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Thunder McQueen vs. Negative Man

I mean, Negative Man is suicidal, but he doesn't ever seem to act on his desire to kill himself, whereas McQueen does. McQueen has never encountered someone who is also suicidal, so what would he do if he were to meet someone who was also suicidal?
 
Hmm, my question is how exactly would Mr McQueen put em down. Negative Man doesn't really lead with anything, only a really weak punch but even then the chances of that happening seems relatively low. And I'm not entirely sure on this, but NM physiology is a bit weird... Like it's supposed to be a Worthless Protoplasm, would that change anything up?
 
Is McQueen really willing to kill himself over someone like Negative Man? IIrc, he wants to die with someone kind which he likes or even better, loves, not someone like Negative Man who he will dislike or hate.
 
You see, if that were true, he would have already been dead before Stone Ocean even happened, because he was even allowed out of his cell in the public. There's no doubt he would see at least someone and die for them to also die.
 
Madotsuki24 said:
You see, if that were true, he would have already been dead before Stone Ocean even happened, because he was even allowed out of his cell in the public. There's no doubt he would see at least someone and die for them to also die.
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But Thunder only got HtH after meeting Pucci. He couldn't get someone to die with him before he got the stand.

Although, yeah, I do think he cares about who he dies with, considering he only decided to die with Hermes after she interacted with him some.
 
TelescopeOperator said:
Madotsuki24 said:
You see, if that were true, he would have already been dead before Stone Ocean even happened, because he was even allowed out of his cell in the public. There's no doubt he would see at least someone and die for them to also die.
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But Thunder only got HtH after meeting Pucci. He couldn't get someone to die with him before he got the stand.
Although, yeah, I do think he cares about who he dies with, considering he only decided to die with Hermes after she interacted with him some.
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Yeah, that's what I was going to say... McQueen could have met anyone and they would die and he would die. Even when Hermes stopped him from killing himself twice and ran away, he still kept targetting her and not someone else.
 
McQueen would probably have had enough with Negative Man and walk away, leaving him, which is an actual way to win, so Negative Man wins? xD
 
Listentomyrhytm said:
McQueen just won't want to die with Negative Man and just goes away. Or tries to beat him up.
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Lmao, kill someone who is almost city level! xD

He wouldn't be able to do that and just walk away and then Negative Man wins because McQueen would have left the battlefield.
 
TheQuirkyBoy said:
I don't think beating up NM would matter considering he's a stonewall and all.
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He's way too durable. Depending on the location of the fight, is it possible for McQueen to drag Negative Man and throw him into water to drown? That would be a win for McQueen! xD
 
IIRC Negative Man rarely ever does anything, instead just sitting there while getting bombarded by the party's attacks. He does this even when he's about to die. So he might just not resist Thunder pushing him wherever he wants. It could work.
 
I mean, not really. His AP justification literally says he was able to hit Lucas, but only like about 1 HP. Problem is, he wouldn't lead with it right away, just rambling on about his personal issues.

And where would Thunder even "push" him to?
 
What do you mean? It doesn't say where the battle takes place, but water makes up 71% of the entire planet, I'm pretty sure Mcqueen could find a river or any type of pond with a lot of water and push Negative Man into it. We have no reason to believe that Negative Man doesn't need air to survive.
 
Madotsuki24 said:
Listentomyrhytm said:
McQueen just won't want to die with Negative Man and just goes away. Or tries to beat him up.
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Lmao, kill someone who is almost city level! xD
He wouldn't be able to do that and just walk away and then Negative Man wins because McQueen would have left the battlefield.
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I said try not that he will succeed.
 
Yeah, it's out of character cuz all we seen him do is try to kill himself, but this is a scenario where he doesn't want to die with someone.
 
Well, he wouldn't just not do nothing because then there wouldn't be a fight. What else would he do? Try answering that. There was one time where McQueen won because he didn't like who he encountered (Gotta Sweep) and that he would refuse to die with them over that. How would you know that it wouldn't be the same thing in this case?
 
> "There wouldn't be a fight"

These two are immensely depressed and one of them is just too depressed to even attack (though will eventually do so). I don't know what kind of fight you even want from there.

> "What else would he do? Try answering that."

Ok, well that tone wasn't really necessary... But regardless, whatever McQueen starts with. Definitely not throwing his opponent in a river... I mean, I'm sure he would view Negative Man as really worthy to die with.

> "There was one time where McQueen won because he didn't like who he encountered (Gotta Sweep) and that he would refuse to die with them over that. How would you know that it wouldn't be the same thing in this case?"

Because Gotta Sweep is an inanimate object...? He wouldn't find that worthy or reasonable to be killed with or killed by a gosh darn Broom that shouts a lot. I mean sure, Negative Man is not human, but he's fully sentient and shares similar feelings to that of McQueen.

This seems like a boring incon tbh
 
Going by your logic of "It's humanoid then he would find him worthy", McQueen would have killed himself with literally anybody that wasn't Hermes, since a prison is full of humans. We don't even know what he would find worthy to kill himself with.
 
I can imagine both of them interacting with each other and achieving their own desires via McQueen's stand.

Or something idk

But this seems like incon
 
Listentomyrhytm said:
Going by your logic of "It's humanoid then he would find him worthy", McQueen would have killed himself with literally anybody that wasn't Hermes, since a prison is full of humans. We don't even know what he would find worthy to kill himself with.
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I am so thankful that you agree with me! >W< This is a case where McQueen would win, since he wouldn't die for NM and NM can't do nearly enough damage to kill him, so the only outcome would be McQueen drowning NM or if it's in the Mother 3 world, throw him into lava. That's why I am now locking my vote on McQueen and I don't see the justifications on why McQueen doesn't win...
 
Thunder's stand suicide attempts started only once he lost his mind disc. After that, Hermes was the first to interact with him which caused him to get attached to her. If Negative Man starts narrating his troubles, Thunder will feel sympathy for him... and then kill himself.
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
Thunder's stand suicide attempts started only once he lost his mind disc. After that, Hermes was the first to interact with him which caused him to get attached to her. If Negative Man starts narrating his troubles, Thunder will feel sympathy for him... and then kill himself.
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Can you stop commenting on every single post I make? It seems like you're spying on me and following me, watching my every move and try and get McQueen to get an incon, even if there is more than seven votes of the other winning and not a single vote for McQueen. We do not need a McQueen wanker here, he can't get an incon every single time.
 
Wow what the heck. I go into the most recent related threads I see below (I'm on phone) and someone accuses me of stalking him/her.

Also, I can disagree with the established opinion without warranting being called a wanker. Which is reportable btw just so you know.
 
Tactical is right tho. If you watched the series you know that he is. So no, its not wank

And as I already said earlier, he'll kill himself anyway

Incon FRA
 
Oblivion Of The Endless said:
Tactical is right tho. If you watched the series you know that he is. So no, its not wank
And as I already said earlier, he'll kill himself anyway

Incon FRA
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How would you know that? How would you know that McQueen would want to die with Negative Man? Negative Man is an annoying thing who moans and yells all the time how he is so worthless and how he degrades himself which would make McQueen hate Negative Man. He doesn't want to die with someone like that, he wants to die with someone he likes. Everyone agrees with me on that and the reasons for McQueen winning are more solid, stronger and overall makes a better points than the reasons for an inconclusive. I guess he gets an inconclusive with Gotta Sweep then by your logic...
 
TheQuirkyBoy said:
Yeah agreed, if I haven't voted already or if it wasn't obvious
Incon FRA
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If you agree with them then you're wrong. I have the better arguments and it's just seemingly getting ignored. What about my points and explanations? I don't get the justification for an inconclusive...
 
Listentomyrhytm said:
I don't want to seem rude but... It seems like you're getting on a high horse rn. Please calm down and debate normally without calling the other wankers.
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Sorry... I f%@king hate it when I give so many points and explanations and I just get stonewalled and people treat me as me being invisible...
 
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