal creation it's just a matter of knowing where you're traveling to...
Similar to instant Transmission. Where distance isn't shown to cause strain, or be more difficult, or consume more stamina; it's merely a matter of knowing the location. And since we treat teleportation like that in 3D, if a teleportation ability works similarly, but on a 4D scale... It makes sense that they'd come back from 2-A BRF even without 2-A range.
That's just my opinion though.
I think it depends on the portal creation.
I've seen cases like Naruto where distance matters and can be very chakra consuming or even impossible past a certain distance, then with other portal creation it's just a matter of knowing where you're traveling to...
Similar to instant Transmission. Where distance isn't shown to cause strain, or be more difficult, or consume more stamina; it's merely a matter of knowing the location. And since we treat teleportation like that in 3D, if a teleportation ability works similarly, but on a 4D scale... It makes sense that they'd come back from 2-A BRF even without 2-A range.
That's just my opinion though.
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Imagine it like this:
You have a 2 universe cosmology and those universes are aligned in a line. We are stricly speaking about teleportation done via portals and assume the most common version of portal teleportation, wormholes, which connects 2 points in space through a tunnel. We ignore the additional requirement that those 2 points have to be close by via space spending, because authors in 99% of all cases arent even aware of that part probably. Why am i prefacing my explanation with this definition? Because i assume that whatever youre going to talk about is roughly working like this. This dosnt apply to all of Fiction and authors will have their own crackpod versions. If they have, the only thing that matters is feats and mechanics.
As you might already have guessed from that part above, the reason why the size of the distance matters is because your run of the mill portal has to cross that distance. The distance between 2 neighbouring universe is smaller of that between Universe 1 to Universe 7, assuming a line. Even if you dont assume a line, but lets say a big chaotic cluster, the same principle is at work but the distances between specific universes becomes abitary. This becomes more apparent when we talk about a infinite amount of universes,.
Lets condence the issues of distance for a portal user:
Range: His portal creation just dosnt reach that far. Like a handgun that cant reach its target
Awareness: He might have enough range to create such a portal, but he still cant reach it because he cant perceive the point he wants to reach. Like a fictional sniper that could shoot something across the solar system but it handled by a normal human. You woudnt be able to hit something on that distance.
Time: Everything above is cleared but youre trying to reach something a infinite amount of distance away. Regardless of how fast you are, if your speed is not infinite then you will never reach something an infinite distance away.
Again, this is the baseline logic. This dosnt apply to all of fiction, you will always find someone who invents his own mechanics. This is why feats and mechanics are important, because every author operates under his own logic and understanding of concepts.
You have a 2 universe cosmology and those universes are aligned in a line. We are stricly speaking about teleportation done via portals and assume the most common version of portal teleportation, wormholes, which connects 2 points in space through a tunnel. We ignore the additional requirement that those 2 points have to be close by via space spending, because authors in 99% of all cases arent even aware of that part probably. Why am i prefacing my explanation with this definition? Because i assume that whatever youre going to talk about is roughly working like this. This dosnt apply to all of Fiction and authors will have their own crackpod versions. If they have, the only thing that matters is feats and mechanics.
As you might already have guessed from that part above, the reason why the size of the distance matters is because your run of the mill portal has to cross that distance. The distance between 2 neighbouring universe is smaller of that between Universe 1 to Universe 7, assuming a line. Even if you dont assume a line, but lets say a big chaotic cluster, the same principle is at work but the distances between specific universes becomes abitary. This becomes more apparent when we talk about a infinite amount of universes,.
Lets condence the issues of distance for a portal user:
Range: His portal creation just dosnt reach that far. Like a handgun that cant reach its target
Awareness: He might have enough range to create such a portal, but he still cant reach it because he cant perceive the point he wants to reach. Like a fictional sniper that could shoot something across the solar system but it handled by a normal human. You woudnt be able to hit something on that distance.
Time: Everything above is cleared but youre trying to reach something a infinite amount of distance away. Regardless of how fast you are, if your speed is not infinite then you will never reach something an infinite distance away.
Again, this is the baseline logic. This dosnt apply to all of fiction, you will always find someone who invents his own mechanics. This is why feats and mechanics are important, because every author operates under his own logic and understanding of concepts.
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Arceus has 2-A BFR
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Obito needed amp to access kaguya's dimensions with sakura chakra
PrinceofPein
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Kaguya time space is different, the point there was time space. Kaguya can restrict and control everything in her dimension. but what i was saying was that he can travel through time space.
The reasons why he needed chakra was
1. He has been fighting for days and he was out of chakra
2. he was a jinchuuriki that lost his bijuu (And yes you die when that happens)
3. He just used the rinnegan reincarnation technique on madara (You know you also die when you use this since it uses a large amount of chakra)
4. also he is not simply moving through the time space, since he did that pretty fine, he moved himself and sakura into the other time space with ease even, what requires lot of cjhakra is opening a portal, keeping the portal open and searching for sasuke.
two things that should have killed anyone happened to him so its not a stretch to say he has no chakra left, since he was even passed out prior to the scenario
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Yakagi Suimei Abreq Ad Habra erases its target from existence, along with all bonds they have with the world, and sends Gods back to the astral plane, which is a conceptual realm that contains all creation, which consists of multiple sets of infinite universes.
About this topic though as other said i don't think just cause you can open portals between universes, means you can come back from being sent an infinite distance away without fetas.
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Doesn't interdimensional range make it where you don't need the 2-A range?
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Actually interdimensional is just different realms of one universe, like a pocket dimension or something.
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What if a verse has a 2-A cosmology but a character has a skill that yeets you to any other universes in its cosmology? All you get for the description is. "Go to some other space-time continuum."
Does that make it 2-A BFR?
Does that make it 2-A BFR?
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If they do just toss you into any of the other universes in an infinite multiverse at random then yeah, its 2-A cuz there's literally an infinite amount of universes it could toss you to and it being random doesn't affect it because the range of 2-A remains the same.
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That's extremely useful information thank you!
