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The point is that destroying Anos' physical body does not mean that you have killed him... so it will have no effect unless Anos dies, but you are not killing Anos just by destroying his physical body.
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Anos vs Something Evil
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Destroying the physical body would be enough to give the daughters the SL stuff, is my point
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U need to prove that it applies to others verses, because u send 0 proof about the guardians being their source itself, Arnos is the source, as the source is what makes someone what they are, the rest is a vessel, u need to prove that the guardians are a vessel
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Clearly the description of the SL says "By killing their enemies", you are not killing Anos so you are not getting boost
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Its killing from the SL's "point of view", which is all that matters
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It does not work outside of the verse if u dont prove that the guardians that were killed are their source itself, because its different if a character is a person but have a source/concept, Maou Gakuin case is that the Person is the source and the body is only a vessel, the Sword Logic wont work
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Wtf.... Funny, that also applies to Anos? since from "my point of view"Anos only needs to kill them since he can negate their Immortalities and pass their regeneration with Decapitation Ultimate Punishment Execution.
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You are trying to apply a weakness that doesnt exist. If the body gets physically destroyed, it will count as a kill
The character being something that isnt their body is irrekevant since thats not the factor
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It is not the same case in Maou Gakuin, that is a weakness in Destiny verse, but it wont work to Arnos because Maou Gakuin works different
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Can you please read what I say a little better? I said the hierarchy isn't accepted, not the 99*countless. And you still haven't answered my question. Where does it being countless come from?
Everything else you said just doesn't matter for reasons explained by Oblivion.
Oryx and his sisters also only used projections and avatars, not their true selves or Oversouls. Didn't stop them from farming Sword Logic.
Besides your argument is flawed. The Source is treated as the equivalent of a person's concept here. So considering that Sword Logic works even if you just destroy the physical body of another, it would work here as well.
Everything else you said just doesn't matter for reasons explained by Oblivion.
Oryx and his sisters also only used projections and avatars, not their true selves or Oversouls. Didn't stop them from farming Sword Logic.
Besides your argument is flawed. The Source is treated as the equivalent of a person's concept here. So considering that Sword Logic works even if you just destroy the physical body of another, it would work here as well.
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Anos doesnt have sword logic so it wont apply to him
And before you say verse equalization, it was brought up before and it was rejected. Basically only SL users can disfruit of such luxury.
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It is, because they need to be killed, and Arnos wont be killed because his body is not what Arnos is
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The physical body perishing isn't considered death in Maou Gakuin, and a character does not truly die until their source is destroyed.
If their sword logic really only requires the enemy's physical body to perish, then it should work against Anos and result in a stomp.
If their sword logic requires the enemy to actually die, then it won't work against Anos.
From what I've seen, the characters from Destiny were actually killed, and simply revived due to immortality, which isn't the same as Anos reviving from his source.
If their sword logic really only requires the enemy's physical body to perish, then it should work against Anos and result in a stomp.
If their sword logic requires the enemy to actually die, then it won't work against Anos.
From what I've seen, the characters from Destiny were actually killed, and simply revived due to immortality, which isn't the same as Anos reviving from his source.
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Countless Universes for each layer
Now they are Avatars... ok... The point is that they were being killed continuously, Anos is not being killed by destroying his physical body, since he is only a vessel and does not represent death for him.
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The physical body perishing isnt considered true death in MG, but you still die temporarily, and is able to come back later
But yes this part is correct
But yes this part is correct
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Nobody has been able to demonstrate that this is the requirement, so for my part it will not be taken into account, and as I said, destroying your physical body does not mean death because the source is what gives the concept of life, just as anos can use magic from his source without the need of a physical body, that means that he has never died for having his physical body destroyed.
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Thats not Death, because their person is the source
proof? u didnt showed any single proof, u just mentioned that it is like that cuz Oryx destroyed their body and it applied, but thats because the Deathsingers are their body, which isnt Maou Gakuin case
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The physical body being destroyed isn't seen as death by Ascendant Hive either. Can this argument stop getting brought up already?
Anos can't kill them in the first place.
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I am asking where there being countless universes come from. Stop saying: "There are countless universes", and start explaining what indicates this.
Never said they were something else.
Being destroyed down to his source isn't considered a true death for Anos.
Having their physical body destroyed isn't considered true death for Ascendant Hive.
The Daughters farm off of Anos. There's no way around this. The fact that they don't permanently kill Anos or that his true self is his source are both meaningless.
Stop repeating the same argument over and over when it has already been debunked.
Anos can't kill them in the first place.
@Dereck03
I am asking where there being countless universes come from. Stop saying: "There are countless universes", and start explaining what indicates this.
Never said they were something else.
Being destroyed down to his source isn't considered a true death for Anos.
Having their physical body destroyed isn't considered true death for Ascendant Hive.
The Daughters farm off of Anos. There's no way around this. The fact that they don't permanently kill Anos or that his true self is his source are both meaningless.
Stop repeating the same argument over and over when it has already been debunked.
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When Oryx klled his sisters, their Oversoul was still intact, and Oryx still got boosted by SL.
By your same logic, they were not truly dead, and Oryx still managed to usurp power
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"Besides your argument is flawed. The Source is treated as the equivalent of a person's concept here. So considering that Sword Logic works even if you just destroy the physical body of another, it would work here as well."
Besides Oryx and his sisters can survive beyond the complete destruction of their true selves, simply retreating further into their thrones. Yet they can farm off of merely destroying each other's physical bodies
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Send proofs that they arent their body, because having a body and a oversoul still doesnt change that they are their body
Not true, because Destiny doesnt have it as the body not being their person, unless u prove it
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Their true deaths only happen if their Oversoul is affected
"“We propose a method by which Ascendant souls can be detached and integrated into a tautological and autonomous thanatosphere, which we tentatively term an oversoul. Oversouls can be stored in a throne world as a mechanism of enhanced death resilience. As a side effect, new refinements to our Deathsong may be achieved, moving us closer to a generally effective paracausal death impulse.”
"“If we can separate our deaths from ourselves, and hide them, we will be hard to kill.”
"Your body is gone, but you have endured. Safe in the cyst universe created by your own might — your throne world."
This is all accepted and used on profiles already tbh.
Well they kinda do. They can only truly die if their oversoul is destroyed in the Throne Worlds. Otherwise, they are eternally "hidden" from death
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Uh so where does each layer having countless bubbles come from?
Also this one looks quite hyperbole compared to many other verses with a countless 2-B cosmology...
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Literally just look at my posts for proof. The physical body is also completely meaningless to Oryx and his sisters.
Also this one looks quite hyperbole compared to many other verses with a countless 2-B cosmology...
@Bernkastelll
Literally just look at my posts for proof. The physical body is also completely meaningless to Oryx and his sisters.
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But I didnt talked about true death, I talked about death in general, and the quote that u mentioned doesnt shows that they aren't their body
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thats not my point
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If Oryx's sisters were in their true body, they would have permanently died (since if you kill their true bodies in the Throne Worlds they dont come back)
But they didnt, so not true body.
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It does not
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I guess some people will just resort to ad-nausem now. Time to get this to close.
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Destroying the avatar of a character =/= destroying the physical body of a character in Maou Gakuin.
The avatar would still truly die, while a character in Maou Gakuin does not truly die until their source is destroyed.
The avatar would still truly die, while a character in Maou Gakuin does not truly die until their source is destroyed.
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I think it's best to close this thread, since the arguments from both sides seem rather circular.
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Lmfao sorry, the circular reasoning was my fault, I wanted to see if I could circunvent the situation due arguing it
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I know the thread has moved on a lot from this but uh
Concept Manip Type 2 can affect NEP type 2 per current standards, though from what I recall there are revisions in the works that will totally nuke NEP type 2, so make of that what you will.
Concept Manip Type 2 can affect NEP type 2 per current standards, though from what I recall there are revisions in the works that will totally nuke NEP type 2, so make of that what you will.
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