Plants vs. Zombies Discussion Thread: It's About Time! 🌱🧟‍♂️

[JustANormalLemon]

Also should Torchwood count as a wall plant?

Don't think so

Added that the powering Shadow Plants isnt exclusive to Moonflower (plants like Conceal-Mint and Noctarine can power them too) and added the Empowerment ability for Shadow Plants and PF

Not sure what the sentence "Long-term effects are partially permanent most of the time." means.

Me neitheir

 

[Ednaxel2]

Removed the puff-shroom example for normal plants (puff-shroom would fall under mushroom plants)

I forgot to remove that since that was before the idea of adding mushrooms

Also should Torchwood count as a wall plant?

I'm not sure, maybe not since he doesn't show damage overtime like Wall-nut or others, I think his only reason is for his durability

Added that the powering Shadow Plants isnt exclusive to Moonflower (plants like Conceal-Mint and Noctarine can power them too) and added the Empowerment ability for Shadow Plants and PF

That's good

Not sure what the sentence "Long-term effects are partially permanent most of the time." means.

Me neitheir

Think of a plant food like armored Wall-nut, that's permanent but partially permanent as Zombies can eat away the armor, should've phrased this better

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Think of a plant food like armored Wall-nut, that's permanent but partially permanent as Zombies can eat away the armor, should've phrased this better

nah, the plant food just creates a armour and goes away, there is not really "partially permanent" effect, the plant food was just creation and them the creation is destroyed

 

[Ednaxel2]

nah, the plant food just creates a armour and goes away, there is not really "partially permanent" effect, the plant food was just creation and them the creation is destroyed

The armor can't go away at all unless if its been destroyed by a Zombie

 

[JustANormalLemon]

The armor can't go away at all unless if its been destroyed by a Zombie

And? if I summon a armour for combat I'm also not taking It out, the oponent gonna need to break It to damage me

 

[Ednaxel2]

And? if I summon a armour for combat I'm also not taking It out, the oponent gonna need to break It to damage me

Whatever we'll just say some have a long term/permanent effect

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Whatever we'll just say some have a long term/permanent effect

just say It creates metalic armour, no need to make It so especific

 

[Ednaxel2]

just say It creates metalic armour, no need to make It so especific

This is for PF in general

 

[JustANormalLemon]

This is for PF in general

What I mean is, especifing that some are non permanent with lasting effects is not needed

 

[AmogusSusfunni]

Is there anything else we're missing for the profiles?

 

[Ednaxel2]

Is there anything else we're missing for the profiles?

I think Zombies are missing something but idk what

Are there any Zombie types that at least have 2 qualities different from other ones?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I think Zombies are missing something but idk what

Are there any Zombie types that at least have 2 qualities different from other ones?

Probable... I guess egipty can ride sandstorms and ice age ones can ride snow storms, both use this to start further in the lawm, but almost sure a lot of other can also do that in pinhatas, challenges and penny pursuit(I almost sure I remenber a pinhata party that aad chikens riding sandstorms too...)

What else?...flying zombies? They all share extreme weakness to wind manipulation being easily BFRed by all the 3 wind producing plants.... and they also can fly

FUNKING ZOMBOTANNY!!! zombies that have plant phisiology should 100% be mentioned

 

[Ednaxel2]

What's this for?

What else?...flying zombies? They all share extreme weakness to wind manipulation being easily BFRed by all the 3 wind producing plants.... and they also can fly

That seems like enough

ZOMBOTANNY!!! zombies that have plant phisiology should 100% be mentioned

HOW DID WE FORGET

I'll add flying and Zombotanny Zombies in, but idk what images to add for them since there's not really seed packets for them

 

[JustANormalLemon]

What's this for?

Sĥow how big the ap diference is betwig a max level and max mastery plant in pvz 2

That seems like enough

HOW DID WE FORGET

I'll add flying and Zombotanny Zombies in, but idk what images to add for them since there's not really seed packets for them

For flying zombie put almanaque ballon zombie incon, for zombotany just us a print from the level

 

[Ednaxel2]

Sĥow how big the ap diference is betwig a max level and max mastery plant in pvz 2

Well the difference isn't the same for all Plants, and we also don't have info on any wiki for the damage values for max mastery plants

For flying zombie put almanaque ballon zombie incon, for zombotany just us a print from the level

I'll try

 

[Ednaxel2]

I think the pages are now ready for the CRT

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Good luck we all

 

[Ednaxel2]

Good luck we all

What should we say in the CRT? Can we just propose for those pages to be made and done?

 

[Dragonite007]

What should we say in the CRT? Can we just propose for those pages to be made and done?

Yes

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Weren't the sombies supossed to also have ice age zombies as a type?(ps: ice age zombies also have a bit more life then regular zombies thanks to their thicker skull)

Also, if anyone want to find any other pathern for more types of zombies, be my guest

 

[Ednaxel2]

Weren't the sombies supossed to also have ice age zombies as a type?(ps: ice age zombies also have a bit more life then regular zombies thanks to their thicker skull)

Don't the stone age ones also have thicker skulls?

 

[Ednaxel2]

Oh I forgot to add renders for Flying and Zombotoney Zombies gimmie a sec

 

[Dragonite007]

Weren't the sombies supossed to also have ice age zombies as a type?(ps: ice age zombies also have a bit more life then regular zombies thanks to their thicker skull)

No?

They are a little faster, but they have the same HP, the exception is Jurassic Gargantuar (Can endure three Inta-kill)

 

[JustANormalLemon]

No?

They are a little faster, but they have the same HP, the exception is Jurassic Gargantuar (Can endure three Inta-kill)

You are mixing thigs up, ice age ones are even stated to be a little tougher, and only cone heads are faster in jurrasic world

 

[Ednaxel2]

I still don't see how this constitute to being a type, they're just statistically superior than regular zombies no real difference/addition in abilities

 

[Dragonite007]

You are mixing thigs up, ice age ones are even stated to be a little tougher, and only cone heads are faster in jurrasic world

No?? They have the same Toughness: average.
And while regular zombie is Basic in speed, Regular Jurassic zombie is Hungry in speed.

 

[Ednaxel2]

I'm will post a CRT for it shortly, anything you guys wanna warn me about?

 

[Ednaxel2]

Here it isss

Plants vs. Zombies: Physiology Pages

This CRT is meant to propose the following physiology pages for both the Plants and Zombies. https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:AmogusSusfunni/plantphysiology https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User:AmogusSusfunni/zombiephysiology For how the classification/types will look like on the...

vsbattles.com

 

[JustANormalLemon]

(Crazy Dave and Penny appear)
Crazy Dave: These Cave Zombies sure are hard headed.
Crazy Dave: They just won't take "no brains" for an answer.
Penny: According to my data, Neanderthal zombie skulls are 33.2 percent harder than other zombie skulls.
Penny: I purpose we deploy Chard Guard. He has a secret up his leaves.
Crazy Dave: You mean his ol' Knock 'Em Dead maneuver?
Crazy Dave: It'll knock those zombies back where they came from!
Penny: I guess it's not a secret any more, now is it User Dave?
(Crazy Dave and Penny leave)

Found It

Frostbite Caves - Day 10

For the Chinese version of the level, see Frostbite Caves - Day 10 (Chinese version). For the level before the v1.8 update, see Frostbite Caves - Day 10 (Chinese version: pre-1.8). Frostbite Caves - Day 10 is the tenth level of Frostbite Caves in Plants vs. Zombies 2. It is a Special Delivery...

plantsvszombies.fandom.com

 

[Ednaxel2]

Could Iceburg lettuce's Plant Food be calc worthy?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Could Iceburg lettuce's Plant Food be calc worthy?

Ainse It does no damage nothing woukd scale to that

 

[Dragonite007]

Ainse It does no damage nothing woukd scale to that

Mehh, its just Ice-shroom abilitie but without damage

 

[Ednaxel2]

Hm, also what alternative would you guys propose to the current PvZ2 scaling? Since mods are starting to go against it

Maybe just scale all plants and zombies to Meteor Flower's 8-C scaling and scale anyone with machined toughness or damage to City Block tier?

 

[JustANormalLemon]

Hm, also what alternative would you guys propose to the current PvZ2 scaling? Since mods are starting to go against it

Maybe just scale all plants and zombies to Meteor Flower's 8-C scaling and scale anyone with machined toughness or damage to City Block tier?

first thing we should do is take all the zombies "toughness" levels

 

[JustANormalLemon]

thouse don't use values so they can be considered "ranks of dura" of some sort

 

[Ednaxel2]

first thing we should do is take all the zombies "toughness" levels

thouse don't use values so they can be considered "ranks of dura" of some sort

Yeah those seem good to use

 

[Ednaxel2]

I just realized when Torchwood self destructs he does a similar feat to jalapeno, we can get a calc from that
Since Coneheads can tank that, and browncoats downscale from them by x2, we can find the baseline value from that

 

[JustANormalLemon]

I just realized when Torchwood self destructs he does a similar feat to jalapeno, we can get a calc from that
Since Coneheads can tank that, and browncoats downscale from them by x2, we can find the baseline value from that

Similar visually but in reallity is too much weaker and doon't have the "PULVERAZING A BIG ICE BALL" feat like the jalapeno and fire on It self is not that great to calc sinse we separated heat damage from normal damage in the wiki some time ago and now is considered a type of "dura neg" attack(think like burning a house, fire isn't building level alone but can destroy one quickly)

 

[JustANormalLemon]

what we can calc probable can be allstar zombies one shooting the nut's metal armour plant food sinse It kinda just desintegrates the nut armour

hum.... I don't think there is much more to calc in pvz 2

 

[Ednaxel2]

Similar visually but in reallity is too much weaker and doon't have the "PULVERAZING A BIG ICE BALL" feat like the jalapeno and fire on It self is not that great to calc sinse we separated heat damage from normal damage in the wiki some time ago and now is considered a type of "dura neg" attack(think like burning a house, fire isn't building level alone but can destroy one quickly)

Oh right it's elemental, that sucks

what we can calc probable can be allstar zombies one shooting the nut's metal armour plant food sinse It kinda just desintegrates the nut armour

Doubt it will get anywhere past 8-C which is generous

I think the best way we can rework all the stuff it just by doing this, no multipliers or leveling up included:
PvZ1:

• Ice-shroom's freezing is 8-C and it's light damage which is the lowest, so everyone at baseline is 8-C.
• Doom-shroom's explosion deal massive damage, anyone who has a massive damage rating would scale to him.

PvZ2:

• Even the lowest damaging plants like Peashooter or Bonk Choy can harm/kill a Conehead Zombies, who can tank Meteors from Meteor Flower which are 8-C, so everyone at baseline is 8-C.
• Zombies with machined toughness can tank Shadow Peashooter's Plant Food which is 8-C, Plants who can harm/kill them would scale.