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Possible Aizen Hax Upgrade

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ProfessorKukui4Life

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Hey guys. After rereading bleach for a bit I've come to discover something really interesting concerning Aizen and the Hyogoku that, if im right, could give Aizen a decent upgrade in his hax. It's been on my mind for a while and now that I have the chance I would like to get it off my chest. And i'll be posting scans here that I took pictures of from the manga with my phone.

Now that there are 2 possible haxes that I think Aizen could get that would be very useful. The haxes Im suggesting are:

  • Limited or Minor Reality Warping and Possibly Low Concept Creating via the Hyogoku
  • 'Seeing into different dimensions/realities
'Now I know what you guys are gonna say, but please, give me a chance to explain why I think he should be given this. I'll start with the Reality Warping part.

We all know that the power of the Hyogoku was mistaken in the beginning. After truly connecting with it as its master, Aizen was able to confirm to us that the true power of the Hyogoku is to read the desires of anyone around it and make it come true:

Aizen feat (1)
Aizen even confirms that everything that materialized around Ichigo and the others was "brought into being" by the Hyogoku


Even Urahara's belief and "Wish" of the Hyogoku's abilities was made real by it, despite it not being correct. And as well as other conceptions such as Rukia giving her power to Ichigo via Kaien's death, Chad and Orihime being able to create and unleash thier own spiritual powers, and so on:
Aizen feat (2)
All of the effected victims who have ever had been affected by the Hyogoku have had their inner desires, no matter what they are, become reality. Even something as trival as Orihime and Chad's powers, which were not only awakened, but even created out of nowhere (suggesting the possible Concept Creation hax) as Orihime and Chad have never had powers from the start. And we know it the Hyogoku's power is real as if it wasnt, well, Aizen will say it here:
Aizen feat (3)


And their mere success in becoming complete visoreds was an armed indication about the Hyogoku's true power by itself:
Aizen feat (4)


So, as seen here, the fact that the Hyogoku was the one who made the inner desires of all within its boundaries reality, including those who had no powers at the start but could still create and help them awaken said powers, this should give the Hyogoku Possibly Low Concept Creating and Limited Reality Warping (or if anything something similar to Gremmy's Visionary). Of course, there would be a limit to this. The limit would be that the Hyogoku's power would only have affect on the desires within the subjects capabilities/possiblties. It would be useless on foes that transcend or surpass the Hyogoku's (and Aizen's) power, as confirmed here:
Aizen feat (6)


And now for the other ability

Now im not sure what this would be, but for Aizen, I believe it should be an ability of somesorts that allows him to see or rather know whats happening in other dimensional realities. We are at least implied this when Aizen tells Ichigo how he was able to improve and grow during his fights with Grimmjow and Ulquiorra, fights he should have had no idea was even going on as he was in the real world at the time fighting the captains along with most of the Espada. He even knew about Ichigo awakening his Vasto Lorde powers during his fight with Ulquiorra, calling it a "new power".

Does this look good or is it not enough for an addition?
 
LordAizenSama said:
I'll read in depth about this later and give you my thoughts but I think you are onto something
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Thank you. I honestly thought this would been seen as ridiculous but im glad i got SOME leverage lol.

Should I request this to be highlighted? Ik your the main guy for Bleach but more input wouldnt hurt right?
 
I don't know what to think of this so we should just wait for Aizen. Though I also don't know how this would apply in a fight as I don't remember Aizen doing something like these in his battles but I might be forgetting something.
 
Well to be fair, if any ability even comes from this, its not like Aizen needed to use it on his opponents. Everyone among the Espada and the Captains was fodder to him to where he could just use his own abilities to take them out. Even Ichigo at the time wasnt much of a threat. The only time Aizen really could've used it was when he fought Ichigo in the SS and Ichigo was already way too strong for him as Dangai Ichigo. So since he surpassed Aizen's power, it would also mean he surpassed the limitation of the Hyogoku's power to effect him.
 
Yamamoto wasn't fodder... Weren't they almost on the same level or something?

Anyway, what I'm thinking about is how Aizen can use the first suggested ability in a fight. As for the second one, it seems alright. It sounds similar to what AppleLord brought up for Aizen at one point. He was able to sense what was going on from the Muken or something. I can't really remember. But I know it was added to his page.
 
Yes but Yamamoto was still under the effects of KS and Aizen had that Arrancar which could counter Yamamoto's Zanpakuto. He did have trouble with him yes but I dont think to the point where he needed to use the Hyogoku's ability on him.

Besides, if anything else, another reason why Aizen didnt use it could be that Yamamoto was too strong? Even Aizen admitted that if he fought him in a straight up fight, his chances of losing were high. That suggests that Yamamoto power wise is near, if not, equal to Aizen and as stated above the Hyogoku's ability wouldnt work on subjects that it has no possiblity of effecting.
 
Yeah, I just remembered that he created Wonderweiss for Yamamoto. So I guess if it's accepted, Aizen would be able to use it on those on a tier below him. But like I said before, I'm still not sure how it's going to work in an offensive way or something like that since it was never shown.
 
Well the Hyogoku can make the desires of any subject around it come true, but only when its in the subjects capabilties. This would include Aizen himself seeing as how the Hyogoku is literally inside him.

So offensive wise, say if Aizen desired his opponent to, lets say, die.

If its in the subjects capability to be effected like that, then the Hyogoku would make that desire become reality, making its subject dead.

However, it would have no effect on those who have good enough regen or immortality since those who would have either would be incapable of dying, thus the Hyogoku's ability cannot effect those subjects.
 
Somehow I doubt Aizen would be able to do that to someone near his level.

Hey Kukui, maybe you can ask Reppuzan on his wall? He might be able to know more about this kind of stuff.
 
Maybe. It depends on the strength or tier of the Subject Aizen would want to unleash it on.

And yeah i'll ask Rep to look at this in a bit.
 
Ok so Ove read it..

I agree with the first point, but it usually has some manner of prep time for it to work (I think?) Or just note it usually isn't battle applicable

I think we can put the second point down to Aizens intelligence
 
I dont think it would be prep since the Hyogoku has done that to multiple subjects even before he ever got it into his possession. For example, it was able to give Chad and Orihime, who didnt remotely have any spiritiual talent in the beginning, powers despite being sealed away within the gigai Urahara gave Rukia. It could be prep or not prep depending on what the subjects desires are, as again, it took time for Orihime and Chad to use their powers. So if accepted, the Limited Reality Warping part should be usuable in combat. It's just that, well, Aizen has never been pushed to the point where he would need it against an opponent. The only time that ever happened was with Dangai Ichigo, who was far above him.

However, the Low Concept Creation part should definitely be prep.

You sure it would be intelligence? Hmm, well you are the expert of Bleach so i'll go with that if you think its best.
 
Mm. Yep i'm fine with your suggestion for the first points. I do think the second one is just Aizens intelligence at work
 
Well, if LordAizenSama agrees with this, I think that it should be safe to add.
 
Would this work on people on the same tier as him or would they have to be lower tiered?

Also, say if Aizen wished for someone like Lille to die while he was intangible, would he just drop dead?

Lastly, and this is far-fetched but, since Aizen has reached his limits as a Shinigami, wouldn't it be possible for Aizen to break his limiter (again)? Just continuously scaling higher if that was his desire? I'm not saying he'd break his limiter and suddenly be Saitama but his limit would break and through his desire to become stronger would gradually scale upwards.
 
Well making desires come true is classified as reality warping, even if low. And intangiblity cannot stop a hax such as that from working on it so I would say so. This hax just cannot work on ppl stronger than Aizen.
 
So what you mean to say is if Aizen can kill them... then the hogyokou will just let him take a shortcut and do it for him. If that's the case he should be able to do it to literally everyone in bleach verse. Except Monster Yhwach. and.. pretty much everyone else in 5-C before they "power up" since although it may be a close fight, if Aizen can win he will win via hogyokou.

UNLESS they are immortal of course. Is that kind of where you're getting at? The first bit about the shortcut the rest was just me.
 
So up to Monster Aizen. Gotcha.

Probably gonna have to make a vs revison thread for Aizen vs Mewtwo then. Since mewtwo can drop dead now if Aizen wills it :D
 
Well I have to add the ability first for Aizen so until then I wouldn't use it in vs debates.

Besides, if a character, such as Mewtwo, also has reality warping of their own then I wouldn't say the Hyogoku would just easily beat them. But it's up to you if you want to re-do it.
 
according to my knowledge he was never able to use that on any 1 in fight and Hogyoku rejected Sosuke Aizen

+The Hogyoku didn't recognize him as its master when he was weakened by Ichigo's Mugetsu. The Hogyoku will only lend its powers to one who is strong

'i think' Hyogoku should be list as Weapons/Objects
 
i agree with the second point . With it, we can explain how he knew about ichigo's bankai and renji's bankai , even he knows they will come to Soul Society to fight yhwach and he also know about the Almighty when yhwach had never used it at Soul Society
 
@Omi

Its not that he wasnt able to, its just that he didnt need to use it since literally everyone who wasnt named Ichigo or Yamamoto was fodder to him.
 
from wiki

Desire Materialization: Though initially thought to solely possess the power to control the boundary of the two contravening existences, that of Shinigami and Hollows, this was proven incorrect. Rather, the Hōgyoku's true power is the ability to absorb the desires of those around it and manifest them into reality. However, this power is not without limitations. The Hōgyoku itself is merely a guiding force - it can only manifest the desires of those with the strength to carry them out.The events which happened around Ichigo Kurosaki, Rukia Kuchiki, and Kisuke Urahara were events materialized by the Hōgyoku itself, which possesses a will of its own.

Rukia Kuchiki (Alleged): According to Aizen she still held the guilt of killing Kaien Shiba, the Hōgyoku caused her to transfer all of her powers into Ichigo Kurosaki instead of half as she had intended

Orihime Inoue and Yasutora Sado (Alleged): According to Aizen because Orihime and Sado cursed their powerlessness from the bottom of their hearts, the Hōgyoku caused them to develop unique abilities, the Shun Shun Rikka and the Brazo Derecha de Gigante respectively

Hōgyoku has a will of its own

and not even singel fight aizen was able to use Hōgyoku so u cant use that on 1vs1 thread

he didn't had full control over Hōgyoku

only thing aizen was able do with Hōgyoku that creating Arrancar if i remember correctly

again he was never able to use against in any fight so how he is going to use it in here
 
For one, you don't need to repost all of which I had scans for

Two, again there is nothing proving Aizen can't use them. He didnt use them in fights because he never needed to. Literally everyone he was facing, other than Ichigo and Yamamoto, were absolute fodder before him, so his own skills were enough to defeat them.

Yamamoto gave him trouble yes, but he was still under KS and he had Wonderweis to counter the power of his Zanpakuto, so he also didnt need to use the Hyogoku's power here against him.

Ichigo is the only exception to be a challenge for Aizen as Dangai Ichigo and since Dangai Ichigo was easily stronger than Aizen, Aizen was unable to have the Hyogoku's power work on Ichigo evenif he wanted to use it.

There is nothing proving Aizen cannot use this power while its at least implied he can since he had some control over the Hyogoku. And since Aizen can only use this while having the Hyogoku anyway, it doesnt matter if he's doing it or the Hyogoku is doing it. He will still have it with him during fights.
 
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