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Universes in an Atom :
["Imagine the sand of the Mohaine Desert, which you crossed to find me, and imagine a trillion universes - not worlds by universes - encapsulated in each grain of that desert; and within each universe an infinity of others. We tower over these universes from our pitiful grass vantage point; with one swing of your boot you may knock a billion billion worlds flying off into darkness, a chain never to be completed.
"Size, gunslinger... size.]
An atom contains infinite universes.
Endless 'Floors' :
["Yet suppose further. Suppose that all worlds, all universes, met at a single nexus, a single pylon, a Tower. And within it, a stairway, perhaps rising to the Godhead itself. Would you dare climb to the top, gunslinger? Could it be that somewhere above all of endless reality, there exists a room?...]
Above 'endless reality', which, in Dark Tower's case, may be Floors = Layers. Endless Layers.
[Short-Timers and Long-Timers live in overlapping spheres of existence -on connected floors of the same building if you like - ruled by the Random and the Purpose. Above these floors, inaccessible to us but very much a part of the same tower of existence, live other beings. Some of them are marvelous and wonderful; others are hideous beyond out ability to comprehend, let alone yours. These beings might be called the Higher Purpose and the Higher Random.]
Beings on lower floor can't comprehend beings of higher floors.
The Dark Tower :
["Out of the Prim arose Gan, animating spirit of the Dark Tower. From the magical waters dripping out of his navel, Gan spun the physical universe. But sensing that one world was not large enough to contain all possible manifestations of life and experience, he divided the universe into multiple, parallel realities,]
Dark Tower contains all possible manifestations of life and experience.
["Would you risk destroying that world as well as this, and the other worlds sai King has touched with his imagination, and drawn from? For it was not he that created them, you know. To peek in Gans navel does not make one Gan, although many creative people seem to think so. Would you risk it all?"- The Dark Tower]
How Stephen King's (real world author of Dark Tower) DTverse really acknowledged as work of his, but…
["No writer is Gan - no painter, no sculptor, no maker of music. We are kas-ka Gan.......The prophets of Gan." - The Dark Tower]
He did not create DTverse with his writing as many metahax characters can. Gan created them. Authors of fictional stories, are all Prophets of Gan, Singers of Gan's song. They may write stories, but Gan is the one who made them Real in Endless Realities of Dark Tower. In other words, Dark Tower contains exact copies of every fictional universes
["They look like Doctor Doom." Eddie said.
"Yeah," Jake said. "It's not exact, I'm sure the masks were modified to make them look more like wolves, but otherwise...same green hoods, same green cloaks. Yeah, Doctor Doom."
"And the sneetches," Eddie said. "Have you ever heard of Harry Potter?"
"I dont think so. Have you?"]
Marvel's Doctor Doom and Harry Potters' 'sneetches'. Further proving all fictions on real life maybe somewhere already exist in the Dark Tower. Including fictions that have Infinite Dimensions/Metaphysics/Transduality realm too, probably. Or maybe planes like Umineko's Sea of Nothingness or Lovecraft Myth's Ultimate Void (someone says it has been hinted Lovecraft Myth beings also exist within Dark Tower, but I just can't find relevant quote). If this claim is accepted, then that'd make Dark Tower Tier 1-A by itself.
[and set six magnetic Beams in place to maintain the alignment of time, space, size, and dimension in all of them. Gan sat at the center of the world-web, singing the rocks and mountains and trees into existence, singing the song of the White." - The Gunslinger Born]
Original Beams which holds all Endless Realities together.
Finally, the Great Old Ones :
They're Humans of All-World who replaced Dark Tower's Beams with their own Technological Beams.
["The Great Old Ones didn't make the world, but they did re-make it. Some tale-tellers say the Beams saved it; others say they are the seeds of the world's destruction. The Great Old Ones created the Beams. They are lines of some sort… lines which bind . . . and hold . . ."
"Are you talking about magnetism?" Susannah asked cautiously. His whole face lit up, transforming its harsh planes and furrows into something new and amazing, and for a moment Eddie knew how Roland would look if he actually did reach his Tower.
"Yes! Not just magnetism, but that is a part of it … and gravity . . . and the proper alignment of space, size, and dimension. The Beams are the forces which bind these things together." - The Waste Lands]
GOO created Beams which give proper alignment to space, size and dimension of endless floors of the Dark Tower. And if 'dimension' here means 'dimensions', then each floor above may have infinitely increasing number of dimensions.
["When everything was new, the Great Old Ones—they weren't gods, but people who had almost the knowledge of gods—created Twelve Guardians to stand watch at the twelve portals which lead in and out of the world. Sometimes I heard that these portals were natural things, like the constel-lations we see in the sky or the bottomless crack in the earth we called Dragon's Grave, because of the great burst of steam they gave off every thirty or forty days.
But other people—one I remember in particular, the head cook in my father's castle, a man named Hax—said they were not natural, that they had been created by the Great Old Ones themselves, in the days before they hanged themselves with pride like a noose and disappeared from the earth. Hax used to say that the creation of the Twelve Guardians was the last act of the Great Old Ones, their attempt to atone for the great wrongs they had done to each other, and to the earth itself." - The Waste Lands]
More on GOO creating Beams, and Guardians to protect the Beams.
[For their own decadent entertainment, they created doorways that led from their world to other wheres and whens on every level of the Tower.]
GOO can access all Endless Floors of the Tower. Means, if DT really contains all copies of fictional universes, GOO would know about them all already. They're the ones who hold all realities together after all. And if it even contain various settings' 'Outerverses', then GOO might be Tier 1-A
[the great technological advances of the Old People made possible not just the destruction of one level of the Tower but the obliteration of all of them.]
Old Ones can destroy whole Dark Tower. All Endless Floors. (Possibly) including fictional realities inside.
Wiki said :
[When the ka-tet stops the Breakers at Blue Heaven, the Bear-Turtle beam starts to recover, and it is implied that it will heal, and the destroyed beams will start to rebuild themselves.]
GOO's Beams, even when while they're already destroyed, are perfectly capable of self-repair on their own even without maintenance from Old Ones (this is after Old Ones wiped themselves out in some civil war).
Wiki said :
[Likewise, it is implied that this means that the worlds that have "moved on" may come back to
order and life. While it is impossible to instantly restore the technology of the Old Ones, it can be hoped that a peaceful civilization will again be possible.]
Worlds that has moved on may come back to life. Regenerated. Including Endless Floors above which 'beyond all comprehension'. Indicating GOO can just easily create worlds and destroy them.
To summarize, I propose High 1-B, Possibly/Likely Tier 1-A rating for Old Ones.
Universes in an Atom :
["Imagine the sand of the Mohaine Desert, which you crossed to find me, and imagine a trillion universes - not worlds by universes - encapsulated in each grain of that desert; and within each universe an infinity of others. We tower over these universes from our pitiful grass vantage point; with one swing of your boot you may knock a billion billion worlds flying off into darkness, a chain never to be completed.
"Size, gunslinger... size.]
An atom contains infinite universes.
Endless 'Floors' :
["Yet suppose further. Suppose that all worlds, all universes, met at a single nexus, a single pylon, a Tower. And within it, a stairway, perhaps rising to the Godhead itself. Would you dare climb to the top, gunslinger? Could it be that somewhere above all of endless reality, there exists a room?...]
Above 'endless reality', which, in Dark Tower's case, may be Floors = Layers. Endless Layers.
[Short-Timers and Long-Timers live in overlapping spheres of existence -on connected floors of the same building if you like - ruled by the Random and the Purpose. Above these floors, inaccessible to us but very much a part of the same tower of existence, live other beings. Some of them are marvelous and wonderful; others are hideous beyond out ability to comprehend, let alone yours. These beings might be called the Higher Purpose and the Higher Random.]
Beings on lower floor can't comprehend beings of higher floors.
The Dark Tower :
["Out of the Prim arose Gan, animating spirit of the Dark Tower. From the magical waters dripping out of his navel, Gan spun the physical universe. But sensing that one world was not large enough to contain all possible manifestations of life and experience, he divided the universe into multiple, parallel realities,]
Dark Tower contains all possible manifestations of life and experience.
["Would you risk destroying that world as well as this, and the other worlds sai King has touched with his imagination, and drawn from? For it was not he that created them, you know. To peek in Gans navel does not make one Gan, although many creative people seem to think so. Would you risk it all?"- The Dark Tower]
How Stephen King's (real world author of Dark Tower) DTverse really acknowledged as work of his, but…
["No writer is Gan - no painter, no sculptor, no maker of music. We are kas-ka Gan.......The prophets of Gan." - The Dark Tower]
He did not create DTverse with his writing as many metahax characters can. Gan created them. Authors of fictional stories, are all Prophets of Gan, Singers of Gan's song. They may write stories, but Gan is the one who made them Real in Endless Realities of Dark Tower. In other words, Dark Tower contains exact copies of every fictional universes
["They look like Doctor Doom." Eddie said.
"Yeah," Jake said. "It's not exact, I'm sure the masks were modified to make them look more like wolves, but otherwise...same green hoods, same green cloaks. Yeah, Doctor Doom."
"And the sneetches," Eddie said. "Have you ever heard of Harry Potter?"
"I dont think so. Have you?"]
Marvel's Doctor Doom and Harry Potters' 'sneetches'. Further proving all fictions on real life maybe somewhere already exist in the Dark Tower. Including fictions that have Infinite Dimensions/Metaphysics/Transduality realm too, probably. Or maybe planes like Umineko's Sea of Nothingness or Lovecraft Myth's Ultimate Void (someone says it has been hinted Lovecraft Myth beings also exist within Dark Tower, but I just can't find relevant quote). If this claim is accepted, then that'd make Dark Tower Tier 1-A by itself.
[and set six magnetic Beams in place to maintain the alignment of time, space, size, and dimension in all of them. Gan sat at the center of the world-web, singing the rocks and mountains and trees into existence, singing the song of the White." - The Gunslinger Born]
Original Beams which holds all Endless Realities together.
Finally, the Great Old Ones :
They're Humans of All-World who replaced Dark Tower's Beams with their own Technological Beams.
["The Great Old Ones didn't make the world, but they did re-make it. Some tale-tellers say the Beams saved it; others say they are the seeds of the world's destruction. The Great Old Ones created the Beams. They are lines of some sort… lines which bind . . . and hold . . ."
"Are you talking about magnetism?" Susannah asked cautiously. His whole face lit up, transforming its harsh planes and furrows into something new and amazing, and for a moment Eddie knew how Roland would look if he actually did reach his Tower.
"Yes! Not just magnetism, but that is a part of it … and gravity . . . and the proper alignment of space, size, and dimension. The Beams are the forces which bind these things together." - The Waste Lands]
GOO created Beams which give proper alignment to space, size and dimension of endless floors of the Dark Tower. And if 'dimension' here means 'dimensions', then each floor above may have infinitely increasing number of dimensions.
["When everything was new, the Great Old Ones—they weren't gods, but people who had almost the knowledge of gods—created Twelve Guardians to stand watch at the twelve portals which lead in and out of the world. Sometimes I heard that these portals were natural things, like the constel-lations we see in the sky or the bottomless crack in the earth we called Dragon's Grave, because of the great burst of steam they gave off every thirty or forty days.
But other people—one I remember in particular, the head cook in my father's castle, a man named Hax—said they were not natural, that they had been created by the Great Old Ones themselves, in the days before they hanged themselves with pride like a noose and disappeared from the earth. Hax used to say that the creation of the Twelve Guardians was the last act of the Great Old Ones, their attempt to atone for the great wrongs they had done to each other, and to the earth itself." - The Waste Lands]
More on GOO creating Beams, and Guardians to protect the Beams.
[For their own decadent entertainment, they created doorways that led from their world to other wheres and whens on every level of the Tower.]
GOO can access all Endless Floors of the Tower. Means, if DT really contains all copies of fictional universes, GOO would know about them all already. They're the ones who hold all realities together after all. And if it even contain various settings' 'Outerverses', then GOO might be Tier 1-A
[the great technological advances of the Old People made possible not just the destruction of one level of the Tower but the obliteration of all of them.]
Old Ones can destroy whole Dark Tower. All Endless Floors. (Possibly) including fictional realities inside.
Wiki said :
[When the ka-tet stops the Breakers at Blue Heaven, the Bear-Turtle beam starts to recover, and it is implied that it will heal, and the destroyed beams will start to rebuild themselves.]
GOO's Beams, even when while they're already destroyed, are perfectly capable of self-repair on their own even without maintenance from Old Ones (this is after Old Ones wiped themselves out in some civil war).
Wiki said :
[Likewise, it is implied that this means that the worlds that have "moved on" may come back to
order and life. While it is impossible to instantly restore the technology of the Old Ones, it can be hoped that a peaceful civilization will again be possible.]
Worlds that has moved on may come back to life. Regenerated. Including Endless Floors above which 'beyond all comprehension'. Indicating GOO can just easily create worlds and destroy them.
To summarize, I propose High 1-B, Possibly/Likely Tier 1-A rating for Old Ones.
