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Saiyan Saga Vegeta
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No BFR
who wins and why?
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Lord Boros vs Vegeta
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Saiyan Saga Vegeta
Speed Equalized
No BFR
who wins and why?
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I'd like to mention that if Boros manages to kick Vegeta to the moon like he did with Saitama using Meteoric Burst, it's game over since he can't survive in space. Also with similar attack, speed equalized and balanced durability, the regen gives an Edge to Boros.
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They're pretty equals. Lord Boros' final attack could have destroyed Earth, and Vegeta stated he would turn it into ashes.
So, speed equalized, I have to give it to Vegeta, because he has the Oozaru transformation, which Boros would know about.
So, speed equalized, I have to give it to Vegeta, because he has the Oozaru transformation, which Boros would know about.
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Vegeta.
While Boros is planetary from the guides, Vegeta casually busted a planet of unknown size on the way to earth. His Galick Gun multiplier (ki moves increase power level, which is shown with Goku vs Raditz), has him at slightly higher end Planet Level. Then there's the Oozaru form.
So gonna say Vegeta mid diff
While Boros is planetary from the guides, Vegeta casually busted a planet of unknown size on the way to earth. His Galick Gun multiplier (ki moves increase power level, which is shown with Goku vs Raditz), has him at slightly higher end Planet Level. Then there's the Oozaru form.
So gonna say Vegeta mid diff
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Boros doesn't care about not destroying a planet so and can breathe in space, so he can just leave the atmosphere and then blow the planet up, leaving vegeta to suffocate even if he does survive the explosion.
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Since when can Boros breathe in space?A Sword Dancer said:
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He was very clearly going to blow up the earth in his fight against saitama and didn't seem like he expected to die from the strategy.SuperKamiNappa said:
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What's vegeta going to do, follow him into space?KingIV said:
They start at the maximum range of either one due to standard battle assumptions with speed equalized so its not like vegeta can cut boros off from getting to space and occupy him in hand to hand to prevent this strategy.
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Same can be applied to Saiyan saga Vegeta,was going to blow up EARTH without any worry
That's different. In that case vegeta was aiming down at goku to force goku into a direct power battle since if goku dodged the attack could destroy the earth and he knew that goku was acting as the planets protector.
We already know that vegeta can't breathe in space, it's not something we have to guess about like with boros. Maybe he expected his spaceship to survie the attack or maybe he would have cancelled his beam attack if it looked like goku wasn't going to stand there and try to block it. We don't know. We do know that he can't breathe in space, that he took aim at goku with an attack that goku was forced into taking head on, and that when boros performed his beam attack he explicitly stated that he would be destroying saitama and the planet as if it wouldn't effect him personally to destroy the world.
That's different. In that case vegeta was aiming down at goku to force goku into a direct power battle since if goku dodged the attack could destroy the earth and he knew that goku was acting as the planets protector.
We already know that vegeta can't breathe in space, it's not something we have to guess about like with boros. Maybe he expected his spaceship to survie the attack or maybe he would have cancelled his beam attack if it looked like goku wasn't going to stand there and try to block it. We don't know. We do know that he can't breathe in space, that he took aim at goku with an attack that goku was forced into taking head on, and that when boros performed his beam attack he explicitly stated that he would be destroying saitama and the planet as if it wouldn't effect him personally to destroy the world.
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That's different. In that case vegeta was aiming down at goku to force goku into a direct power battle since if goku dodged the attack could destroy the earth and he knew that goku was acting as the planets protector.A Sword Dancer said:
We already know that vegeta can't breathe in space, it's not something we have to guess about like with boros. Maybe he expected his spaceship to survie the attack or maybe he would have cancelled his beam attack if it looked like goku wasn't going to stand there and try to block it. We don't know. We do know that he can't breathe in space, that he took aim at goku with an attack that goku was forced into taking head on, and that when boros performed his beam attack he explicitly stated that he would be destroying saitama and the planet as if it wouldn't effect him personally to destroy the world.
you are assuming too much
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That's your opinion.
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Close, but my guess is Boros. With speed equalized, as well as being implied to be able to breath or at least survive a long time in space, in addition to his Regenerationn, Boros should eventually take it but then again Vegeta has XJ striking strength, which is superior to ZJ, and these two fighters IIRC both prefer close combat, which is going to involve a lot of hand to hand.
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Sorry, but how does kicking Vegeta to space so he will die in a matter of seconds qualify as BFR? BFR is winning by removing the enemy from the battlefield so he can't come back and ending the battle at that. Not actually killing them by kicking them so hard they reach space. This here is way different.Sidali891 said:
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Right? Plus, if he was kicked into space anywhere else BUT the moon he wouldn't be able to get back and would suffocate. You would have to actually aim for the moon and have VERY good aim too. It only happened in OPM for dramatic effect and because its a comedy show. Saitama had to hold his breathe so he would also have died if he hadn't been specifically kicked right at the moon.FateAlbane said:
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Uhm, I'm pretty sure Oozaru form would have a harder time dealing with Boros' regen, seeing only the shockwave of Saitama's serious punch was able to stop it. He'd have to hit the right spot.
And doesn't Oozaru form fight in a more feral fashion? Contrary to a trained martial artist? Wouldn't this make it easier for Boros to counter?
And doesn't Oozaru form fight in a more feral fashion? Contrary to a trained martial artist? Wouldn't this make it easier for Boros to counter?
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Question time, why does 'kicking Vegeta into space' qualify as a win here? Couldn't he just hold his breath like Saitama and fly back? Vegeta is a good deal better than Boros in close combat(which would be needed to 'kick him into space') So, how in the hell does Boros win this? They are not bloodlusted, so he would fight just like he did against Saitama, meaning exclusively HtH combat. And this doesn't even take into account Oozaru form. Vegeta takes this Mid-Diff, maybe a little higher due to regen.FateAlbane said:
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Why the assumption that vegeta is better than boros at hand to hand?
Also boros did decide to blow up the plant vs saitama, then where is vegeta going to fly for air? Monkey form just makes it easier for boros to get into a position to launch a planet busting attack while vegeta dicks around on the ground.
Also boros is able to regenrate from being completely bloodsplattered as long as his little marble is safe, which survived his body gettting blown to pieces by a flurry of saitamas punches, so realistically vegeta will not be able to break the marble with random hand to hand combat against a reltiely equal opponant even if he knew what to look for. he would need to vaporize boros to potentially reveal the marble or destroy it without knowing about it, and to do that he would need to charge up his large beam attack and give boros the time to charge up his own in response. Vegeta is not just going to 'somehow' get past that durability, he needs to specifically find a way to do it or he'll just lose by attrition.
Also boros did decide to blow up the plant vs saitama, then where is vegeta going to fly for air? Monkey form just makes it easier for boros to get into a position to launch a planet busting attack while vegeta dicks around on the ground.
Also boros is able to regenrate from being completely bloodsplattered as long as his little marble is safe, which survived his body gettting blown to pieces by a flurry of saitamas punches, so realistically vegeta will not be able to break the marble with random hand to hand combat against a reltiely equal opponant even if he knew what to look for. he would need to vaporize boros to potentially reveal the marble or destroy it without knowing about it, and to do that he would need to charge up his large beam attack and give boros the time to charge up his own in response. Vegeta is not just going to 'somehow' get past that durability, he needs to specifically find a way to do it or he'll just lose by attrition.
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Because Vegeta is a fighting genius who has been literally bred for combat. He also has far more experience with beings stronger than himself.A Sword Dancer said:
Firstly, there is no BFR. But for sake of argument, why would Vegeta just let Boros blow up the planet? There would be a beam struggle, and Vegeta is an expert with energy attacks, while Boros only ever used it once during his fight with Saitama.
Yes, the regen would make it difficult, and I feel it is the only reason Boros has a decent chance here. However, Oozaru form with multiplies his strength ten fold would allow him to rip apart, and vaporize Boros with mouth beams.
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Giving it to he gets due to his Oozaru form. A 10x power boost should be more than enough to counter the Regenerationn. I also agree with other users here, He gets has more experience in beam combat, or at least, seemingly does.
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Vegeta takes this, he tanked a Planet Level+ Kaioken x4 Kamehameha and the Spirit Bomb, with the Galick Gun he can destroy the Earth, since speed is eqaul that doesn't really matter, also if it comes down to it Vegeta can become an Oozaru
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Equal speed and pretty much balanced stats. Now let's look at this.Formeraxe said:
1. Boros kicked an enemy admittedly stronger than him to the moon, I don't see what's stopping him from kicking an equal one to space. Or are you saying Vegeta will win this before getting hit even ONCE, even if Boros uses Meteoric Burst which improves all his stats for its duration? Meteoric Burst is pretty much Boros version of Kaio Ken. Yeah, that same move that sayian saga Vegeta couldn't handle.
2. Vegeta might die from the vacuum before he even gets back to the earth. If Boros just outright kicks him anywhere but the moon (which has way more chance of happening than actually kicking him straight to the satellite in question, by the way), I see Vegeta meeting his end before he has any chance to come back to earth. Not being able to deal with the vacuum in space has always been a major weakness for sayians. So much that it's mentioned as a problem even now that they reached SSB levels (Vegeta SSB dying because a weakened Frieza blew up the planet and he can't breathe in space).
3. So yeah. An SSB Vegeta at the peak of his power against G. Frieza who was way weaker than him at that point and had practically no energy left... And Vegeta still managed to give him enough time to blow up the planet. Like you just said, neither Sayian Saga Vegeta nor Boros are bloodlusted. That's more of a problem for Vegeta than Boros. In character, the chances of the prince of sayians get screwed because of his own pride only add to Boros advantages.
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And no, Vegeta is not more experienced than Boros at hand to hand combat, that's pure assumption. Just like Vegeta went around taking over planets for Frieza, Boros also went around the universe defeating people and leaving a trail of destruction on his wake.
Now, about Great Oozaru.
It takes a ton of prep time, unless we're going to put the entire battlefield in Vegeta's favor and say that he and Boros are fighting already at night, in a day with a full moon in the sky from the beginning.
No night and no full moon already? Right. Vegeta will have to make a sphere of his energy to create an artificial moon, like he did against Goku. That sphere will waste A TON of his energy, leaving him weakened. Then, he will need even more time to launch the sphere into the sky, for the moon to form and some more secs to finish his transformation.
Now, let me return a question that was made against Boros:
During all this time, will Boros just stand there, doing nothing? Sounds more like the sort of thing Vegeta would do because... We're talking about the guy who let Cell reach his perfect form just because he was overconfident. Like I said, being in character is more of a problem for Vegeta.
And. Vegeta's energy is not infinite. Keep that in mind because he will need to hit Boros quite a lot of times before getting trough that regen... Unless the other fighter is clearly superior, enemies with regen are always another major problem in DBZ because usually the energy their enemies can use ends up spent before the character with Regenerationn actually goes down.
Now, about Great Oozaru.
It takes a ton of prep time, unless we're going to put the entire battlefield in Vegeta's favor and say that he and Boros are fighting already at night, in a day with a full moon in the sky from the beginning.
No night and no full moon already? Right. Vegeta will have to make a sphere of his energy to create an artificial moon, like he did against Goku. That sphere will waste A TON of his energy, leaving him weakened. Then, he will need even more time to launch the sphere into the sky, for the moon to form and some more secs to finish his transformation.
Now, let me return a question that was made against Boros:
During all this time, will Boros just stand there, doing nothing? Sounds more like the sort of thing Vegeta would do because... We're talking about the guy who let Cell reach his perfect form just because he was overconfident. Like I said, being in character is more of a problem for Vegeta.
And. Vegeta's energy is not infinite. Keep that in mind because he will need to hit Boros quite a lot of times before getting trough that regen... Unless the other fighter is clearly superior, enemies with regen are always another major problem in DBZ because usually the energy their enemies can use ends up spent before the character with Regenerationn actually goes down.
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I'm just quoting this one because, again, blowing up the planet with an attack...Formeraxe said:
Is. Not. BFR.
Battlefield Removal is winning by taking your opponent out and away from the battlefield, where he survives but can't come back to the place where both characters are fighting and then is forced to lose by more or less of a WO sort of thing.
Kicking someone of equal level to space while you're trying to kill them and making they die there suffocated as a consequence? No BFR. You won by killing your opponent.
Blowing up the planet to kill your opponent? No BFR. You're both close to each other and can resume fighting IF you both survive. If your opponent died in the process of the planet blowing up, then it's your win.
BFR is winning by removing the enemy from the battlefield in such a way that the enemy still COULD fight if he came back to where the character doing the BFR is, but he can't.
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1. Saitama was toying with Boros. Also, we know nothing about Boros's HtH combat skills other than the fight with Saitama, and that he conquered many planets. Vegeta has been fighting small planet level beings since he was a child (saibamen) and has been fighting beings stronger than himself since. With this knowledge, and lack thereof of Boros, it's safe to say Vegeta is superior in HtH combat. Also, his profile takes metoric burst into consideration.FateAlbane said:
2. Vegeta could easily make his way back from space. And it was only a problem for Vegeta, because he doesn't have instant transmission. And why can't Vegeta do the same to Boros? He has much higher striking strength.
3. This was an outlier, since we have seen plenty to the contrary. And even if it wasn't, the amount of strength needed for a multi-galaxy level character(Frieza) to destroy a planet is so small, that he just did instantaneously, Boros can't do that.
He let Cell transform in the Cell saga when Vegeta felt he has something to prove. In the Saiyan saga, he went all out on Goku, and even went to destroy the planet after Goku started winning.
The Oozaru transformation doesn't take much time at all to use.
http://www.***********.net/dragon-ball/232/2
Look through the next couple pages, he can make the orb instantly.
On Vegeta's energy. Vegeta's stamina is actually better than Boros. In Saiyan saga, he fought an equal adversary, then was partially blinded and then maimed. Then he fought both Krillin and Gohan when he was weakened, was hit by a spirit bomb, and still got up! He then had Gohan fall on him in his Oozaru form, and still had enough strength after all that to flee.
BFR has been quite nebulous on this site I've noticed. Some say just removing or moving someone out of the established fighting area is BFR, while others like yourself, say that doesn't qualify. Either way it doesn't matter, because Vegeta could fly back.
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Vegeta can't get bfr when he flys out he will stop his movement quickly before he even reaches clouds he has full control over his flight can stop it when he wants when ever he wants and won't get bfr the reason Saitama couldn't do it well was becuase he couldn't fly let alone have full control of flight. Also what makes you think vegeta won't make the same mistake again after that. Also formeraxe he said that vegeta gave frieza enough time to blow of the earth and let space (no air) kill vegeta not that the blast kill vegeta at all it was just space (no air) that killed him. He is also saying vegeta would do the same and Boros would destroy the planet and let space (no air) kill him
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1. Case in point: Saitama toying with Boros is at the very least equal to the Vegeta being used in this thread and Boros was keeping up with him. Vegeta in this match = Saitama at least. Boros kept up with said Saitama and kicked him to the moon. And no, it's still just assumptions because both have pretty much the same background. If Boros went around the universe, we know for sure he went against a ton of opponents as well. And Boros fighting style is HtH in most of his techniques, so he has more than enough experience to cancel out this supposed advantage in Hand to hand skills. They're pretty much equal when it comes to this.
2. Vegeta can't do the same to Boros because he never did it to anyone, while Meteoric Burst combo literally ends with a kick to launch the enemy into space. And I wouldn't be so sure about him coming back in time before dying unless he actually landed on the moon like Saitama.
3. Point taken on Frieza blowing up the Earth faster. But that's the sort of thing that always happens to Vegeta because he lets it happen. It was a situation where he was in front of the enemy who killed his entire race, at his mercy, yet he took so long messing with him rather than outright finishing him off that this happened. Frieza only had the chance in the first place because Vegeta gave it to him.
And Vegeta's arrogance has been his downfall more than once.
And the scans just prove my point, actually.
He created the orb instantly (after gloating for a while and explaining stuff, but okay, I'll assume he won't try that here)... Then he left the orb in hand to gloat a little more.
Goku still just looking, maybe due to being exhausted.
Vegeta then launches the orb. And actually has to keep his attention to the orb and then make it explode. Vegeta himself mentions before using it that he'll lose more energy by creating the moon. Some more secs for the orb to "burst and mix" and become a moon. More secs for Vegeta to finish his transformation into a great ape... Goku, again, standing there, looking.
I really doubt Boros would stay there looking until the end of it all, like Goku did.
Yeah, Vegeta has a lot of stamina, but he wasn't in peak condition trough it all. Here's where Boros regen will be a problem, again. Boros can and will fight in top condition from beginning to end. Vegeta will sustain damage and lose energy as he fights. Saitama had the same stats as Boros, but because he was actually way stronger, Boros hits weren't hurting him for real.
In this match, things are different. Whenever he hits Vegeta, he's gonna feel it. Same goes for Vegeta, but Boros will keep regenerating for a while while Vegeta will have lasting consequences from the beginning.
2. Vegeta can't do the same to Boros because he never did it to anyone, while Meteoric Burst combo literally ends with a kick to launch the enemy into space. And I wouldn't be so sure about him coming back in time before dying unless he actually landed on the moon like Saitama.
3. Point taken on Frieza blowing up the Earth faster. But that's the sort of thing that always happens to Vegeta because he lets it happen. It was a situation where he was in front of the enemy who killed his entire race, at his mercy, yet he took so long messing with him rather than outright finishing him off that this happened. Frieza only had the chance in the first place because Vegeta gave it to him.
And Vegeta's arrogance has been his downfall more than once.
And the scans just prove my point, actually.
He created the orb instantly (after gloating for a while and explaining stuff, but okay, I'll assume he won't try that here)... Then he left the orb in hand to gloat a little more.
Goku still just looking, maybe due to being exhausted.
Vegeta then launches the orb. And actually has to keep his attention to the orb and then make it explode. Vegeta himself mentions before using it that he'll lose more energy by creating the moon. Some more secs for the orb to "burst and mix" and become a moon. More secs for Vegeta to finish his transformation into a great ape... Goku, again, standing there, looking.
I really doubt Boros would stay there looking until the end of it all, like Goku did.
Yeah, Vegeta has a lot of stamina, but he wasn't in peak condition trough it all. Here's where Boros regen will be a problem, again. Boros can and will fight in top condition from beginning to end. Vegeta will sustain damage and lose energy as he fights. Saitama had the same stats as Boros, but because he was actually way stronger, Boros hits weren't hurting him for real.
In this match, things are different. Whenever he hits Vegeta, he's gonna feel it. Same goes for Vegeta, but Boros will keep regenerating for a while while Vegeta will have lasting consequences from the beginning.
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So Boros kicks Vegeta to space then what . . .
That would actually make it easier for him to transform.And he can just do what Saitama did but much easier and fly back to earth.
Saitama has never learned any fighting techniques in his life yet was a match for Boros so tell me how someone with 0 knowledge of fighting techniques can match this supposed god of martial artes while Vegeta could match Goku how had learned fighting techniques from actual gods.
Boros has never been shown how he would survive in space and it was never explixitly told so you can't asume that, it's not my opinion it's how the site works,if it werent the case Saitama would have infinite AP since it's inplied he has no limite to his power.
Vegeta already beats Boros in every stat without Oozaru and he sure as hell won't let Boros destroy the planet, not that Boros would even want to since he prefers a good fight over a win as proven by his fight with Saitama.
9-Vegeta(with me) 4-Boros there are enough votes to add this I will request it tommorow morning if no one else has already.
That would actually make it easier for him to transform.And he can just do what Saitama did but much easier and fly back to earth.
Saitama has never learned any fighting techniques in his life yet was a match for Boros so tell me how someone with 0 knowledge of fighting techniques can match this supposed god of martial artes while Vegeta could match Goku how had learned fighting techniques from actual gods.
Boros has never been shown how he would survive in space and it was never explixitly told so you can't asume that, it's not my opinion it's how the site works,if it werent the case Saitama would have infinite AP since it's inplied he has no limite to his power.
Vegeta already beats Boros in every stat without Oozaru and he sure as hell won't let Boros destroy the planet, not that Boros would even want to since he prefers a good fight over a win as proven by his fight with Saitama.
9-Vegeta(with me) 4-Boros there are enough votes to add this I will request it tommorow morning if no one else has already.
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Fate you do realize that vegeta who was still a bit stronger then Gohan tried to stop the great ape form by punching Gohan as hard as possibly but Gohan still turned into a ape I could just see the same thing happening but instead it's Boros trying it on vegeta. Also vegeta could charge the orb while dodging all of Boros attacks not just stand their then launch it then well the thing stated in the above sentence will happen.
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Transforming in space would actually make it easier for him to die there since he would have to wait for the duration of the transformation before even trying to fly back. Well, Vegeta was never shown coming back from space either.
Vegeta could easily match Goku at first because he was superior to base Goku in power, speed and durability. As soon as Goku started using Kaio-Ken and compensated for that difference, Vegeta was owned time after time and couldn't land a hit on him.
Also, what do you mean by Vegeta beating him stat-wise? They're evenly matched in speed(for this match), durability and AP, I don't see what you're implying. And Boros was ready to blow up the planet in his fight against Saitama and actually kicked him into space before even trying to do that.
I won't argue on how long he could survive in the vacuum, because indeed we have no feats, but we know one thing for sure: He'll survive much longer than Vegeta due to Regenerationn. That is a fact.
And Vegeta didn't outright use Oozaru either. His pride getting in the way yet again, because he only used it (somewhat against his will) when he realized he couldn't beat Goku in his normal form, hence the reason he was so pissed. Not to mention how long he spent toying with Goku rather than outright killing him... As he always does.
Vegeta could easily match Goku at first because he was superior to base Goku in power, speed and durability. As soon as Goku started using Kaio-Ken and compensated for that difference, Vegeta was owned time after time and couldn't land a hit on him.
Also, what do you mean by Vegeta beating him stat-wise? They're evenly matched in speed(for this match), durability and AP, I don't see what you're implying. And Boros was ready to blow up the planet in his fight against Saitama and actually kicked him into space before even trying to do that.
I won't argue on how long he could survive in the vacuum, because indeed we have no feats, but we know one thing for sure: He'll survive much longer than Vegeta due to Regenerationn. That is a fact.
And Vegeta didn't outright use Oozaru either. His pride getting in the way yet again, because he only used it (somewhat against his will) when he realized he couldn't beat Goku in his normal form, hence the reason he was so pissed. Not to mention how long he spent toying with Goku rather than outright killing him... As he always does.
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The problem here is that they have speed equalized. If Vegeta makes the action of creating the orb and then launching it, Boros has enough time to attack Vegeta while he's doing that. Boros might use the chance to kick him to space or blow up the planet in turn.
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Base Goku is border line Planet level mate with Kaio ken he is x2 or x3 with thae latter being Vegeta's Level
Boros is base planet level since thats all we were given.
Vegeta just needs to see the moon dude it's not like he can't move afterwards.
Even if Vegeta could only survive in space for something miniscule like a second, it's nothing for being who are Sub-Rel, also go look at bardock and kid goku both survived in space for a long while.
He toyed with Goku because he was a low class saiyan and was better then him, how do think he'll react if he finds out Boros is the same as Frieza (personality wise) and since Boros is quite the talker it's a pretty high chance he will.Or even Nappa someone he cared nothing for much like a fight like this.
Again Boros prefers a fight then a win this was EXTREAMLY obvious from his fight with Saitama, he won't destroy the earth because Vegeta can give him the thing he wants most in the universe a fight.
Boros is base planet level since thats all we were given.
Vegeta just needs to see the moon dude it's not like he can't move afterwards.
Even if Vegeta could only survive in space for something miniscule like a second, it's nothing for being who are Sub-Rel, also go look at bardock and kid goku both survived in space for a long while.
He toyed with Goku because he was a low class saiyan and was better then him, how do think he'll react if he finds out Boros is the same as Frieza (personality wise) and since Boros is quite the talker it's a pretty high chance he will.Or even Nappa someone he cared nothing for much like a fight like this.
Again Boros prefers a fight then a win this was EXTREAMLY obvious from his fight with Saitama, he won't destroy the earth because Vegeta can give him the thing he wants most in the universe a fight.
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Boros was getting that fight he wanted from saitama and still tried to win by kicking him into space and trying to blow up the planet.
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