All Visonaries are triple liners, being able to summon and use the power of the gods is a must for the Divine Visionaries.
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Working on Agito profile. Is he double liner or triple liner?
Not all visionary has triple lines as far as I see not to mention we didn't even get information about them having summon.
No
It was mentioned in the chapter where the Divine Visionaries were defeated.
I mean it would be neat, but anyone can make it so it's not on you.
Can you share the scans?
Not working. Tell me the chapter number I'll read it
Yeah but that was in the exam arc, not the contest proper, which would normally take months to get to. It can be understood that during this time skip, the wizard nominated would train and eventually unlock the power of the gods to become Divine Visionary.
This scan?
I have problem with this because Margarette was also stated to qualify for DV. With just being 2 liner. It wasn't mentioned that all DV should be 3 liners.
I mean do we have statement for them training the passed candidates and activating their third marks? So far Agito and 2 others didn't indicated anything related to that.
Remember, we had Mash Lance and Dot being tested right before the big final exam stage for becoming Divine Visionary, which is where their strength is tested I'm pretty sure.
Yeah but I'm talking about awakening 3rd line. It's not necessary that they need to awaken third line as far as we know. Kaldo and Orter already thought Margarette is qualified to be DV even without that.
Well Margarette is a beast, an anomaly in the magic world when it comes to their power. So perhaps Margarette is just an outlier to the whole idea? I'm trusting the chapter 112 statement since it's really only one of the few times we get the info on what's needed for becoming Divine Visionary. So I believe that it'd warrant giving them a 10x multiplier with their Summons (just listed as that since we don't know their gods)
Not just Margarette bruh. If we take a look at Walhberg. He said even Mash can become DV heck even in EOS he becomes one. It's about power I think. It has nothing to do with marks. Well we might just give Secondths DV not summons.
Why the hell are we using Mash as an example? He's magicless, he wouldn't have the power to summon anyways and it's heavily implied that Wahlberg knew of Mash's status from the get go.
Yes, power helps, but being able to summon the power of the gods is how wizards are revered as Divine Visionaries. It's easy to say that they manifest this power during or after the process of becoming DV.
No, that page is very clearly referring to the power of summoning, no ifs or buts.
The point is Walhberg who is first Generation of DV states Despite being magic less Mash can become DV. The whole point is Power needed to compare to them. Nothing states DV needs summons.
Not all DV states or shown to summon gods. Only 3 liners are showcased this feat. Even Fanbook talks about Orter and Kaldo when comes to summons and thirds which was not showcased in Manga
Chapter 112 scan didn't states anything about Summonings. It states power which rivales Adam and 3 people becomes first Visionary as far as We know yes ofcourse they all had power to summon. But Agito, Sophia are latest generation there is no reason to believe they have summons. I mean we do get Renatus using summon and thirds onscreen. If Author really wanted to say Agito and other 2 people has summons they would have already indicated that. Only one possibly having summon is Agito which I doubt.
Wahlberg was banking on Mash winning though because he thought he could change the world. That's why Wahlberg had so much faith.
Pretty sure that whole blurb in the fanbook was putting them in tiers. Ryoh Orter and Renatus being the strongest with Thirds, Kaldo and Rayne being behind them with Summons, and the rest have summons but are the weakest.
It literally did though. Awakening to the power of the gods is summoning. I don't know if it's because we're reading it differently, but I see it as those who rival Adam in power + unlock summonings are considered to be Divine Visionaries.
Komoto consistently shows that Orter can use Thirds, but we never got his God name. There's a lot that isn't revealed because frankly, the DVs are minor characters. With everything we have, it's likely that the current roster could all summon, and the reason Margarette hasn't shown te capability is because they aren't on that level yet. Hell, Cell War is stated to be on the level of Divine Visionaries and he's shown to be able to cast a summons. There's just too much evidence to ignore. If you still don't buy it, put a likely.
It's pretty much that he was betting on Mash's strength. Anyway, if you take a look at Margarette's case, you can already see what I meant. There is not a single statement saying Margarette is the first second-liner to be on par with DV. There is no statement made as exception here.
It was never stated that anything was about strength. It was talking about those who had achieved summons and Thirds. Look at how the narrator states only a few achieved that. Otherwise we would be scaling Renatus > Ryoh & Orter
You know that the only ones who rival Adam's power are his three disciples. Not to mention, it was a rule when Adam was alive. It's not hard to say that it has changed.
Orter didn't use the Third as far as we see in the manga; he only used his summon. We don't see Orter's inclination in the manga. Also, you are ignoring that Kaldo never used his summon in the manga, yet we got information that he has one. Margarette is already stated to be on par with DV without having Sunmon. Additionally, Rayne states that Cell Wars is on par with DV even without knowing the full information about him having three lines. Rayne thinks this just by looking at Cell Wars' output. So again, there is no information stating that three lines are needed to match DV.
Yes, because Mash can only rely on his strength, and Wahlberg very likely knew this.
Margarette scales to their current statistics because the DVs treat the giant feat as nothing more than a little show of force, while they then hyper Margarette up. I don't think there was anything about them being comparable to the actual DVs, just that they had the potential, and would've beaten a BoS Rayne.
???? Why would we be scaling that way? Where are you getting this from???
All 3 far surpass him, Adam has long since been usurped as the strongest.
It takes more effort to explain that the rules were changed when that was never stated.
Because he did not go through the process to become one, Mash handed the title to Lance. If Dot were to compete again, he'd easily become DV.
Yes, and? How does this refute what I'm saying?
Yes, we did get info that he has one, because all Visionaries can use summons. Rayne and him were just confirmed to be above the rest of the Thirds-less Visionaries in that blurb, nothing deconfirms the others having one.
No, they were just hyped up by the DVs while the same group didn't consider the Giant feat impressive.
we never see Rayne talk about the possibility of Cell having a summons or not though, we dont know if he knew this or not. This is ignoring the likely fact that Summons just weren't a fleshed out concept yet.
He is saying all Divine Visionaries has summon.
I don't know.
Walhberg was first generation of DV. If he thought only 3 lines are necessary then he wouldn't have thought Mash would become DV.
BOS Rayne is already DV. There is no set level for them. Each DV varies.
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Surpassing him or not. All matters is power not lines.
There was no rule to begin with my point is that statement might have changed after adams 3 disciples succession
No? They all took the exam what are you talking about?
I already did if they had summon we would have gotten information on Fanbook just like Orter and Kaldo.
It never stated all. In that sentence
Giant feat has nothing to do with what I said. I was talking about Kaldo and Orter talking about Margarette power. They never once mentioned anything about lines.
He doesn't need to talk about it. Whole point is Cell war only having 2 lines and Rayne thinking he is on DV level.
Send the scans where it states all instead of Vague statement.
Yeah I'm also saying the same. There is no need to believe all has Summon without feats or statement
One of the reasons I think we should put the time stop resistance on triple lines.
Kaldo has summon so he should be triple liner
Well I don't think Time Stops affecting Kaldo should really amount to anything now that we also see that Orter was also stopped in place, right?
You are missing the point that he saw everything in Mash, a beacon of hope in a world where eugenics reign supreme. He puts his hopes on Mash's future because he as a magicless human can change the world with just his fists and determination.
I said BoS Rayne when really it should be before that since his whole process of becoming Divine Visionary would happen before the events of the story.
Excuse me but do not straw man me, where the **** did I mention Renatus would be above Orter and Ryoh?
The point being that because those 3 surpass him by a wide margin, Adam doesn't have a baseline. For all we know, he could just be in the country busting department, or High 6-C (unlikely but the possibility is there). Because of that, it negates the point of it being unlikely for people to reach his level.
Once more, nothing was stated this was the case. What was stated was that in order to be revered as DV, you have to reach Adam's level and/or manifest the power of the gods, while also going through the 3 step program of the tournament.
While they all did, Mash was the one chosen to become Divine Visionary. However, he ditched the title, seeing that his actions alone were enough to sway the minds of the populace, so he gave the position away to Lance, which was confirmed in the bonus post-series chapter.
Was there information on Kaldo's page about his summon? Because from what I know, that info was dropped in that QnA blurb. And we got nothing about Orter's summons from my knowledge. No name, no nothing.
It was stated in chapter 112 on that page. I was not referring to the QnA in that instance, sorry if it looked that way, but I was talking about the beginning exposition in chapter 112 in that instance.
I know that they weren't talking about lines, don't know why you think I was. This whole discussing is becoming a mess. But what I was saying was that the crux of Margarette's scaling was that the giant feat was treated as nothing by the Visionaries, while at the same time they hyped them up. I don't remember there bring a statement of Margarette being described to be on the level of the Visionaries.
It would really help if he would, but we quite literally couldn't get that because it's likely Summons weren't thought up yet, or at least completed in concept.
Okay so under further investigation, it seems I've been having a brain fart moment. I looked at a translation of QnA 40, but it looks like it only mentioned the top 5 Visionaries in regards to only Thirds??? I've been confusing myself, whoops.
Yeah, Kaldo is directly confirmed to have a Summons, meaning he's a triple liner. Not only that, but again, Orter was also frozen in the anime.
where? I do not remember.
The fanbook
I guess possibly rating would work for sophia and I forgot the ice visionary name. Agito may get solid or likely rating. His face does indicates he has triple lines.
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Tsurara. Also if you make a profile, you'll have use they/them. Going by the fanbook, they're both a guy and gal, going by the translation I've seen. (Also any news on their ice temperature? Heard it's absolute zero and that their casual passiveness is -3 degrees.)
What do you mean by that? The scars or his wicked sick line markings?
I wish someone translate the Q & A.
I thought he had 3 lines?
It's two, the top line is connected to either one of the two at the bottom. The consistency is just scuffed.
Orter is a triple liner and he gets time stoped, it has nothing to do with being a triple liner
its stated to be AZ in the fanbook
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