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Okay, where to start.

Sargeras, the big bad guy of the Burning Legion. He was the strongest warrior of the Pantheon (The Gods), and was superior to Aman'thul, who created the concept of time, that is implied to be infinite. In Hellscream , the timelines are described as "Infinite, creating the Multiverse"


Alex Afrasiabi, who's probably the closest thing to the canon source, confirmed that there was a Multiverse within the Warcraft Universe.

Absolutely, and this is a precedent here, that there are alternate worlds across the multiverse. There is a multiverse, right, I mean it's something we bounced around the previous Caverns of Time stuff sort of -- like we kind of skirted it -- and we embraced it with this one. Like this is what we're talking about here, right. And if you're a true time travel nerd, you understand that's the only way time travel works anyway. - World of Warcraft's Creative Director Alex Afrasiabi

And Blizzard employee Bashiok has been working with Blizzard since '03 says, this about the Multiverse and infinite timelines.


Archimonde and Kil'jaeden were both Sargeras' closest agents, that were called "Fleas" before his power. Archimonde was a mighty general, leading the nearly infinite army of the Burning Legion, while Kil'jaeden was the magically superior one and the great corruptor who tempted mortals into serving.

In Draenor, Archimonde was going to Destroy Draneor, having grown tired of fighting us Heroes. Why he didn't is clearly PIS or CIS or maybe both.

Before Thrall was able to wield the Dragon Soul, he was able to harm Archimonde, who would have survived the Destruction of Draenor.

Arthas is comparable to Thrall as is Illidan, the latter actually fighting Arthas to a near stalemate, although this is before Arthas became the Lich King. It should go Lich King Arthas > Thrall = Illidan.

Murozond is the wild card, as he was given power over the Infinite Timelines via Aman'thul's power.


Sargeras - 3-B. At least 2-A (At his peak, he was stronger than Aman'thul, who was above the concept of time, who created and ordered the Infinite Timelines and the Multiverse. Tabs should be "With Gorshalach" and "With Gorribal" With Gorschalach being the 2-A.

Archimonde - at least 5-B (Was going to destroy Draenor)

Kil'jaeden - At least 5-B (Comparable to Archimonde)

Thrall - At least High 6-A (Was able, in a weaker form, to actually harm Archimonde)

Arthas - At least High 6-A (Comparable to Thrall)

Mannoroth - 5-C (Vastly stronger than Thrall)

Deathwing - 5-C (Vastly stronger than Thrall)

Illidan - High 6-A (comparable to Arthas, able to fight him evenly). Murozond - Unknown. Managed to shatter the timeline and create his own.
 
Hmm... could you provide the relevant excerpt in Hellscream regarding the timelines?

Though, I'm pretty sure Thrall and those scale to him would be a significantly higher tier than you list if he's able to harm a Planet level entity.

Other than that, it seems alright to me.
 
The Everlasting said:
Hmm... could you provide the relevant excerpt in Hellscream regarding the timelines?
I could actually not find exactly... saying timelines. He refers to Timelines as worlds, saying "there is endless, infinite worlds. The possibilities are infinite."


However, Alex Afrasiabi confirmed that there was a Multiverse within the Warcraft Universe.

Absolutely, and this is a precedent here, that there are alternate worlds across the multiverse. There is a multiverse, right, I mean it's something we bounced around the previous Caverns of Time stuff sort of -- like we kind of skirted it -- and we embraced it with this one. Like this is what we're talking about here, right. And if you're a true time travel nerd, you understand that's the only way time travel works anyway. - World of Warcraft's Creative Director Alex Afrasiabi


And Blizzard employee Bashiok has been working with Blizzard since '03 says, this about the Multiverse and infinite timelines.
 
Sargeras at 2-A in full power? Jesus that is powerful af. I mean, while I can say that sargeras with gorribal is weaker than was what stated at his peak, the cronicles...kind of answers the whole "Future of gor'shalach" thing. Yahh....there's now a 100% chance that sargeras is trying to repair his true blade, and is on the verge of doing that.

Though, i wonder why sargeras hasn't come to azeroth yet...hmph...must be trying to do other things right now.
 
Seems fine to me.
 
6 admins approve the changes, that should suffice to proceed with the changes?
 
Yes, I think so.
 
Wait...so if enough admins approve the change, does that mean the bio of that char changes along with it. So, if someone thinks that a char is 2-C, and changes come along making that char 3-D in reality, along with admins apporving that change, then the chars bio is updated making him/her a 3-B?!
 
Preds43 said:
Wait...so if enough admins approve the change, does that mean the bio of that char changes along with it. So, if someone thinks that a char is 2-C, and changes come along making that char 3-D in reality, along with admins apporving that change, then the chars bio is updated making him/her a 3-B?!
If the feat or feats that made them 2-C in the first place were legitimately disproven or thrown into serious doubt, then yes.
 
If mannoroth is now 5-c, shouldn't Grom get an upgrade too? i mean, he oneshotted him... twice.

Also Sargeras owned Aman-thul WITHOUT gorsalach, while he fought all the other titans. At the time he was yet corrrupted and he couldn't used it.
 
Krenniko said:
If mannoroth is now 5-c, shouldn't Grom get an upgrade too? i mean, he oneshotted him... twice.
Also Sargeras owned Aman-thul WITHOUT gorsalach, while he fought all the other titans. At the time he was yet corrrupted and he couldn't used it.
True. However, maybe sargeras is actually trying to rebuild gor'shalach, which is why we haven't seen sargeras at azeroth yet.
 
Krenniko said:
If mannoroth is now 5-c, shouldn't Grom get an upgrade too? i mean, he oneshotted him... twice.
Also Sargeras owned Aman-thul WITHOUT gorsalach, while he fought all the other titans. At the time he was yet corrrupted and he couldn't used it.
I thought Sargeras was weaker with Gorsalach, is that not the case?

Edit: Grom's page has been upgraded as well, i couldn't justify him being comparable to Mannoroth without the Fel Blood enrage. Grom killing Mannoroth in Warlords is too much outlier for me. There's no way standard Grom is as powerful as Azshara was.
 
During the cronicles, sargeras split aggramar in 2 like nothing, while having a 4v1 against the other pantheon and winning during a war straight after. And if you're wonder, no..sargeras most likely used half of his power during that fight, if not..less.
 
Well, that's still 2-A, as i doubt he's infinitely stronger than he currently is.
 
True. However, due to the cronicles lore, and the fact that there are things in legion about their power, I think the void lords should be around 1-C or so forth. These beings came from shards left about after the light and void created the universe and existance itself, and while they live outside the universe, if they were able to enter it with UNLIMITED time, then it's litterally game over in the first second. In legion, it was stated that if N'zoth is able to sink inside of azeroth deep and long enough to the point as to where he can gain enough power, then he'd be one hell of a challenge against the legion. Sure, that might be pure hyperbole, but the pantheon took out y'sharrij like a twig while being EARLY into corruption, the more corruption one processes, the more powerful it becomes. And in legion, it was also stated that the void lords could deal with sargeras easily. Think of a human as the void lords while a random ant is sargeras. These beings can just send their old gods to spread corruption around the universe, corrupting worlds in a blink of an eye, while sargeras stabs them in terror, thinking that he's foiling them. However, in reality...the void lords are just playing an innocent game with sargeras as it seems. And also, the void lords can over-power dimensional powers. I mean, their lesser void walkers could most likely do that within a blink of an eye. And with that stated void titan who is said to over-power sargeras himself, actually being weaker than the void lords...make me question my WOW carrer. LOL
 
Preds43 said:
I think the void lords should be around 1-C or so forth
1-C is 12 Dimensional. Nothing in WC that we know of is 12D. The Void Lords are just a supremely higher category of High 2-A.
 
Actually, 1-C is 6- to 11-dimensional.
 
Aparajita said:
Edit: Grom's page has been upgraded as well, i couldn't justify him being comparable to Mannoroth without the Fel Blood enrage. Grom killing Mannoroth in Warlords is too much outlier for me. There's no way standard Grom is as powerful as Azshara was.
Grom was using Gorehowl, which isn't really a normal weapon.
 
ThisIsMySwagPack said:
Grom was using Gorehowl, which isn't really a normal weapon.
However, Gorehowl is, in no way, enough to bridge the gap between standard Warlord Grom and Queen Azshara.
 
Azshara is stronger than Mannoroth. He admitted that during the War of the Ancients and she has ben empowered by N'Zoth, so you can't compare her to Grom.
 
Since this topic seems to have been solved, I think that it is appropriate to close it.
 
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