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Yukari Yakumo vs Kurokami Medaka

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Victory by death (which might be quite difficult).


Medaka is not allowed to copy Yukari.


Medaka doesn't use all fiction as her first move


+Prep time


Distance of 1000 meters between them, Medaka doesn't know Yukari while Yukari does


Who wins and why ?


Their profiles :

Medaka Kurokami

Yukari Yakumo

MedakavsYukari
YukarivsMedaka
 
Not sure if Boundary Manipulation would effective against Encounter or All Fiction to be honest. The former is especially notable, as it can even push away her own death.

Leaning towards Medaka due to her greater variety.
 
unless she manipulate form and nothingness, and define what "nothingness" is. And Encounter is a matter of perspective (or she could just BFR her)
 
And she could just All Fiction it as if it never happened or erase any border between the BFR'd realm and the battlefield entirely.

Then Medaka could just remove the concept of boundaries themselves or better yet, gain 120% of Yukari's Boundary Manipulation and use it against her.
 
That would be a pyrric victory by the way.Beside isn't Yukari would have redefine nothingness already? And beside boundary is more than a universal constant. Medaka couldn't do that. She couldn't gain that ability if it beyond her physical ability either.

Or rather in order to avoid the trouble, she could just accelerate her age and maturity so that she lose all of her power naturally.
 
@Andykhang

All Fiction doesn't control nothingness, it controls the idea of "fiction". By turning something into "fiction", it renders it so that it was as if the event/object/concept never existed at all. Medaka can also reduce the time it takes for her actions to "fiction" as well, allowing her to make actions virtually instantaneously.

Stop bringing that up. It's plot-induced stupidity as to finally close the story. In addition, she has no way of knowing that would happen in the first place.
 
Andykhang said:
unless she manipulate form and nothingness, and define what "nothingness" is.
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Please show me Yukari doing something as grand as redefining the concept of nothingness with her Boundary Manip. I'm not voting on this thread, but really, this comment was uncalled for.
 
Blame the post to said "Full Power". In such a senario where there's no personalize external force aside from the opponent (a blank universe, I suppose) and prep time, she's the ultimate overlord.

Not much evidents, aside from the border of common sense that she set to transport thing to her realm. And if you control boundary, you decided what is and isn't (the definition of define) already.
 
@Andykhang

Boundary Manipulation is effectively specialized Reality Warping. Nothing more. All Fiction is far more flexible and powerful due to it being straight up Reality Warping. Anything Yukari can do, Medaka can undo and do better in an instant.

The only reason why Medaka doesn't stomp this matchup is because of the fact that you said that she can't use All Fiction from the start.
 
Please Andhy, stop this.

Yukari can't do any of these things you're implying, much less on the scale you're implying. If she could, there would have already been some sort of content revision and we would have tier 2 Yukari. Like Reppuzan said, Boundary is no more than specialized reality warping and like any other skill out there, the scale depends on what the user has displayed. And I don't even get what you're talking about with this full power thing.

EDIT: OP said "both at their strongest". So what? Are you implying Yukari at her strongest has full control over every border out there with no limits whatsoever?
 
...Could be? *shrug* .It's like the universe, when you said it size, you're probably going to said it's observable volume instead of it actual size. I said that comparision because boundary manipulation's potential is that big.

Edit: Point is, the post probably need to change to "Full confirmed power" to prevent someone like me from exploiting the ass out of it and end up getting this thread banned.
 
Andy we have to go by feats, not speculation. It has potential, but unless Yukari has displayed that potential, it doesn't fly. Nevertheless, All Fiction HAS displayed that potential, with Kumagawa admitting that he might actual erase all of existence if he isn't careful. He also erased the concept of colors at one point.

Thank you for listening to reason.
 
Andykhang said:
I said that comparision because boundary manipulation's potential is that big.
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Indeed... Boundary Manipulation's potential is that big. Yukari's potential with the ability is another matter entirely.
 
And that's the part we have no idea about. Take form and nothingness for example, did she just control the shape of the border, or could she also control it property? And could she dissolve the boundary between it like she does with the 2nd Lunar War's boundary between Truth and Lie, or PCB's boundary between Life and Death? You can't said whether if one boundary is harder to manip than other just by comparing scale and grandness.
 
Ok Andhy, let me do the same thing you are doing.

"Encounter didn't show any limits to what it could send away, hence Yukari's powers won't ever even come close to touching Medaka, Encounter will send any sort of possible interference away. Medaka will think and blink Yukari, along with all of her powers and abilities and anything she could even think about doing out of existence because All Fiction didn't show any limits whatsoever either."

There. See now why I'm talking about going with what the character has demonstrated?
 
And that's entirely off topic, since I just do what you said earlier: to follow demonstrated proof. But just going by demonstrated proof is a logical fallacy, because just because a character doesn't do it doesn't mean they can't.

Personally I would put this match as inconclusive because of that.
 
Andy, this is a site that is defined by feats. You can't just say, "Just because he hasn't done it doesn't mean he can't." Otherwise I could say things like, "My Little Pony's Discord is 2-C since he has Reality Warping even though he has never shown anything on that scale."

Logical extrapolation is fine. Extreme extrapolation is not.
 
While I'm personally on the side of Medaka winning for reasons above, you have to explain why Medaka wins.
 
Nerfing medaka + giving her opponent prep time. Wondering if book maker could work on yukari. Hmm, iirc, she could STEAL, not copy, Yukari abilities thanks to Oudo's (dont remember his name) ability. Rooting for Medaka because, even if All fiction isnt her first move, its still a move.
 
Would that be steal-able, I wonder?

Giving Yukari, of all people, prep time is pretty dangerous. She would have devise thousands upon thousands of countermeasures to deal with her, like maybe building special hyperspace that would instantly push people to mental and physical maturity to make her give up her power (among others)
 
I'll keep track of the votes myself in order to help the OP.

Medaka: 7 (Reppuzan, Raito Utopia, Cropfist, The real cal howard, ZeroOmar, Pachi2, Yomi Schwarz)

Yukari: 1 (AndyKhang)

Inconclusive:

With that being said, since I've been here for so long anyways, I'll vote for Medaka too for reasons explained above along with the fact that she has shown a much wider versality and combat oriented uses of her abilities. Whatever preparation Yukari may think of gets null by All Fiction, Book Maker can screw her up and I don't see Yuka getting through defensive abilities like Encounter or other powerful ofensive ones like Scar Dead.

EDIT: There's actually Yomi Schwarz too, so that makes it eight for Medaka.
 
Voting for Medaka on account of Bookmaker and her other Skills, Minuses and Pluses.
 
@Andy

Being able to construct hyperspace would be a Tier 1 feat. Yukari clearly isn't Tier 1.
 
In my opinion, we should have a note on Yukari's profile. Restricting her to only feats she shown with boundary manipulation.
 
It's not like Medaka uses All Fiction as a first move anyway. Or any of her most powerful skills for that matter.

She should still win though, from what I've read of Yukari.

Also, would Bookmaker even be useful for Medaka? I mean, it makes her opponent become of her level. Kumagawa uses it effectively because he's so weak that other people can't do anything after becoming as weak as him. Medaka is the exact opposite of him (born winner that always wins everything), so, would it even be effective for her?
 
@Jucaslucas

I doubt it due to your reasoning.

Nevertheless, not seeing how Yukari is going to weasel her way out of being erased once she tries to start haxing Medaka (assuming it would even work through Encounter).
 
@Jucaslucas I was fairly sure Book Maker brought people to the lvl of Kumagawa (?), but okay.

Anyways, Yuka still loses to stuff like Encounter and All Fiction (that thing can also erase whatever harm that may happen to the user).
 
FateAlbane said:
@Jucaslucas I was fairly sure Book Maker brought people to the lvl of Kumagawa (?), but okay.
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I think it brings them to the level of the user. Kumagawa uses it, and people become of his level. So, if Medaka uses it, the target should go to her level. Since she's probably the most positive person ever, I don't think it would be that effective.
 
I don't think that's how it works. Because if so, everyone she had used it on would have became immensely stronger.

Edit: Also, Forsaken God Mode.
 
FateAlbane said:
@Jucaslucas I was fairly sure Book Maker brought people to the lvl of Kumagawa (?), but okay.

Anyways, Yuka still loses to stuff like Encounter and All Fiction (that thing can also erase whatever harm that may happen to the user).
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Encounter don't stop natural change to the body though, so Yukari's act of acceleration could still work. Also Yukari could still trick Medaka to erase only "Yukari Yakumo" (since it's not her real name) out of existence and just waiting the long game anyway.

@Reppuzan: And I don't mean that literally, I mean a space where she could do that would be enough, by manipulating the boundary between childhood and maturity.
 
Sir Ovens said:
I don't think that's how it works. Because if so, everyone she had used it on would have became immensely stronger.
Edit: Also, Forsaken God Mode.
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I don't think she ever used it on anyone though.

Forsaken God mode is her using Bookmaker on herself to become as weak as her opponent. So, whoever gets hit goes to their opponent's level.
 
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