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Athena (Saint Seiya) vs Sailor Moon
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Both at full power, Speed equalized
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They seem pretty similar statwise, but sailor moon is faster, I say SM wins by blitz.
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Even if Immeasurable goes away, theres nothing on the pages that states that athenas MFTL+ is higher than Sm's MFTL+ so you'll need to come back with some calcs or something if you want to claim that.Tivanenk said:
If you don't agree with the acausality on the profile then argue that in another thread and come back if you get it removed.
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How fast are sailor moon characters in terms of actual numbers in mftl+?
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The profiles is riddled with errors by a user who left this site already, so I actually need to see proof for acausality, instead of relying on the profile, because the same user put it on as the one who said "immeasurable speed because her power source is spread out throughout the universe".A Sword Dancer said:
Also, Athena has a higher MFTL+, in the septillions c at least. Which is the highest speed ever calced in anime/manga by quite a lot.
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Wasn't the most recent SM respect thread not that long ago?Tivanenk said:
Besides, I'm going to need links to some calcs if we're going to be ignoring the profiles completely.
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It didn't fix everything. In fact, things are still kinda chaotic (like the godly regen which doesn't even apply to SM herself, but rather the Galaxy Cauldron)
And here's speed (not that it's needed since it's equalized): http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blo...ng-he-cant-cut-episode-g-assassination.35641/
And here's speed (not that it's needed since it's equalized): http://www.narutoforums.com/xfa-blo...ng-he-cant-cut-episode-g-assassination.35641/
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Odd I could have sworn it wasn't equalized before. Maybe i'm just tired.Tivanenk said:
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Nobody is getting blitzed with speed equalized.Victor2 said:
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Sm has a lot of hax of her own, as well as resistance to those hax and the ability to regenertate from nothing.Tivanenk said:
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That "regenerate from nothing" is very verse specific and is not applicable to battle since she doesn't have the Galaxy Cauldron in this fight. In fact, that thing isn't very battle specific in the first place, since you need time to regenerate so it's effectively a self-BFR.A Sword Dancer said:
Her hax is nothing that will phase Athena from the get go, before she gets pierced by the staff, which will kill her.
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So far all I'm seeing is a trend of you dismissing SM's profile and assuming things like 'shes gonna get pierced by the staff'.
With speed equalized, why is it such a foregone conclusion to you that SM is going to take such a hit without being able to fight back at all.
With speed equalized, why is it such a foregone conclusion to you that SM is going to take such a hit without being able to fight back at all.
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I am just watching this debate as i think both characters are fairly haxed which is why i equalized speed so it would be determined by their abilities, i think what tivanenk is saying is that athena wins because of the staff of nike well because he knows what it does here is the page of it , basically the staff of nike is pretty op, it can bypass durabilty and it has ridiculous probability manipulation. I don't have any thoughts on who wins though cause my knowledge on sailor moon is lacking.
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I have read both manga. Though my knowledge on SM is shakier, I at least know it decently well. SM doesn't have anything to oneshot her with, period. SM will need to grind down Athena. That is made super hard when Athena already manipulates probability, so the chances of SM winning become increasingly lower (think of Simon and his drills). Add that the Staff which she one shotted Hades with, who has better regen and immortality than SM, barring the GC which is inapplicable in this match since it's not a part of SM and the battle isn't taking place in her verse, then the result becomes fairly clear cut.
Though, unlike Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon can actually give SS a match instead of a stomp.
Though, unlike Dragon Ball, Sailor Moon can actually give SS a match instead of a stomp.
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Athena wins with Mid-Difficulty due to the reasons Tivanenk has given.
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And i thought this might be a decent match i guess sailor moon isn't as broken as i thought or more like athena is just that more broken lol.
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Russia has spoken.DarkLK said:
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Isn't a 0 difficulty win the definition of a stomp? Or am I missing something here.DarkLK said:
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Athena wins this. Her Aegis Shield can repel, block or neutralize enemy attacks aswell. Just the light radiating from the Shield can force enemies back or to the ground. She also has the divine cloth that can protect her aswell
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Naming things one character can do in a list isn't helpful when you don't mention why the other character can't deal with them. Otherwise I could say 'but muh sailor moon has the tiara which transmute things to dust' and win any argument, which would of course be silly.Dunamis&Ichor said:
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Athena for the aforementioned reasons.
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So far it's
Athena: 6 (Counting myself and DarkLK
Sailor Moon: 1
Athena: 6 (Counting myself and DarkLK
Sailor Moon: 1
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Athena due to probability manipulation
They have the same techs however and athena is immune to most of her Arsenal by virtue of acausality.
Speed is equal.
They have the same techs however and athena is immune to most of her Arsenal by virtue of acausality.
Speed is equal.
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Well then i will also give it to athena due to probability manipulation and durability negation beacuse of the staff of nike.
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Oh whoops, I forgot, there is Probability Manipulation with Athena, yeah she wins
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Athena also has her divine seals which she uses to seal off souls or physical bodies of armies in places and artifacts. She has been doing that for centuries.
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Really not seeing how the staff of nike is going to ever touch her. Speed is equalized and sailor moon is a ranged type fighter not a melee brawler. She's just going to fly away and spam attacks or something, she's never going to attempt to go 'blow for blow'.QPower said:
Standard battle assumptions put characters at the max range of the farthest range character at the start. With speed equal and omnidirectional flight involved, you're never going to chase someone down who is determined to stay at a range.
Even if SM loses, this isn't going to be decided by melee attacks.
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Probability Manipulation won't work on Sailor Moon. Queen Nehellnia has curse powers that reality warp the outcomes of the future. In the past she cursed the SIlver Millenium to fall and the princess to die and they did. In the present, she cursed Sailor Moon and Tuxedo Kamen to die and they were able to overide her curse power to defeat her.
Also, Sailor Moon can travel outside of time, and attack Athena. She can literally send her power to attack her from the past, future, and present. (In the second arc, Sailor Moon's powers wouldn't work in the future, because her crystal was form the past, so Neo Queen Serenity gave her a helping hand she was able to channel her power from the past into the future by cutting across time and space. And this very feat disrupted all of spacetime.
Also, Sailor Moon can travel outside of time, and attack Athena. She can literally send her power to attack her from the past, future, and present. (In the second arc, Sailor Moon's powers wouldn't work in the future, because her crystal was form the past, so Neo Queen Serenity gave her a helping hand she was able to channel her power from the past into the future by cutting across time and space. And this very feat disrupted all of spacetime.
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