Hasty12345
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not the 6D one
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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100
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Killerdrone123
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They were only affecting the space between the universe not the temporal dimension of the neutral zone if it gets accepted
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I dont see how this makes them 5D tbh
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No, because affecting two space-time doesn’t imply affecting the additional dimension that makes them exist in parallel, which in this case is the neutral zone that encompasses the 12 universes. In other words, destroying 2 universes is insignificant for the neutral zone since it will continue to exist.
Hasty12345
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they have a word for people like you two in Australia
Hasty12345
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Debbie Downers smh
Nullflowerblush
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High 6-A (940.167844952 Petatons of TNT).
What exactly are you calculating?
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Sorry, I forgot to convert to meters. Here's the new value if you dont mind. 9.401678449525E26 tons of tnt. Seems to be like large planet level which still seems laughably low. Not sure what i'm doing wrong.
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Nullflowerblush
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940.167844953 Yottatons.
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I think I see what I did wrong. Ill be back, and btw im calcing the spirit bomb explosion seen from namek with the new namek size.
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I'm looking forward to the New Namek CRT. Got my arguments lined up for it.
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I'll be waiting to see a whole thread "debunked" because of Bulma (same person who does things that no human being should be capable of, but oh well) .
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yeah I bet lmao
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I think using arguments based on Bulma doesn't do much good, since she is refuted most of the time.
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i think what Hasty is saying that if the Neutral zone is accepted to have its own temporal dimension and it is an insignificant 5D realm that should kinda make it a full fledged low 1-C realm unless you can explain how a 4D temporal axis can service a 5D realm.
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It is already accepted that the neutral zone is 5D insignificant, it was just missing evidence, but now that it is there it is smooth.
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Soon I'll make a crt so we can get Goku's resistance back to stop time, i have lots of evidence to prove this.
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it didn't, it just wasn't referred as such, i literally answered you and explained it why that was the case, so since the thread had reached grace, i just decided to apply it, we talk on my wall if you want to continue arguing about it
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And I pointed out this objectively wasn’t the case. When Hit freezes Goku in Time (where we literally see him frozen in time) to avoid the KKx10 KHH Punch, he calls it Time Skip.
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Well, visually it looks like a freeze (since Goku is trapped in that glass-like thing), but when explaining what Hit did he only says that he extended the Time Skip, so...
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That’s what I mean. He very clearly stops Goku in Time, and calls that Time Skip. Though, on Aniwave he just says “increased.”
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and as i explained, that situation has other explanations that do not involve it being time stop, which would be supported by Vados saying that it isn't time stop
considering that Time Skip during the entirety of that fight was very clearly not time stop, and the only thing hit says changes when he improves his time skip is the length of it.....it suddenly gaining time stop abilities do not make much sense
again, if you want to discuss this further, go to my wall please, i don't to flood the general discussion thread
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When Vados explains, he is talking about how time skip allowed him to create his hit dimension with Time skip, and why Goku can't touch hit at that moment.
Even the same Toei page indicates that the hit time skip stops time
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I mean, I wouldn’t consider it flooding. Especially since, given our lack of new material, we’ve had the same arguments happening in this channel back to back, which caused the thread.
But also, we all agree that the Time Stop affect is red, right? When he uses Time Stop against the Mob Boss? That was your argument for them being separate abilities, after all.
But also, we all agree that the Time Stop affect is red, right? When he uses Time Stop against the Mob Boss? That was your argument for them being separate abilities, after all.
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Vados says that Hit can store the time he skips to create another dimension, not that the di
which is contradicted by Vados saying otherwise and the very principle which Goku used to counter the Time Skip the first time arround
ok, i guess we can here then
it was a minor argument entertaining your argument about he "visual flair" never a main argument of why it wasn't the time skip
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Hit doesn't use the Time Stop, that's true, however we do not know why, the only thing he specifies he isn't for a reason using is Time Skip, which Vados says doesn't stop time, any assumption on why he didn't use Time Stop is only that, an assumption, which we have no evidence to say why
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Point being, you consider this minute visual difference signifying how it is Time Stop rather than Time Skip, right?
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It doesn't change that it uses time skip for that.
Even the hit itself says that it stops time.
2 statements about one, and on top of that when in the Vados scene he is only explaining how Goku can't play a hit
Nullflowerblush
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Hit literally froze Jiren in time.
The effects of the normal Time-Skip technique and the effects of the sub-application that Hit [apparently] suspended Goku and the mob boss's henchmen in time with, even producing a differently colored visual, are evidently different.
When Hit uses Time-Skip, he, as its name suggests, leaps through time—he travels. When Hit [apparently] froze Goku in time, only Goku was affected, as if only he was affected by Hit's time abilities.
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I bring this up because the second time Goku is stopped in time, when Hit does his dozens of hits on him, he declares “My Time Skip has improved so much you can’t keep anymore!” And the effects are now the Red from “Time Stop” he uses on the Henchmen, instead of Green-Blue (which we see him using earlier in the Assassination episode to bypass security).
So it’s by his own volition an application of Time Skip, is visually a time stop, and matches visually with his later time stop (which he himself states it is.)
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if extrapolating on your "visual flair" point exclusively, which i don't believe really matter much as it is just Hit's powers visual motif as nothing more on my eyes, btw if your point is going to be that at the end of the fight the time skip seemed red, know that the Kaioken made everything have a red color scheme to it
as a support by skiping time to store sure, not to create the dimension itself tho, altho not sure how would this matter for it being said to not stop time
he......he doesn't tho, he never says that the Time Skip stops time
Which she explains by saying how Time Skip doesn't stop time, but skips it, which allows Hit to store said skipped time to use in other manners, which.....doesn't affects the statement itself
with the Time Cage, which isn't the Time Skip, what i said is that during the entire first fight, Hit only ever mentions his improvement as being to better the length of his Time Skip, so it gaining a new ability out of nowhere would make no sense, him having other abilities that can stop time later on are not really a point against the argument
well, the mod boss' situation is never called "time skip" so we can't use that, and the Goku part, if it is the last clash of the U6 fight, i explained why it doesn't need to be Time Stop there giving the similarity with another situation earlier in the same fight
can you show the scene you are talking about? we might be thinking of different scenes here
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No? When he caught KK Goku the first time and froze him, it was all blue green. It only became red at the end of the fight, where Hit declares his Time Skip has evolved even further.
Time Cage is literally just him applying Time Skip in an inverse way via the Time Accumulated by Time Skip. There’s not a fanciful difference, there.
You’re giving Vados waaaay too much weight, statement wise, in my opinion. Because we blatantly see her contradicted.
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which as i said, i never used visual color as a main argument for when he is or isn't using time stop vs time skip, i was just entertaining the idea, also you are ignoring the main point, why would the Time Skip suddenly gain a new ability like this when during the entire fight the only thing he says his improvement is doing is making the length which that he can skip longer, why would it suddenly gain a new Time Stop trait, and more, why would no one comment on it as he gains it? more over, if you want to argue that it was always a part of it....why didn't he used earlier? why doesn't he make a differentiation about both applications when he supposedly uses the other one?
a better argument would be that he simply grew to be so fast and strong that he can just blitz Goku like that, since we do know that his powers also raises alongside his Time Skip length
So he is doing the oposite of the Time Skip? he isn't making Jiren go to the past so that would be weird, also please scans for this?
we don't tho? also, the statement covers the Time Stop possibility, saying how it is a misconception in verse, if the entire point is her being wrong and that the Time Skip does stop time........then how Goku's solution to it the first time around work? and how to explain him clearly moving during Time Skip even before using the kaioken to go "beyond" it?
also you are saying that the Time Skip can stop time if Hit wants it to, but you never provide a statement that cites this specification, you only say it does, but as we can see in the first fight with Goku, if this different methods were meant to exist for different effects, why doesn't anyone, not even Hit himself, point out when said different effects are apparently used? If Hit could really stop time instead of just Time Traveling with this Time Skip, why did he insist on using the application that wasn't working on Goku instead of just switching to the other one?
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1) Unless you’re trying to say no other Time Related ability is part of Time Skip, Hit’s ability to improve Time Skip resulted in other applications. Such as Time Cage, or the Tides of Time. So it’s not at all weird or confusing. You’re just asserting it is.
2) I never argued it was always part of Time Skip.
No, they explicitly didn’t. As stated by Hit and Piccolo, his power did not increase at all. He gives a whole speech on this. He is ONLY improving Time Skip. And improving his technique results in what we see.
No, I mean targeting wise. Instead of applying Time Skip in such a way where only he is capable of movement, making him appear faster, he did the reverse—Selectively targeting his opponent, and making them slower, thus to the opponent everyone looks faster than they are.
The statement doesn’t. When I pointed out he explicitly stopped time, you just said Vados clearly wasn’t talking about that power, and claimed it was a totally different, unrelated ability. Despite the fact that this would make no sense narratively. Secondly, I’m claiming Time Stop is a sub application of Time Skip. (Hence why it’s always referred to under that name.) Also, Goku’s solution to Time Skip still totally works, I don’t get your point there.
He literally stops time. We see him do it. He says it. Your counter to this is that they’re two separate, unrelated powers, but this was never established and makes no sense. Furthermore, why would anyone comment on it? To everyone else, he’s always been Stopping Time. This is what Jaco, the Galactic King, the Pride Trooper, etc. all view the technique as. Only Vados claims differently, and even then this is in direct contradiction to the prior episode, where he quite literally claims to stop time. And even if we took her word above others, given he literally also stops time, it just means he can do both.
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exactly, but well it seems that this is basically difficult to understand for some.
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I think we should do a crt on Hit's abilities again
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第6宇宙の伝説の殺し屋。第7宇宙との格闘試合では、時間を止める技「時とばし」で悟空を窮地に追い込んだ。
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ドラゴンボール超 宇宙サバイバル編 第6宇宙
[挑戦の宇宙] レベルが下から３番目の宇宙。界王神フワ、破壊神シャンパ、天使ヴァドス、戦士 ヒット、フロスト、ボタモ、マゲッタ、キャベ、カリフラ、ケール、Ｄｒロタのご紹介。
Dragon Ball's own website stating
[Weekly ☆ Character Showcase #103: Hit from Dragon Ball Super!] | DRAGON BALL OFFICIAL SITE
Hit - God of Destruction Champa Arc - The Weekly ☆ Character Show
Anime mentioned that Hit stops time, is said by the owner of the ability.
Reaffirmed again in the tournament of power
And yes, the Hit time stop, people have to understand that Hit doesn't just have a time-based ability, but rather several skills about time.
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